MLB Off-Topic

[Majingir]

Re: MLB Off-Topic

That's already a stat. It's a hold

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But what about stats like relievers who come in when the team is winning but they end up losing, or the team was losing but they end up winning? And starters who left games with the team winning but the team ends up losing?

All diff stats like that would be part of that.

[Jr.]

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But what about stats like relievers who come in when the team is winning but they end up losing, or the team was losing but they end up winning? And starters who left games with the team winning but the team ends up losing?

All diff stats like that would be part of that.

Reliever enters with lead and gives it up: blown save/loss

Reliever enters with a deficit and team wins: Win

Starter who leaves game with lead but team loses: quality start. Says they pitched well but didn't get a win. If they don't get a quality start, they probably didn't pitch well.

There are stats for these scenarios

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[kehlis]

Re: MLB Off-Topic

I'm not entirely sure I'm understanding you or if maybe you are joking but:

But what about stats like relievers who come in when the team is winning but they end up losing,

Reliever gets the loss in this scenario. Not the starter.

or the team was losing but they end up winning?

The reliever would get the win in this scenario. Not the starter.

And starters who left games with the team winning but the team ends up losing?

Again, the loss would go to the pitcher who gave up the lead. Not the starter.

Am I missing something?

[Majingir]

Re: MLB Off-Topic

In a game though we see multiple pitchers pitching.

The stat is more to determine individual performance. Like seeing how many times a starter actually left while his team was winning the game. Or a reliever, if they might not have been officially on the hook for a win, loss, save, hold, still seeing the types of scenarios they were pitching in, such as being ahead or behind.

[stlducks]

Re: MLB Off-Topic

Baseball already has enough stats that people don't understand. Just go back to the simple stats and make the game enjoyable again.

Advanced stats are stupid. The DH is stupid. Removing starters in the 4th inning is stupid. Making relievers face a minimum number of hitters is stupid. The commissioner is stupid. Owners are stupid. Games in March are stupid. The Brewers are stupid.

I don't even know why I like baseball now that I think about it.

[NYJets]

Re: MLB Off-Topic

People don’t need to follow advanced stats if they don’t want to. I don’t see how they could detract from liking baseball


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[parent22]

Re: MLB Off-Topic

Baseball already has enough stats that people don't understand. Just go back to the simple stats and make the game enjoyable again.

Advanced stats are stupid. The DH is stupid. Removing starters in the 4th inning is stupid. Making relievers face a minimum number of hitters is stupid. The commissioner is stupid. Owners are stupid. Games in March are stupid. The Brewers are stupid.

I don't even know why I like baseball now that I think about it.

Why get rid of advanced stats? You can follow basic stats. Just because you don't think that advanced stats matter doesn't mean that we should cut them out entirely.

I think that making a baseball game enjoyable isn't about the advanced stats. It's definitely about pace of game. If a starter lets up 5 runs after 3, he's going to have thrown a lot of pitches. And if he throws a lot of pitches, he's going to be tired. The only reason that teams remove their starting pitcher after 3 or 4 innings is injury or 4+ runs.

Advanced stats really help people judge players. RBIs aren't a measure of a player. neither are wins or losses. Those so called "basic stats" are very messed up. Baseball is a game of logic and thinking. If you don't like baseball, then why do you still pay attention?

Thanks.

[Caulfield]

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Advanced stats are stupid. The DH is stupid. Removing starters in the 4th inning is stupid. Making relievers face a minimum number of hitters is stupid. The commissioner is stupid. Owners are stupid. Games in March are stupid. The Brewers are stupid. You're out of order. They're out of order. This league is out of order. The whole damn sport is out of order.

I don't even know why I like baseball now.

...fixxed...

[Blzer]

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Why get rid of advanced stats? You can follow basic stats. Just because you don't think that advanced stats matter doesn't mean that we should cut them out entirely.

I think that making a baseball game enjoyable isn't about the advanced stats. It's definitely about pace of game. If a starter lets up 5 runs after 3, he's going to have thrown a lot of pitches. And if he throws a lot of pitches, he's going to be tired. The only reason that teams remove their starting pitcher after 3 or 4 innings is injury or 4+ runs.

Advanced stats really help people judge players. RBIs aren't a measure of a player. neither are wins or losses. Those so called "basic stats" are very messed up. Baseball is a game of logic and thinking. If you don't like baseball, then why do you still pay attention?

