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  • SportsorDeath
    MVP
    • Jul 2002
    • 2870

    #91
    Re: NL East

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    willdtarheeler said:
    Mike Pizza, who's that ? JK


    About the Marlins though, imagine how good that rotation would have been had they kept Dempster and Clement. It would Burnett, Beckett, Penny, Dempster, and Clement. The D-Train would either be in the bullpen or back in the minors. I think Dontrelle will have a tough go of it this year. At the end of last year, after all the hitters had seen him once or twice before, they knew what to expect and had figured him out. The same should be true this year, he is not an ace type pitcher that you want to build a staff around, but he was a good fire starter last year getting em going in the middle of the year.

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    I agree with Sully, Dempster sucks. He had one good season and one halfway decent one. Other than that, he has shown nothing at all.

    As for Willis, I have to disagree with you. He definitely did falter a lot last year, but you gotta remember that the kid had never pitched that much in his life before. He simply got worn down as the season went on. Yes, hitters now know a little more about what to expect from him, but he will be a good pitcher, especially when his body can handle a whole season of work.

    Their rotation would definitely be better with Clement still, but don't forget about Carl Pavano. We have been hearing how good he is for years, and last year he finally showed glimpses of it for once. If he can stay healthy, he will be one of the best #4-5 starters in the majors.

    The guy that should scare every Marlin fan is Darren Oliver, who will be the 5th starter until Burnett comes back and pushes him out of the rotation. Oliver makes Dempster look like the second coming of Tom Seaver.

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    • miamicanes11
      Pro
      • Jun 2003
      • 594

      #92
      Re: NL East

      I actually thought singing oliver was a great move. Hes good for a 5th starter. Its those little signings that make the difference in a season (cordero and oliver).

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      • miamicanes11
        Pro
        • Jun 2003
        • 594

        #93
        Re: NL East

        I actually thought singing oliver was a great move. Hes good for a 5th starter. Its those little signings that make the difference in a season (cordero and oliver).

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        • miamicanes11
          Pro
          • Jun 2003
          • 594

          #94
          Re: NL East

          I actually thought singing oliver was a great move. Hes good for a 5th starter. Its those little signings that make the difference in a season (cordero and oliver).

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          • Perceptor
            MVP
            • Jun 2003
            • 4364

            #95
            Re: NL East

            I say the Braves have one more year left of winning that division. Ortiz, Smoltz, and the Jones boys will keep them on top I think. I think Philly will be good, but for some reason, they don't do as well down the stretch. Florida lost some good players in the off-season, but it will be cool to see Beckett in action

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            • Perceptor
              MVP
              • Jun 2003
              • 4364

              #96
              Re: NL East

              I say the Braves have one more year left of winning that division. Ortiz, Smoltz, and the Jones boys will keep them on top I think. I think Philly will be good, but for some reason, they don't do as well down the stretch. Florida lost some good players in the off-season, but it will be cool to see Beckett in action

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              • Perceptor
                MVP
                • Jun 2003
                • 4364

                #97
                Re: NL East

                I say the Braves have one more year left of winning that division. Ortiz, Smoltz, and the Jones boys will keep them on top I think. I think Philly will be good, but for some reason, they don't do as well down the stretch. Florida lost some good players in the off-season, but it will be cool to see Beckett in action

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                • rsox
                  All Star
                  • Feb 2003
                  • 6309

                  #98
                  Re: NL East

                  </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                  SportsorDeath said:
                  The guy that should scare every Marlin fan is Darren Oliver, who will be the 5th starter until Burnett comes back and pushes him out of the rotation. Oliver makes Dempster look like the second coming of Tom Seaver.

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                  Oliver did not do that bad for the Rockies last season, 13-11 5.04 ERA, high ERA but did pitch 180 innings last season, should only be 5th starter for a month or so.

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                  • rsox
                    All Star
                    • Feb 2003
                    • 6309

                    #99
                    Re: NL East

                    </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                    SportsorDeath said:
                    The guy that should scare every Marlin fan is Darren Oliver, who will be the 5th starter until Burnett comes back and pushes him out of the rotation. Oliver makes Dempster look like the second coming of Tom Seaver.

