MLB Off-Topic

[Jeffx]

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Just more proof that Mets ownership is small-time. The Yankees economic model is "unsustainable"???? Really Fred? Where have this fool been the past 40+ years, lol. Instead of being upset at the Yankees for caring about winning, concentrate on your own team.

https://nypost.com/2017/12/21/fred-wilpon-irate-about-yankees-getting-giancarlo-stanton/

[Sportsforever]

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Just more proof that Mets ownership is small-time. The Yankees economic model is "unsustainable"???? Really Fred? Where have this fool been the past 40+ years, lol. Instead of being upset at the Yankees for caring about winning, concentrate on your own team.


https://nypost.com/2017/12/21/fred-w...carlo-stanton/

I think what he really means is "if the Yankees keep spending money like this, I'll have to spend more money to appear I'm trying to win and I don't want to do that".

[Trapper700]

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Just more proof that Mets ownership is small-time. The Yankees economic model is "unsustainable"???? Really Fred? Where have this fool been the past 40+ years, lol. Instead of being upset at the Yankees for caring about winning, concentrate on your own team.


https://nypost.com/2017/12/21/fred-w...carlo-stanton/

Fred Wilpon thinks an 18% average annual return is sustainable with Bernie Madoff's investment firm, but that baseball contracts are ”unsustainable”. In other words, Fred Wilpon is an idiot.

[DamnYanks2]

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Fred Wilpon is a ***** lol. Not sure why you are so focused on a team that's not even in your league. Seems pretty pointless.

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[SPTO]

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It's too bad Nelson Doubleday (and i'm sure his family) lost out in the acrimonious feud with Wilpon because any success that franchise had was mainly due to the work done by Doubleday. Wilpon more or less rode the coattails for better or for worse.

[Qdiddy]

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I think what he really means is "if the Yankees keep spending money like this, I'll have to spend more money to appear I'm trying to win and I don't want to do that".

Lol yea that’s pretty much what he meant. Dumb a** can’t even see they cut below the lux cap, and added Stanton, which by the way marketing and memorabilia sales alone will cover his contract in no time. What a dud owner, you think he would learn from the Steinbrenners instead of bashing them and falling for the Madoffs


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[WaitTilNextYear]

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I think what he really means is "if the Yankees keep spending money like this, I'll have to spend more money to appear I'm trying to win and I don't want to do that".

Someone with a mere $500MM net worth complaining about the bombast of slightly richer billionaires is never going to play.

[SPTO]

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So here's a question to pose to you all. Have the days of the free agency bonanza come to a close?

I ask because this is the 2nd straight winter where guys who should have some real big markets and bidding wars are seeing absolutely nada. Guys like J.D. Martinez, Eric Hosmer, Jake Arreta etc etc should have teams escalating their market price but it just doesn't seem to be happening. Now that doesn't mean big contracts are disappearing because if you take a look at the relievers market they're raking in bigger money than they've ever seen before. Relievers used to be guys you could get for a song but are now commanding big bucks. The traditional market for power hitters and SP don't seem to be as strong as it once was.

I think a lot of this can be attributed to more teams thinking along the same lines and being patient. I saw a segment on MLB Tonight where Bob Nightengale basically said the Red Sox aren't budging from their initial offer to J.D. Martinez because they feel like they're bidding against themselves and Eric Hosmer might end up going back to KC because his market has wilted to the point that his only serious suitor is San Diego.

Another factor in all this? I think owners and GMs have finally figured out Scott Boras' M.O. Boras INTENTIONALLY slows down the market while asking for the moon and the stars for his clients. Teams are no longer feeding into his arguments and bidding like crazy for his clients like they used to. I can't say he's a bad agent in terms of looking out for his guys but his very hard line stance and insistence on garnering market changing contracts for his biggest name clients is clearly not as successful as it used to be. Don't get me wrong, I think he will always get that one super huge contract but it's becoming harder and harder for him to achieve his goals.


What you all think? Personally, the litmus test for my way of thinking is clearly next offseason.

[Qdiddy]

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So here's a question to pose to you all. Have the days of the free agency bonanza come to a close?



I ask because this is the 2nd straight winter where guys who should have some real big markets and bidding wars are seeing absolutely nada. Guys like J.D. Martinez, Eric Hosmer, Jake Arreta etc etc should have teams escalating their market price but it just doesn't seem to be happening. Now that doesn't mean big contracts are disappearing because if you take a look at the relievers market they're raking in bigger money than they've ever seen before. Relievers used to be guys you could get for a song but are now commanding big bucks. The traditional market for power hitters and SP don't seem to be as strong as it once was.



I think a lot of this can be attributed to more teams thinking along the same lines and being patient. I saw a segment on MLB Tonight where Bob Nightengale basically said the Red Sox aren't budging from their initial offer to J.D. Martinez because they feel like they're bidding against themselves and Eric Hosmer might end up going back to KC because his market has wilted to the point that his only serious suitor is San Diego.



