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[slickdtc]

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Honestly, it’s goofy one half of the league has it and one doesn’t when they play in the same league.

I understand that’s part of baseball’s charm. I mean heck, it’s technically two different leagues. It’s just weird when compared to other sports. That’s why some people like it, and that’s why others don’t.

[countryboy]

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I'd rather watch a hitter with a .800 OPS than a pitcher with a .200 OPS. I mean...there isn't any less strategy in the game and it's not an automatic out.

I used to be a staunch defender on NL rules but I'd love to see the DH next season. It's too much of an uneventful AB to me.

I bet Chipper could've lasted a couple more seasons if there was a DH, honestly.

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But there is less strategy by not having the pitcher bat.

Ex: Let's say its a scoreless game in the 7th inning and you have bases loaded with 1 out and the pitcher due up. The pitcher has thrown 7 scoreless innings of 2 hit baseball (both singles) and is carving up the lineup. You have a bullpen that is struggling. You have a decision to make. Do you pinch hit for the pitcher in hopes of not hitting into a double play but then remove a pitcher who has it that night in exchange for a bullpen that is struggling? Or do you leave the pitcher in and hope he doesn't hit into a double play. Or you could have him not swing and either strike out or hope for a walk. If he strikes out, you burn the out and then it takes a 2 out hit to score a run, or a defensive miscue.

Having the pitcher bat will always, at some point, put the manager into a decision making situation where he has to choose between offense or pitching.

[Caulfield]

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I dont mind it if pitchers dont bat, I just dont know why we need a 9th batter who couldn't field his way out of a wet paper bag. just use 8 batters and be done with it.

[Sportsforever]

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One thing the DH does is give AL teams an advantage in bidding for aging sluggers. For example, the Twins were comfortable going to 4 years with Donaldson since they know they can DH him. NL teams don’t have that kind of luxury...


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[Speedy]

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But there is less strategy by not having the pitcher bat.

Ex: Let's say its a scoreless game in the 7th inning and you have bases loaded with 1 out and the pitcher due up. The pitcher has thrown 7 scoreless innings of 2 hit baseball (both singles) and is carving up the lineup. You have a bullpen that is struggling. You have a decision to make. Do you pinch hit for the pitcher in hopes of not hitting into a double play but then remove a pitcher who has it that night in exchange for a bullpen that is struggling? Or do you leave the pitcher in and hope he doesn't hit into a double play. Or you could have him not swing and either strike out or hope for a walk. If he strikes out, you burn the out and then it takes a 2 out hit to score a run, or a defensive miscue.

Having the pitcher bat will always, at some point, put the manager into a decision making situation where he has to choose between offense or pitching.

Somebody here debunked this or showed an article proving strategy isn't impacted.

I thought like you beforehand.

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[Blzer]

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One thing the DH does is give AL teams an advantage in bidding for aging sluggers. For example, the Twins were comfortable going to 4 years with Donaldson since they know they can DH him. NL teams don’t have that kind of luxury...


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That's why I made a post once to give the league four years notice before it takes effect (someone stated it should be able to take effect the next season, but I disagree). I do not want it to, though.

I will not be a fan of watching DH ball with my Giants and Braves. I will obviously enjoy watching the game, but it is not my kind of game I like watching them play, except the occasional game in an AL ballpark (and even then I am "ugh" over it).

Note that I am not asking the AL to remove the DH. I like what they have, and I like what the NL has. Just stop ****ing with it already. They're ruining my undying passion for the league.

[countryboy]

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Somebody here debunked this or showed an article proving strategy isn't impacted.

I thought like you beforehand.

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Whether its accepted that its strategy or not, its still a decision that has to be made by the manager that has an impact on the game.

The DH takes this decision out of the game, and therefore a choice that has an impact on how the rest of the game unfolds.

[Blzer]

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Somebody here debunked this or showed an article proving strategy isn't impacted.

I thought like you beforehand.

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I'd like to see that article, because I'm not sure what you're talking about here. Proof of what?

I know some people say that having the DH has its own different strategies, and to that I'd agree but to a much lesser extent.

Whether its accepted that its strategy or not, its still a decision that has to be made by the manager that has an impact on the game.

The DH takes this decision out of the game, and therefore a choice that has an impact on how the rest of the game unfolds.

Exactly.

To add on what CB said in his situation, I'm sure my old post here kind of brings up one of the same things somewhere:

https://forums.operationsports.com/f...post2049428981

It's lineup management. Do you sacrifice using that position player now at the cost of not using him later, and if so do you burn that player for your new pitcher or do you remove another player to keep the pitcher's spot due up later in the lineup?