                    <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                    Oliver did not do that bad for the Rockies last season, 13-11 5.04 ERA, high ERA but did pitch 180 innings last season, should only be 5th starter for a month or so.

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                    • rsox
                      All Star
                      • Feb 2003
                      • 6309

                      #100
                      Re: NL East

                      </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                      SportsorDeath said:
                      The guy that should scare every Marlin fan is Darren Oliver, who will be the 5th starter until Burnett comes back and pushes him out of the rotation. Oliver makes Dempster look like the second coming of Tom Seaver.

                      <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                      Oliver did not do that bad for the Rockies last season, 13-11 5.04 ERA, high ERA but did pitch 180 innings last season, should only be 5th starter for a month or so.

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                      • dbdynsty25
                        Rookie
                        • Nov 2002
                        • 370

                        #101
                        Re: NL East

                        I just wanna know who the jackass is that said the Braves would have their first losing season in 12 years...LOL...that's the funniest thing I've read in a long time.

                        They will win their 90 games...and it's gonna take a hellova year by the Phillies to top it. The Marlins lost too much and the Mets are still a few years away with their young studs.

                        I can't believe how many of you guys just count the Braves out. How many times have you done that in the past 12 year...7, 8 times? The Braves farm system is far too strong for that to happen. Sure they lost a ton of firepower this offseason, but the addition of hitting for avg. guys like Estrada, LaRoche and DeRosa will offset the loss of power they might have had when Lopez and Sheff were manning the middle. And anything, especially Branyan or DeRosa at 3rd will be an upgrade over Vinny's offense. He's terrible...I can't remember the last time dude got a meaningful hit.

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                        • dbdynsty25
                          Rookie
                          • Nov 2002
                          • 370

                          #102
                          Re: NL East

                          I just wanna know who the jackass is that said the Braves would have their first losing season in 12 years...LOL...that's the funniest thing I've read in a long time.

                          They will win their 90 games...and it's gonna take a hellova year by the Phillies to top it. The Marlins lost too much and the Mets are still a few years away with their young studs.

                          I can't believe how many of you guys just count the Braves out. How many times have you done that in the past 12 year...7, 8 times? The Braves farm system is far too strong for that to happen. Sure they lost a ton of firepower this offseason, but the addition of hitting for avg. guys like Estrada, LaRoche and DeRosa will offset the loss of power they might have had when Lopez and Sheff were manning the middle. And anything, especially Branyan or DeRosa at 3rd will be an upgrade over Vinny's offense. He's terrible...I can't remember the last time dude got a meaningful hit.

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                          • dbdynsty25
                            Rookie
                            • Nov 2002
                            • 370

                            #103
                            Re: NL East

                            I just wanna know who the jackass is that said the Braves would have their first losing season in 12 years...LOL...that's the funniest thing I've read in a long time.

                            They will win their 90 games...and it's gonna take a hellova year by the Phillies to top it. The Marlins lost too much and the Mets are still a few years away with their young studs.

                            I can't believe how many of you guys just count the Braves out. How many times have you done that in the past 12 year...7, 8 times? The Braves farm system is far too strong for that to happen. Sure they lost a ton of firepower this offseason, but the addition of hitting for avg. guys like Estrada, LaRoche and DeRosa will offset the loss of power they might have had when Lopez and Sheff were manning the middle. And anything, especially Branyan or DeRosa at 3rd will be an upgrade over Vinny's offense. He's terrible...I can't remember the last time dude got a meaningful hit.

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                            • Anaxamander
                              Imperator
                              • Mar 2003
                              • 2795

                              #104
                              Re: NL East

                              It's going to be a tougher battle for the Braves this year than it has been in a long, long time. However, I still think we've got a good shot at the division. A lot depends on how LaRoche works out at 1B.

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                              • Anaxamander
                                Imperator
                                • Mar 2003
                                • 2795

                                #105
                                Re: NL East

                                It's going to be a tougher battle for the Braves this year than it has been in a long, long time. However, I still think we've got a good shot at the division. A lot depends on how LaRoche works out at 1B.

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