MLB Off-Topic

[kmoser]

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Well, Harper's walk off dinger is part of the reason why I'm crushing you 11-3 in fantasy this week. <3



Really hope they work out a Hamels deal.

What would they have to give up to get Hamels? Heard that Amaro Jr wants ALOT

[PhilliesFan13]

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What would they have to give up to get Hamels? Heard that Amaro Jr wants ALOT

If they want Hamels, you're talking Soler, Bryant, and Baez most likely. I highly doubt a deal gets worked out. Phillies want to build around Hamels. They would have to be extremely blown away with a deal to move him. If the Cubs offered those 3 (which I find very unlikely), then Hamels is theirs.

[TripleCrown9]

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Or Mike Trout lol.

[AC]

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Baez and Bryant and Soler for Hamels lmao

[PhilliesFan13]

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Baez and Bryant and Soler for Hamels lmao

Exactly why I said highly unlikely. No doubt Amaro would ask for them and then get hung up on. I'd hang up on him too.

[AC]

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Ruin Tomorrow Junior is dumb but I don't think there's a human being that is that unintelligent that they would ask for two top 5 prospects and a top 40 one for the right to pay the rest of a $144M contract to a 30 year old pitcher.

[PhilliesFan13]

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Ruin Tomorrow Junior is dumb but I don't think there's a human being that is that unintelligent that they would ask for two top 5 prospects and a top 40 one for the right to pay the rest of a $144M contract to a 30 year old pitcher.

^That guy.

[CaseIH]

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If they want Hamels, you're talking Soler, Bryant, and Baez most likely. I highly doubt a deal gets worked out. Phillies want to build around Hamels. They would have to be extremely blown away with a deal to move him. If the Cubs offered those 3 (which I find very unlikely), then Hamels is theirs.

Hamels has a partial no trade clause, not sure if the Cubs are on that list or not. Most top players dont want to play for the Cubs, so I would be surprised if that wasnt one of the teams he can nix a trade too. I dont see a deal getting done anyway, cause I think Amaro will be asking a lot more than the Cubs will want to give.

If the Cubs were dumb enough to offer those 3 guys you mentioned then I think even Amaro as dumb as he is wouldnt pass up that deal,lol. I know its the Cubs, but I dont see them being that ignorant to offer any of those guys in any deal, especially not Bryant and Baez.

[AC]

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Just to illustrate a point, if the Phillies sent the Cubs two Cole Hamels, I might take the trade. I might. Maybe. Boring justification:

Spoiler

Addison Russell Surplus Value $42.2M

Cole Hamels Oliver Projections: 3.7, 3.5, 3.2, 3.2 (for his contract). $109M total value. Subtract his salary: $19.5555M surplus value. That's 46.3% of Russell's value. So Hamels would have to be the secondary piece in a deal for him. Blah blah blah stats.

In English, Hamels' contract really, really cuts into his worth as an asset to the point that he's maybe half as valuable as Russell.

A fair exchange for him would a hitter in the 25-50 top prospect range like Arismendy Alcantara, Jorge Soler, or Albert Almora straight up, or a pitcher 11-25 which the Cubs don't have. And Hamels is a 30 y/o pitcher which, while factored into the aging curve, detracts from his value in that his arm could go boom at any time, in which you're left with a CC style steaming heap of contract.

This could all change depending on how much money the Phillies eat. For Addy Russell to be fair (not even necessarily worth it) for the Cubs, they'd have to eat $20-30M.

So yeah, I really wouldn't do that lol. GG Theo.

[kehlis]

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If we're going to misuse stats, then Baez and Harper's respective HR/FB% should be sustainable.

26 wRC+ so far. We're gonna need him to show he can do more than hit dingers.

Thanks for reminding me why I stay out of this forum.

[AC]

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Thanks for reminding me why I stay out of this forum.

Because I use stats with an abbreviation, I shouldn't be allowed to post, right? I'm fully allowed to call Cam out on his Harper reference if I have an opinion to back it up, which I do (Harper's likely upcoming regression in power).

If I did something against the ToS, cool, call me out on it, but it's ridiculous how I get called a smartass, dick, *******, POS, and other things, as well as get told that I'm the reason that you stay out of this forum because I use stats that aren't popular with people, and that that's okay, but somehow what I say isn't.

[Jr.]

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I don't think Cam was saying that Baez is as good as Harper already because he has 1 less HR in 200 or however many less ABs.

It was just a cool/funny stat that didn't really need further interpretation or sabermetrization (yeah I made that up).

Kehlis can correct me if I'm off base, but I think that's what his comment was referring to.

[kehlis]

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Because I use stats with an abbreviation, I shouldn't be allowed to post, right? I'm fully allowed to call Cam out on his Harper reference if I have an opinion to back it up, which I do (Harper's likely upcoming regression in power).

If I did something against the ToS, cool, call me out on it, but it's ridiculous how I get called a smartass, dick, *******, POS, and other things, as well as get told that I'm the reason that you stay out of this forum because I use stats that aren't popular with people, and that that's okay, but somehow what I say isn't.

Never said you violated TOS.

It was the whole "If were going to misuse stats" quote that annoys me.

Have at it, you're fine. Just seems high and mighty to me but nothing against the TOS.

And what's with getting so defensive lol? I just shared (as I did last week) that it's posts like that that keep me away from here.

[CameRoN0407]

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I don't think Cam was saying that Baez is as good as Harper already because he has 1 less HR in 200 or however many less ABs.

It was just a cool/funny stat that didn't really need further interpretation or sabermetrization (yeah I made that up).

Kehlis can correct me if I'm off base, but I think that's what his comment was referring to.

Exactly.
10Char

[AC]

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I don't think Cam was saying that Baez is as good as Harper already because he has 1 less HR in 200 or however many less ABs.

It was just a cool/funny stat that didn't really need further interpretation or sabermetrization (yeah I made that up).

Kehlis can correct me if I'm off base, but I think that's what his comment was referring to.

I know he's not saying that Baez is as good as Harper lol, Cam's a smart guy. I was saying that Harper's power is likely better than what he's produced so far. His HR/FB% is something like half of his career's. He just picked Harper for name value.

It's a cool fun fact but it's also misleading imo. Better examples could be Jay Bruce or Mark Trumbo.

Sabermetrization should be in the dictionary lol.

Never said you violated TOS.

It was the whole "If were going to misuse stats" quote that annoys me.

Have at it, you're fine. Just seems high and mighty to me but nothing against the TOS.

And what's with getting so defensive lol? I just shared (as I did last week) that it's posts like that that keep me away from here.

I know, I was just giving a hypothetical.

I was pointing out what happens when you misuse stats. I dunno, I could have said "See, this is what happens when you misuse stats" but that doesn't sound much different/better. I don't see how I was being high and mighty. Cam and I have discussions like this all the time, in the forums and through PM.

I dunno, I think I have the right to be a bit defensive when I frequently get blasted and told that I'm exactly what's wrong with this forum (not just you) for merely having an opinion.