Also, forget that bases loaded situation, say there's just a runner on second base or something. Your starter is at 86 pitches, and this is a dire situation to drive in that runner. What do you do at that point as well? Heck, before that let's say you're on defense with the #8 hitter at-bat in that situation. Do you intentionally walk that batter and force the opposing team's hand to make a decision? Do you challenge that #8 hitter?

One of the best ones is when the defensive manager anticipates a pinch-hitter and warms up a lefty and a righty, so once that pinch-hitter is announced they can throw that pitcher whose handedness corresponds to that of the batter. Some offensive managers will remove that player and put in another pinch-hitter after that, effectively burning two of their position players.

There are so many things to consider in these situations, and I love thinking about it watching it on TV or at the ballpark (especially when I'm explaining to my mom why things will be played out a certain way in these scenarios).

In the American League, it's just: "Oh, he's tired? Bring another one in."

Players' careers or opportunities can be extended or utilized in several different ways. While aging offensive players can be used to DH, the combination of pinch-hitting/pinch-running and defensive replacing later in the game is a common way of working out some of your newer players. The hitting pitcher is also probably one of the last things that keeps the sacrifice bunt as an alive strategy in the game. Once it's essentially removed from the MLB it will trickle down into lower (youth) leagues to the point of near extinction. You can't tell me that this wouldn't happen.

I can go on about this forever, but my summer school class is coming back in!

[Jr.]

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I liked a modified DH rule I saw a while ago somewhere. You allow a DH for the starting pitcher, but once the SP is removed, the DH is also, so it turns into a traditional RP spot with pinch hitter situations.

Honestly I don't care either way. It's cool when a pitcher does something well at the plate, but I would be fine without them hitting, too.

[Caulfield]

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RE: the article proving strategy involving non-DH games aren't impacted -

the strategy employed by managers w/o benefit of the DH may be ineffective and doesn't impact the game, but nonetheless those managers do it anyway.

[Blzer]

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I liked a modified DH rule I saw a while ago somewhere. You allow a DH for the starting pitcher, but once the SP is removed, the DH is also, so it turns into a traditional RP spot with pinch hitter situations.

Honestly I don't care either way. It's cool when a pitcher does something well at the plate, but I would be fine without them hitting, too.

That's a trouble spot, though an interesting compromise. As the DH cannot be swapped mid-game, your Nelson Cruz's of the world may be out of the game by the 5th inning most days.

I don't think I can go with it, but then again I'm sitting here trying to figure out why anyone is trying to do anything about it. Never once had a pitcher injury from batting or baserunning swayed my decision in any sort of way to think we should do otherwise.

[dickey1331]

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I can’t wait until the NL gets a DH and joins the 21st century.


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[dubcity]

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Changing the rules because some people don't like the handful (at most) of pitcher ABs we see in each game feels so silly to me. It will net them zero new fans as a result.

[Caulfield]

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I don't think I can go with it, but then again I'm sitting here trying to figure out why anyone is trying to do anything about it. Never once had a pitcher injury from batting or baserunning swayed my decision in any sort of way to think we should do otherwise.

I wouldn't be surprised if Max Scherzer's Adventures in BP is part of the latest push.

Changing the rules because some people don't like the handful (at most) of pitcher ABs we see in each game feels so silly to me. It will net them zero new fans as a result.

sometimes I get the feelin MLB is the dog with a bone in its mouth barking at its own reflection in a puddle of water to scare the ‘‘other’’ dog into dropping its bone so that it can get two. normally I'm staunchly in favor of the Gordon Gekko credo ‘‘greed is good’’. but not in this instance.

[fugazi]

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t completely remove the mound, move the fences back in whichever stadiums it's possible by 20-30 feet, deaden the ball by redesigning the cork, fill the game back up with more doubles and triples, it'll result in less homers walks and strikeouts but the action will be infinitely more, with more webgems and extrabase hits.
Remember, come November, vote Kennesaw Mountain Caulfield as new Commissioner for life of Major League base ball ‘‘an extrabase hit in every pot and a webgem in every garage’’. this is my pledge to every fan interested in the return of the game of base ball.

Not for all these, but definitely for moving fences back...

#1 for me?

Move the batter's box just a little farther from the plate...half a baseball's width...

Give pitchers the ability to throw inside again...and the ability to throw a strike on the outer third of the plate and it not be in the wheelhouse.

edit: I think this would work to decrease the value of the shift...as oppo-field hitting should become more prevalent and valuable...add that to deeper ballparks, and I think you get a lot more movement.