Thanks.

The first 21 parents couldn't get it right, but you, sir, did!

Anyway, in a twisted sense I like RBI's as they are a slight indicator of what you've done, but it's certainly not any sort of predictor on what you will do.

In fact, like many of you, I'm understanding of how overstated RBI's can be, but there was at least one OS member back in the day who didn't quite grasp that. Check out this decade-old thread where Scottdau was in favor of Ryan Howard being chosen for the last NL ASG team slot over Joey Votto. He doesn't say it immediately, but by post #170 he finally drops the RBI-bomb.

I chime in on post #174 where I shed light on [URL="https://forums.operationsports.com/forums/pro-baseball/423917-all-star-game-roster-discussion-complaint-thread-5.html#post2041275350"]why RBI's are useless to look at in this comparison between the two players.

The most bizarre part about Scott's argument is: despite Votto outperforming Howard in virtually every other offensive statistic, they were tied in RBI's. Even if the RBI was his smoking gun, his argument still can't hold water for that very fact. I don't know where he was going with his statement.

[Caulfield]

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The first 21 parents couldn't get it right, but you, sir, did!

Anyway, in a twisted sense I like RBI's as they are a slight indicator of what you've done, but it's certainly not any sort of predictor on what you will do.


In fact, like many of you, I'm understanding of how overstated RBI's can be, but there was at least one OS member back in the day who didn't quite grasp that. Check out this decade-old thread where Scottdau was in favor of Ryan Howard being chosen for the last NL ASG team slot over Joey Votto. He doesn't say it immediately, but by post #170 he finally drops the RBI-bomb.


I chime in on post #174 where I shed light on [url="https://forums.operationsports.com/forums/pro-baseball/423917-all-star-game-roster-discussion-complaint-thread-5.html#post2041275350"]why RBI's are useless to look at in this comparison between the two players.


The most bizarre part about Scott's argument is despite Votto outperforming Howard in virtually every other offensive statistic, they were tied in RBI's. Even if the RBI was his smoking gun, his argument still can't hold water for that very fact. I don't know where he was going with his statement.

rbi, when looked at correctly, I have no problem with. I just dont want to come to any conclusion using only that raw number. give me an rbi stat something like rbi/rbi opportunity

[parent22]

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The first 21 parents couldn't get it right, but you, sir, did!

Anyway, in a twisted sense I like RBI's as they are a slight indicator of what you've done, but it's certainly not any sort of predictor on what you will do.

In fact, like many of you, I'm understanding of how overstated RBI's can be, but there was at least one OS member back in the day who didn't quite grasp that. Check out this decade-old thread where Scottdau was in favor of Ryan Howard being chosen for the last NL ASG team slot over Joey Votto. He doesn't say it immediately, but by post #170 he finally drops the RBI-bomb.

I chime in on post #174 where I shed light on [URL="https://forums.operationsports.com/forums/pro-baseball/423917-all-star-game-roster-discussion-complaint-thread-5.html#post2041275350"]why RBI's are useless to look at in this comparison between the two players.

The most bizarre part about Scott's argument is: despite Votto outperforming Howard in virtually every other offensive statistic, they were tied in RBI's. Even if the RBI was his smoking gun, his argument still can't hold water for that very fact. I don't know where he was going with his statement.

I agree that the first 21 parents got it wrong-hopefully parent23 makes some slight improvements. Lmao

[Jr.]

Re: MLB Off-Topic

MLB proposes 76 game schedule and 75% prorated salaries for players.

http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/29282308/source-new-mlb-proposal-union-76-games

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[DieHardYankee26]

Re: MLB Off-Topic

Saw this for a quick number breakdown:

https://mobile.twitter.com/mikeaxisa/status/1270007214208679936

[Majingir]

Re: MLB Off-Topic

So basically nothing changed.

Of all leagues, MLS is only one I've heard of which has actually been able to negotiate a new CBA during all this.

NHL always has a risk of a lockout, MLB could be heading towards a strike, and who knows what NBA or NFL could be like salary wise if regular season games start being impacted.

[Madden08PCgmr]

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I understand why the players don't trust the owners, especially as it relates to the dollar figures

I respect the strength of that union, unlike the pathetic NFLPA, that cracks anytime there is pressure

I just hope the players realize what is on the line here.

With the labor deal about to expire, what if the owners decide this is their chance to utterly crush the MLBPA once and for all?