MVP/CY/ROY Talk

[Sportsforever]

The Derek Jeter thread was heading toward MVP talk so I started a new thread just for that. Tom Verducci's column is saying the exact same thing I said in that thread:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/tom_verducci/09/25/miguel-cabrera-triple-crown/index.html?eref=sihp

I do hope Cabby gets the Triple Crown, but it shouldn't get him the MVP.

[Chip Douglass]

Re: MVP/CY/ROY Talk

To make it easier for everyone, I'll divide this post into "who should win" and "who will win" categories.

Who should win:

AL MVP: Trout in a 1984 Reagan landslide.
NL MVP: Many plausible candidates here, I'll go with Braun however.

AL Cy Young: Verlander
NL Cy Young: Gonzalez; however, just like the NL MVP race, you could go a number of different ways here.

AL ROTY: Trout
NL ROTY: Miley

Who will win:

AL MVP: Cabrera (Triple Crown!!!!)
NL MVP: Posey. Basically one thing separates him from the other contenders - his team is going to the playoffs. And the voters will do everything in their power not to give it to Braun.

AL Cy Young: Price. Glancing at recent voting totals, it appears that the writers have traded wins for ERA as the main determiner of Cy Youngs. Price is the MLB ERA leader and thus lands here.
NL Cy Young: Gonzalez. Only pitcher with 20+ wins, plays on the best team in the NL, and has 200+ strikeouts with a sub 3.00 ERA.

AL ROTY: Trout
NL ROTY: Harper

[SPTO]

Re: MVP/CY/ROY Talk

MVP

AL: Cabrera
NL: Not sure....Posey maybe?

Cy Young

AL: Price
NL: Gonzalez

ROTY

AL: Trout
NL: Harper

Manager

AL: Bob Melvin
NL: Davey Johnson

[DrJones]

Re: MVP/CY/ROY Talk

Manager

AL: Bob Melvin

That ain't happening.

[SPTO]

Re: MVP/CY/ROY Talk

That ain't happening.

I know it'll probably be Buck Showalter.

[BleacherBum2310]

Re: MVP/CY/ROY Talk

MVP

AL: Trout by alot
NL: Braun

CY Young

AL: Verlander
NL: Gonzalez

ROTY

AL: Trout
NL: Miley

Manager

AL: Buck Showalter
NL: Baker (Shocking I know)

[55]

Re: MVP/CY/ROY Talk

Who should win:

AL MVP: Mike Trout
NL MVP: Ryan Braun

AL CYA: Justin Verlander
NL CYA: Gio Gonzalez

AL RotY: Mike Trout
NL RotY: Wade Miley

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Who will win:

AL MVP: Miguel Cabrera
NL MVP: Buster Posey

AL CYA: David Price
NL CYA: R.A. Dickey

AL RotY: Mike Trout
NL RotY: Bryce Harper

[Kearnzo]

Re: MVP/CY/ROY Talk

Is there anything specific making you guys lean to Gio over Dickey? I see the extra win and slightly higher K/9, but other than that, I'd give it to Dickey. Lower WHIP, better K/BB. Just curious.

I have no dog in the fight, and I expect Gio to win because his team is going to the playoffs, but I feel like Dickey should win.

[TheMatrix31]

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http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article****p?ymd=20120923&content_id=38895636&vkey=perspectives&fext=****p&c_id=mlb

Not sure this is my stance, but it's a compelling argument either way.

(replace the asterisks in the URL with "period j s", but an actual period, not the word)

[p_rushing]

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NY CYA should be Kimbrel. He is having the best season of any reliever, ever. Look at the numbers in this article. With there not being clear cut leader, Kimbrel should win it.

http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/8404780/there-no-pitcher-better-craig-kimbrel-national-league

Strikeouts: 105 in 57 1/3 IP, the best strikeout ratio ever (16.5/9 IP)
Opponent AVG.: .128, the lowest against any pitcher since 1900
Opponent OPS: .368, the lowest against any pitcher in the expansion era
WHIP: 0.68, best by any National League reliever since 1900
Percentage of hitters struck out: 49.5 pct., best in live-ball era
Strikeout-to-hit ratio: 105 whiffs, 25 hits (4.2), best of all time

[55]

Re: MVP/CY/ROY Talk

Kimbrel hasn't even been the best reliever in baseball this year.

Rodney has a higher WAR and a much better ERA+

[kehlis]

Re: MVP/CY/ROY Talk

That ain't happening.

Why not?

Both Melvin and Showalter have had improbable seasons. If the A's find a way to finish as the 4th playoff team (and by that I mean beating Baltimore or whoever) why wouldn't he win it.

The A's have been ravished by injuries and in particular at pitching.

[WinMINTwins]

Re: MVP/CY/ROY Talk

In a delusional world:
AL MVP: Mauer
NL MVP: Holliday

AL Cy Young: Matt Harrison
NL Cy Young: Dickey

AL ROY: Trout... With Scott Diamond in 2nd by a single vote.
NL ROY: Rizzo

In a fair world:
AL MVP: Trout
NL MVP: Braun

AL Cy Young: Felix
NL Cy Young: Gio

AL ROY: Trout
NL ROY: Miley

In a realistic world:
AL MVP: Cabrera
NL MVP: Braun or Posey

AL Cy Young: Price
NL Cy Young: Am I allowed to have absolutely no idea?

AL ROY: Trout
NL ROY: Harper

[DrJones]

Re: MVP/CY/ROY Talk

Why not? Both Melvin and Showalter have had improbable seasons.

1. Oakland's season has been less improbable than Baltimore's. The A's actually haven't been that bad the last couple seasons. The Orioles' extreme record in one-run and extra inning games will be attributed in large degree (rightly or wrongly) to Showalter.

2. The A's (and Melvin's work) have received a fraction of the media attention that the O's and Showalter have (insert East Coast bias comments here). Considering these tend to be the same people who vote on Manager of the Year awards, it's safe to say Buck is a lock.

If the A's find a way to finish as the 4th playoff team (and by that I mean beating Baltimore or whoever) why wouldn't he win it.

The 4th/5th place game is a postseason game, so it doesn't matter if the A's win that game or not, as voting on AL Manager of the Year will take place before then. I suppose if Oakland overtakes Texas to win the AL West, Melvin could win, but I doubt that happens.

[kehlis]

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1. Oakland's season has been less improbable than Baltimore's. The A's actually haven't been that bad the last couple seasons. The Orioles' extreme record in one-run and extra inning games will be attributed in large degree (rightly or wrongly) to Showalter.

2. The A's (and Melvin's work) have received a fraction of the media attention that the O's and Showalter have (insert East Coast bias comments here). Considering these tend to be the same people who vote on Manager of the Year awards, it's safe to say Buck is a lock.



The 4th/5th place game is a postseason game, so it doesn't matter if the A's win that game or not, as voting on AL Manager of the Year will take place before then. I suppose if Oakland overtakes Texas to win the AL West, Melvin could win, but I doubt that happens.

I don't disagree with anything here and I guess maybe I misunderstood your posts as "He shouldn't win" against "He won't win."


I view it as basically a head to head with two managers who had similar expectations going into the season.

Even as an A's fan, I'm fully behind Showalter winning because he has done a phenomenal job so I won't argue. I just misunderstood your point of view.