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Utterly crush how?
Utterly crush how?
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Refuse to deal with them in any way. Move forward with their minor leaguers, who, as far as I know, aren't unionized.
What are the players going to do? Go start their own League? How many of them would abandon the MLBPAs cause after being locked out for an extended period?You want free speech?
Let's see you acknowledge a man whose words make your blood boil, advocating at the top of his lungs that which you would spend a lifetime opposing at the top of yours.Comment
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You mean locking out the players. It would lead to the same phases anytime this happens: Owners lockout players ------> players union decertify --------> owners/players get nervous and we get a deal. It literally has never been fully litigated in courts (once the union decertifies) because it is uncharted territory and neither side knows what lies at the other side nor are willing to find out.
It isn't as simple as "I will ignore the union and play with scabs".OSHA Inspector for the NBA.Comment
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You want free speech?
Let's see you acknowledge a man whose words make your blood boil, advocating at the top of his lungs that which you would spend a lifetime opposing at the top of yours.Comment
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R.I.P. another childhood hero, Claudell Washington
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Forgotten with no regular season so far is the fact that we were going to see the debuts of all of these:
I also forgot the Jays changed their primary logo. They made their alternate their primary and their primary their alternate.
Brewers new look is one of the best in baseball. Milwaukee rebrands as a whole have been great. Bucks new look has been great too.Comment
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Forgotten with no regular season so far is the fact that we were going to see the debuts of all of these:
I also forgot the Jays changed their primary logo. They made their alternate their primary and their primary their alternate.
Brewers new look is one of the best in baseball. Milwaukee rebrands as a whole have been great. Bucks new look has been great too.
Don’t forget new Texas uniforms too.
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Alex Cora speaks out about the Astros' cheating scandal:
"There has been a narrative out there of what happened. Ever since mid-November until the commissioner announced the results of the Red Sox investigation, I have read many things that are true and many others that are not," he said. "Out of this whole process, if there is one thing that I completely reject and disagree with is people within the Astros organization singling me out, particularly [former general manager] Jeff Luhnow, as if I were the sole mastermind. The commissioner's report sort of explained, in its own way, what happened. But the [Astros players] have spoken up and refuted any allegations that I was solely responsible."
He added: "If there is one thing I am absolutely sure of, it is that it was not a two-man show. We all did it. And let me be very clear that I am not denying my responsibility, because we were all responsible."
"Out of respect for the investigation, I decided to stay out of the spotlight. Talking about it wasn't going to change anything," Cora said. "I deserve my suspension and I'm paying the price for my actions. And I am not proud of what happened. We made a mistake as a group, the entire [Astros] team. What happened was something that, if you ask anyone involved, no one is proud of it. We're all at fault. Everybody. We're all responsible. Everyone who was part of the team from around mid-May until the end of the season, we are all responsible."
"Right now, all I care about is my personal life and my family. This has not been an easy time for us, and it's my fault," he said. "Do I want to return to the game? Absolutely. That's why I worked so hard for so many years before being named Red Sox manager. But right now, all of that is secondary. My focus is on much more important things."
"I understand why people think that our championship is not valid, and it's our fault that they think that. I am being honest and I apologize for what happened and for the mistakes we made as a group," he said. "I understand why people are disappointed. I am disappointed in myself. At the time, one doesn't think about the consequences. It was something that kept growing and growing, and in the end, it was wrong. We made a mistake and I must pay for the consequences of my actions."
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https://theathletic.com/1870649/2020...sign-stealing/Judge orders 2017 MLB letter to Yankees unsealed; plaintiffs say it details sign stealing
A New York judge ruled on Friday that a letter sent by Major League Baseball commissioner Rob Manfred to the Yankees addressing the findings of a 2017 investigation into the team should be unsealed.
MLB and the Yankees may submit a minimally redacted version of the letter “to protect the identity of the individuals mentioned” by noon ET on Monday, as part of the proceedings in a lawsuit brought against the league by daily fantasy sports contestants in the wake of the sign-stealing scandals in Houston and Boston. The Yankees argue the letter would cause “significant reputational injury,” Judge Jed Rakoff said in his order, and the letter is not to be unsealed until June 19, so the team has enough time to make an emergency appeal. People with knowledge of the case said it is likely the Yankees will do so.
“There is no justification for public disclosure of the letter,” Jonathan Schiller, a lawyer representing the Yankees, said in a statement to The Athletic. “The plaintiff has no case anymore, and the court held that what MLB wrote in confidence was irrelevant to the court’s dismissal of the plaintiff’s case. Under established law, this supports the Yankees’ right to confidentiality required by the Commissioner of Baseball.”
Added a Yankees official, speaking on the condition of anonymity: “We’re not doing this to cover up some smoking gun.”
Although the broader case was dismissed by Rakoff, the plaintiffs on Friday appealed the case to the 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals. A lawyer for the plaintiffs and a spokesman for the league declined comment.
Prior to Manfred’s discipline of the Astros and the Red Sox in 2020 for electronic sign stealing, he publicly disciplined the Yankees and the Red Sox in 2017, fining both. He announced the decision in a Sept. 15 press release that year.
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“Plaintiffs alleged that the 2017 Press Release falsely suggested that the investigation found that the Yankees had only engaged in a minor technical infraction, whereas, according to plaintiffs, the investigation had in fact found that the Yankees engaged in a more serious, sign-stealing scheme,” Rakoff wrote Friday.