Another factor in all this? I think owners and GMs have finally figured out Scott Boras' M.O. Boras INTENTIONALLY slows down the market while asking for the moon and the stars for his clients. Teams are no longer feeding into his arguments and bidding like crazy for his clients like they used to. I can't say he's a bad agent in terms of looking out for his guys but his very hard line stance and insistence on garnering market changing contracts for his biggest name clients is clearly not as successful as it used to be. Don't get me wrong, I think he will always get that one super huge contract but it's becoming harder and harder for him to achieve his goals.





What you all think? Personally, the litmus test for my way of thinking is clearly next offseason.

I think it’s a combination of things, like you mentioned there really is no market for some of these guys Like for instance J.D Martinez is most likely staying in Ari or going to Bos as anyone else who can afford what’s he’s asking has no real need for his services. The other thing is I think most teams are shifting philosophies in several ways, one being spending up on relief pitchers as you mentioned and feeling they can get comparable offense from lesser priced guys as offense is trending way up. Those factors leave a guy like Arrieta who would normally have a bidding war left out as he’s a high priced starter that is very good but nobody want to pay top $ for a 5 or 6 inning guy anymore which is what he will be with the way the game is played today with analytics making teams more bullpen dependent so again he has no real market as before.

I’m sure some also has to do with Boras tactics but I think that’s only a factor for some teams as others are going to pay for what they want regardless. Also I really think a lot of teams are holding out for next year, you see a lot of “money shifting” moves like the LAD/ATL deal as next years FA crop could be the biggest and best ever

That’s my thoughts


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[WaitTilNextYear]

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The sports world (and baseball world) lost a HoF announcer tonight in Dick Enberg. He was certainly slowing down and looking frail in recent years.

http://www.espn.com/espn/story/_/id/21842570/dick-enberg-beloved-broadcaster-dies-age-82

One of the most accomplished sports broadcasters of all time. He was 82 years old.

[Blzer]

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Oh no! Loved hearing him. Very unique voice.

[Trapper700]

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So here's a question to pose to you all. Have the days of the free agency bonanza come to a close?

I ask because this is the 2nd straight winter where guys who should have some real big markets and bidding wars are seeing absolutely nada. Guys like J.D. Martinez, Eric Hosmer, Jake Arreta etc etc should have teams escalating their market price but it just doesn't seem to be happening. Now that doesn't mean big contracts are disappearing because if you take a look at the relievers market they're raking in bigger money than they've ever seen before. Relievers used to be guys you could get for a song but are now commanding big bucks. The traditional market for power hitters and SP don't seem to be as strong as it once was.

I think a lot of this can be attributed to more teams thinking along the same lines and being patient. I saw a segment on MLB Tonight where Bob Nightengale basically said the Red Sox aren't budging from their initial offer to J.D. Martinez because they feel like they're bidding against themselves and Eric Hosmer might end up going back to KC because his market has wilted to the point that his only serious suitor is San Diego.

Another factor in all this? I think owners and GMs have finally figured out Scott Boras' M.O. Boras INTENTIONALLY slows down the market while asking for the moon and the stars for his clients. Teams are no longer feeding into his arguments and bidding like crazy for his clients like they used to. I can't say he's a bad agent in terms of looking out for his guys but his very hard line stance and insistence on garnering market changing contracts for his biggest name clients is clearly not as successful as it used to be. Don't get me wrong, I think he will always get that one super huge contract but it's becoming harder and harder for him to achieve his goals.


What you all think? Personally, the litmus test for my way of thinking is clearly next offseason.

I think it's getting pretty obvious that the MLBPA is terrible at their job and should never have agreed to the CBA with the luxury tax and all the penalties. Tons of unsigned free agents and decent to good players are finding it difficult to get a job right now. Most of the teams are so conscious of the cap that they're refusing to spend money on players that they would have signed just a couple of years ago.

Tony Clark rolled over for a soft cap instead of pushing for something baseball needs, which is a salary floor. All so that they wouldn't have an international draft. A salary floor is totally something Marvin Miller would have fought tooth and nail for today.

Soft caps and salary caps in general are a bad thing and they shouldn't be in the sport at all, at least in their current state.

[countryboy]

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The sports world (and baseball world) lost a HoF announcer tonight in Dick Enberg. He was certainly slowing down and looking frail in recent years.

http://www.espn.com/espn/story/_/id/21842570/dick-enberg-beloved-broadcaster-dies-age-82

One of the most accomplished sports broadcasters of all time. He was 82 years old.

I really enjoyed listening to him call a game. And I remember his opening of the Padres/Mariners game the day of Tony Gwynn's passing.

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[DieHardYankee26]

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https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2017/12/21/inside-the-mets-20-million-payroll-cut-and-whats-next/amp/

They have not surrendered to a rebuild, banking in particular that Mickey Callaway, Dave Eiland and an upgraded devotion to preparing and monitoring their pitchers will allow the Mets to rebound toward 85-plus wins. But there also will not be a significant offseason splurge. Sandy Alderson has roughly $10 million remaining to spend on free agents or trades and can expand that to a larger amount if he can, say, deal someone such as Juan Lagares or AJ Ramos.

[Jeffx]

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Mets bring back Omar Minaya as a "special assistant" to Sandy Alderson.....hmmm....

https://nypost.com/2017/12/22/mets-bring-back-controversial-ex-gm-omar-minaya/amp/