MLB Off-Topic

[Blzer]

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20th inning and later starts with a runner on 1st. 30th inning and later we go to scoring position. That's where I'm at.

I'm pretty anti-pace of play rules in general. I haven't really seen a "pace of play" rule where I thought to myself, yeah that really fixes something I disliked about baseball. Maybe getting Willson Contreras to communicate with his pitchers better so he can come out to the mound less often is something I could find useful...but...I digress.

With this new extra inning rule, it actually takes out one of the most suspenseful/fun aspects about the late innings. See, the fun and excitement isn't just in that final hit that walks everyone off. The fun and excitement is anticipating and living through the rally. Watching it build. Seeing all the rally caps and tense faces in the crowd. Seeing the first guy draw an 11-pitch walk. Then the pitcher becomes too small for the moment and uncorks a wild pitch. Then, someone comes through with "the hit"...maybe even Tony Womack off of Mariano Rivera. I don't like how this rule potentially takes the rally out of the late innings and gives us insta-rally instead.

Here is the Wiki recap of the 2001 World Series Game 7 Bot 9th (not extra innings, but the point still stands I think)



Now, re-imagine that game without Mark Grace working Mariano Rivera over. Imagine that they simply decide to put Grace (or actually the batter before him) on 2B. Would that have made this game better?

Or here's the lesser-known Game 5 of the series that went 12 innings with the Yankees winning and taking a 3-2 series lead.



Is that inning better if Knoblauch doesn't have to get himself on 1st to start things off? I have a difficult time with that.

Pretty much this exactly. I remember when the DC was trying to kick off their film universe with a fully-fledged team film, and I was really trying to explain that half the magic of a moment is from the build-up toward it, and that Marvel went about this the right way whereas DC was just rushing things.

For this and baseball, the deliverance needs to be earned in order to feel genuine. That's all.

[TheMatrix31]

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Nah, no compromise. If they implement this at the MLB level, for any inning, I'm out.

Yup. This is the line in the sand. The "red line" as it were.

No compromise on anything that makes baseball not baseball.

[Jr.]

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Y'all know this isn't at the MLB level, right?

[WaitTilNextYear]

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Y'all know this isn't at the MLB level, right?

Yes, we do. And we're hoping it very much stays that way.

[TheMatrix31]

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Y'all know this isn't at the MLB level, right?

Yes, and I'm tired of slippery slope bull**** ****ing up everything I love.

Everyone needs to get out in front of this now.

[PhilliesFan13]

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Extra innings stays the way it always has been. If you want a guy on second base to start an inning then hope he hits a double.

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[DieHardYankee26]

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Yup. This is the line in the sand. The "red line" as it were.

No compromise on anything that makes baseball not baseball.

The DH should've been that red line.

[Sportsforever]

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The guy that starts the inning at 2B is the last out from the previous inning. This was stated pretty clear in the announcement of the rule. So no one would have an AB skipped. I don't know why the runner would get a PA since he didn't step up to the plate. I'm sure the stat would work the same as for a pinch runner.

It really seems like people are starting to reach for reasons to **** on the rule at this point.

That is what I thought, but when listening to a discussion regarding the new minors rule two radio hosts stated it would be the leadoff man just goes to 2nd. Maybe that isn't what they meant, but I thought the rule had been tweaked. Regardless, it still creates issues. Does the runner who starts on 2nd get credit for a run scored? So, you make an out and get to start on 2nd...and get credit for scoring a run?

Do you like the rule? I have only ever seen this used in rec league softball leagues...just doesn't seem like it belongs anywhere near a professional level of the sport.

[Jr.]

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That is what I thought, but when listening to a discussion regarding the new minors rule two radio hosts stated it would be the leadoff man just goes to 2nd. Maybe that isn't what they meant, but I thought the rule had been tweaked. Regardless, it still creates issues. Does the runner who starts on 2nd get credit for a run scored? So, you make an out and get to start on 2nd...and get credit for scoring a run?

Do you like the rule? I have only ever seen this used in rec league softball leagues...just doesn't seem like it belongs anywhere near a professional level of the sport.

I don't care about the rule because I don't watch minor league baseball so I'll never have to worry about it. Everyone seems to be ignoring the reasoning given about the rule. Those reasons don't apply to major league baseball, which is why I think the worry about how this will affect the mlb level is worthless.

I just think people are overreacting like with all of the other changes that have happened that have not negatively affected the game.

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[Sportsforever]

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I don't care about the rule because I don't watch minor league baseball so I'll never have to worry about it. Everyone seems to be ignoring the reasoning given about the rule. Those reasons don't apply to major league baseball, which is why I think the worry about how this will affect the mlb level is worthless.

I just think people are overreacting like with all of the other changes that have happened that have not negatively affected the game.

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I hope you are right, but they specifically said they wanted to see this at the big league level and would "try it out" at the lower levels to see how it played out before implementing it. I have no doubt that Rob Manfred would LOVE to bring this to the big league level.

[steelerfan]

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Sometimes you try things and say they failed just to shut the bellyachers up. Hopefully, that's what baseball is doing here.

[DieHardYankee26]

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I hope you are right, but they specifically said they wanted to see this at the big league level and would "try it out" at the lower levels to see how it played out before implementing it. I have no doubt that Rob Manfred would LOVE to bring this to the big league level.

Who said that?

[Sportsforever]

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Who said that?

This article is just one I found from back during the WBC last year...

https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/report-mlb-testing-a-new-radical-extra-inning-rule-in-rookie-ball-to-shorten-games/

They also discussed it during the broadcast of WBC games...I didn't think this was unknown.

[TheMatrix31]

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Joe Torre himself has talked about its supposed benefits

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.mlb.com/216606210-joe-torre-extra-innings-rule-good-for-game.amp.html

Haven't been able to look at that moron as legitimate since.

[DieHardYankee26]

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This article is just one I found from back during the WBC last year...

https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/report-mlb-testing-a-new-radical-extra-inning-rule-in-rookie-ball-to-shorten-games/

They also discussed it during the broadcast of WBC games...I didn't think this was unknown.

I guess I just take a different message from that article...or the entire sequence of events where even rules Manfred had the opportunity to unilaterally put in place, he did not. I'm not worried about the majors, but agree with what he's saying about the minors. Do people want to sit around for an 18 inning AA game?