Rakoff wrote that “much of the letter’s contents have already been revealed in the 2017 Press Release.” But the plaintiffs claim the letter is revelatory, arguing it “proved Manfred’s duplicity.” Both MLB and the Yankees are seeking to keep the letter under wraps.
Schiller said that the conduct the Yankees were cited for occurred in 2015 and 2016. MLB significantly updated its rules regarding electronic sign-stealing after the 2017 season.
“It is the Yankees’ understanding that the press release about the investigation reflects the Commissioner’s final determinations,” Schiller said. “Those determinations were that the Yankees had committed a technical violation of MLB’s rules by misusing the dugout phone. The Yankees were not found to have violated any rule involving sign stealing. The press release is accurate and states MLB’s conclusions.
“The Yankees are not a party to the case. There is no basis for the confidential Yankees letter to be disclosed or reported on in a case that was dismissed with prejudice on grounds unrelated to this letter or this press release.”
Rakoff, however, wrote in his order that the letter is relevant because it ultimately informed the proceedings.
MLB and the Yankees’ efforts to keep the letter sealed add to the intrigue: What are they protecting, if anything? Manfred in January touted MLB’s commitment to transparency in his nine-page report issued publicly on the Astros’ conduct.
“MLB primarily argues that it will be injured by the disclosure of the Yankees Letter because such disclosure will undermine its ability to conduct internal investigations in the future by undermining teams’ faith in their confidentiality,” Rakoff wrote Friday. “The Yankees argue that they have a strong privacy interest because public disclosure of the Yankees Letter would cause the Yankees significant reputational injury. While this may be the case, the gravity of this concern is again lessened by the fact that the contents of the Yankees Letter have already been discussed in some form by the 2017 Press Release.”
At the least, however, the league’s 2017 press release about the Yankees’ conduct lacked specificity.
The league determined in 2017 that the Red Sox had illegally transmitted signs via a wearable device, in what became known as the Apple Watch scandal. But in the press release announcing the findings of the investigation into both the Red Sox and Yankees, Manfred did not detail exactly what the Yankees did, noting only that it included the use of the dugout phone.
“We learned that during an earlier … season (prior to 2017) the Yankees had violated a rule governing the use of the dugout phone,” Manfred wrote in the release. “No Club complained about the conduct in question at the time and, without prompting from another Club or my Office, the Yankees halted the conduct in question. Moreover, the substance of the communications that took place on the dugout phone was not a violation of any Rule or Regulation in and of itself.”
The Athletic has previously reported that in 2017 MLB determined that the Yankees had engaged in conduct related to sign stealing similar to the Red Sox’.
“The letter, like all of the Commissioner’s disciplinary proceeding letters, is confidential,” Schiller wrote. “That’s why MLB sealed this letter, the Red Sox letter, and the Astros letter. None of those letters are public. MLB required the Yankees to keep the letter confidential and the Yankees did. MLB designated the letter as Highly Confidential under the Court’s protective order in the litigation, consistent with that confidentiality.”
The letter was initially submitted under seal as requested by the defendants.
“In the ordinary course, the Court would have unsealed the letter at that time,” Rakoff wrote Friday. “However, defendant MLB and third-party the New York Yankees (the “Yankees”) requested continued sealing of the letter.”
In a 12-page explanation of his decision to unseal the letter, Rakoff called the privacy interests of both the Yankees and MLB “modest at best, and not nearly strong enough to overcome the robust presumption of access that attaches to the Yankees Letter.”
Rakoff is allowing the letter to be redacted in part because he believes certain individuals mentioned “possess a strong privacy interest in maintaining anonymity.”OSHA Inspector for the NBA.Comment
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Yankees cheating!?
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More (of the same I mean) dugout phone foolery...hopefully we get to read the letter, and the Red Sox and Astros letters get unsealed as well.Originally posted by G PericoComment
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Probably at least a good portion of the league was in on this kind of thing in some form. The Astros may have had the best and deepest operation going out of everyone, but are we really supposed to believe this all ends at just the Astros, Red Sox, and Yankees? Not sure I buy that one.
And the ‘punishments’ handed down for this kind of thing didn’t really do anything to deter anything like it from being attempted again. The cheaters got caught and pretty much still won in the end anyway.Comment
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Sounds like a bunch of overblown bull****.Comment
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Just put it all out there. The game is dying a slow death anyway. All the nonsense that's already happened under Manfreds watch should be enough for him to resign.
While the world is in full in protest. Can we storm Manfreds office and demand removal?
He's turned this game into a joke. Selig started it. Then he gave us this spawn of Satan to finish off everything we've loved.
Nobody respects MLB anymore. It's about on par with college basketball. Damn my love for this game and for it running through my blood. I want to be done with it completely.
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I love how Manfred's sorry *** gets painted as an owner's puppet but he has way, way, way more in common with the players/union, fans, and media/writers who do literally nothing except bitch and moan about the sport and everything about it and constantly put it down and **** on it all the ****ing time.
Worst part is that everyone creamed themselves over this guy coming into power just because they thought Selig was so bad and thought he was "younger" and a "fresh face" and whatever.
No, he's just a grifter who bought into all the garbage, misguided, trending criticisms the people around the sport peddle on a incessant, insufferable basis.
Everyone involved has made a complete mockery of the sport and all have worked tirelessly to destroy any and all legitimacy the sport had left.
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