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  • Dog
    aka jnes12/JNes__
    • Aug 2008
    • 11846
    #31
    Re: NL MVP Race

    Originally posted by kayfngee
    I wasn't talking about Albert Pujols. Votto is better. Switch teams and Votto would have ridiculous numbers.
    There is absolutely no way you could ever prove that
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      • kayfngee
        Pro
        • Jul 2003
        • 794
        #32
        Re: NL MVP Race

        Originally posted by JNes12
        There is absolutely no way you could ever prove that
        You're right. I can't prove it.I can look at their stats with runners on base and runners in scoring position and say that Votto has been more productive given his number of opportunities than Fielder.

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          • Marino
            Moderator
            • Jan 2008
            • 18113
            #33
            Re: NL MVP Race

            1. Kemp
            2. Braun
            3. Upton
            4. Fielder

            I am a homer though.

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              • kayfngee
                Pro
                • Jul 2003
                • 794
                #34
                Re: NL MVP Race

                Originally posted by Marino
                1. Kemp
                2. Braun
                3. Upton
                4. Fielder

                I am a homer though.
                I like Kemp a lot. I think he has had an outstanding all around year. But I think Braun is having a better season and without him, Fielder doesn't get nearly as many opportunities to drive in his runs.

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                  • goh
                    Banned
                    • Aug 2003
                    • 20755
                    #35
                    Re: NL MVP Race

                    Originally posted by JNes12
                    So wouldn't you agree that a really good player on a bad team is more valuable to his team than a really good player on a good team?
                    Well where's the value? They're in the same place without them as they are with them.

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                      • Sandman42
                        Hall Of Fame
                        • Aug 2004
                        • 15186
                        #36
                        Re: NL MVP Race

                        Originally posted by goh
                        Well where's the value? They're in the same place without them as they are with them.
                        Actually they are a much worse team without him than they are with him. Not that players fault that the rest of his team is not good.
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                          • lonewolf371
                            MVP
                            • Aug 2009
                            • 3420
                            #37
                            Re: NL MVP Race

                            Originally posted by kayfngee
                            You're right. I can't prove it.I can look at their stats with runners on base and runners in scoring position and say that Votto has been more productive given his number of opportunities than Fielder.
                            RISP isn't a very stable stat. I think it's overrated. Nonetheless, I agree that Votto would probably look better than Fielder if he were on the Brewers, but like the other guy said there's no way to prove that.
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                              • kayfngee
                                Pro
                                • Jul 2003
                                • 794
                                #38
                                Re: NL MVP Race

                                Originally posted by lonewolf371
                                RISP isn't a very stable stat. I think it's overrated. Nonetheless, I agree that Votto would probably look better than Fielder if he were on the Brewers, but like the other guy said there's no way to prove that.
                                I was referencing the fact that Fielder has had about 60 more people on base when he comes up with over half of them in scoring position, not just that Votto is hitting well over .400 with RISP. It's easier to drive in runs when people are on base for you.

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                                  • Kruza
                                    Mainstream Outlaw
                                    • Jul 2002
                                    • 6285
                                    #39
                                    Re: NL MVP Race

                                    I understand and respect the arguments for selecting either Ryan Braun or Prince Fielder (Justin Upton is a somewhat distant fourth in my book). But if I had a vote to cast in this race I would choose Matt Kemp. This guy is pretty much having a special season and is also doing a lot of his damage with little to no protection around him in the lineup.

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                                      • jth1331
                                        MVP
                                        • Aug 2003
                                        • 1060
                                        #40
                                        Re: NL MVP Race

                                        I like Kemp a lot this year. He's been basically the only Dodger hitter that has produced this year and he's putting up fantastic numbers.
                                        5th in average, 6th in OBP, 2nd in slugging, 2nd in RBI's with a horrid lineup. Then, if you want to play the WAR game, he leads the NL in that category, showing he is most valuable player in the league.
                                        If not Kemp, then I'd go with Braun.
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                                        2. Braun
                                        3. Votto
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                                        5. Victorino
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                                          • goh
                                            Banned
                                            • Aug 2003
                                            • 20755
                                            #41
                                            Re: NL MVP Race

                                            Originally posted by Sandman42
                                            Actually they are a much worse team without him than they are with him. Not that players fault that the rest of his team is not good.
                                            But they're still a bad team,in last or 2nd last and the owner is still broke. Hell that team literally has no value.

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                                              • snepp
                                                We'll waste him too.
                                                • Apr 2003
                                                • 10007
                                                #42
                                                Re: NL MVP Race

                                                Originally posted by goh
                                                But they're still a bad team,in last or 2nd last and the owner is still broke. Hell that team literally has no value.

                                                I didn't realize it was a team award.
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                                                  • kayfngee
                                                    Pro
                                                    • Jul 2003
                                                    • 794
                                                    #43
                                                    Re: NL MVP Race

                                                    Originally posted by snepp
                                                    I didn't realize it was a team award.
                                                    It isn't a team award even though evreybody wants to make it one.

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                                                      • Reaman
                                                        MVP
                                                        • Jun 2009
                                                        • 2917
                                                        #44
                                                        Re: NL MVP Race

                                                        Matt Kemp or riot.

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                                                          • goh
                                                            Banned
                                                            • Aug 2003
                                                            • 20755
                                                            #45
                                                            Re: NL MVP Race

                                                            Originally posted by snepp
                                                            I didn't realize it was a team award.
                                                            Most valuable player to the team.
                                                            Not best player in the league.
                                                            The player that is most valuable to their team.
                                                            Giving it to a player on a bad team is like a Wii game getting an overall best graphics award because it's the best looking game on the Wii.

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