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[SPTO]

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Queue up the legit strike chatter...

http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/25715085/mlb-payrolls-dropped-18-million-2018-first-decrease-2010

*sigh*

I've been saying this for a while now. This could get pretty ugly and it's not going to be a surprise when there's a work stoppage of some kind.

[kehlis]

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A strike would suck, but it wouldn't surprise me.

It would really suck and I hate to say this but it's probably necessary at this point.

[SPTO]

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It would really suck and I hate to say this but it's probably necessary at this point.

I feel like this is the one time where the owners can really break the players' backs. I feel like the leadership of today's PA is not as strong as it was back during the time of Maddux and Smoltz who were very smart and vocal. If there's indeed a work stoppage I actually think the player agents will have a big hand in it as well unlike in previous years where it was mostly an owners vs. players kind of deal.

[Rocket32]

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Yeah this is a problem. What's happening here is you're letting these sort of people move the needle on what makes someone a decent human being.

It isn't any better if it was a regular person. It's just as creepy and childish. Saying that people do this sort of thing all the time is a really bad way to excuse bad behavior.

I saw a similar comment on Reddit. Someone made some stupid inappropriate comment and got called out on it by a mod. And the guy tried to argue back that it's just regular online banter and this isn't the fifth grade where we need a teacher monitoring speech.

That's...I don't want to say dangerous but it's not good. We shouldn't be normalizing this stuff.

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That’s a fair point, you have me there. You didn’t address my main point though, which is that she isn’t the poor innocent girl that most sites I saw that covered it portray her as. Do you not disagree with that then? I geuss articles that make Bauer out to be the bad guy and the situation one sided are much less risky with potential backlash then being fair is.

Even if the way he chose to go back at her was wrong, it doesn’t change the fact that she originally replied to him with a comment that was obviously going to provoke him. She decided to continue and escalate the situation at first. She went back at him again as well until he dug up that old post.

Sorry, but you just can’t play the victim card after that. She had the chance to be mature herself and let it go, and she didn’t. I’m pretty sure she also later deleted her earliest tweets, which seems to me like hiding evidence against herself to possibly get more people on her side. Hiding how she contributed to it and is partially responsible for it reaching the point it did as a desperate attempt to salvage the situation and turn it back on him and make him look like the only one at fault, doing her best to fit the part of the victim.

[DieHardYankee26]

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It's just not that deep to me, it's not a civil trial lol. The only way I'd care about her, someone I don't know, is if she had done enough to justify his reaction. She didn't IMO, so she doesn't matter.

[CMH]

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That’s a fair point, you have me there. You didn’t address my main point though, which is that she isn’t the poor innocent girl that most sites I saw that covered it portray her as. Do you not disagree with that then? I geuss articles that make Bauer out to be the bad guy and the situation one sided are much less risky with potential backlash then being fair is.



Even if the way he chose to go back at her was wrong, it doesn’t change the fact that she originally replied to him with a comment that was obviously going to provoke him. She decided to continue and escalate the situation at first. She went back at him again as well until he dug up that old post.



Sorry, but you just can’t play the victim card after that. She had the chance to be mature herself and let it go, and she didn’t. I’m pretty sure she also later deleted her earliest tweets, which seems to me like hiding evidence against herself to possibly get more people on her side. Hiding how she contributed to it and is partially responsible for it reaching the point it did as a desperate attempt to salvage the situation and turn it back on him and make him look like the only one at fault, doing her best to fit the part of the victim.

I get what you're saying and no I don't excuse her for starting it if that's how we want to look at it.

I'm not saying she's a victim which is why I didn't really comment on that aspect of this.

My focus is on Bauer just being a better person instead of a petty one. It's likely she deserves the same criticism for her responses.

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[CMH]

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I feel like this is the one time where the owners can really break the players' backs. I feel like the leadership of today's PA is not as strong as it was back during the time of Maddux and Smoltz who were very smart and vocal. If there's indeed a work stoppage I actually think the player agents will have a big hand in it as well unlike in previous years where it was mostly an owners vs. players kind of deal.

I don't know what to think of this potential stoppage.

I think it's possible fans are more aware that the owners are pocketing money and acting cash strapped but - and not choosing a side here - but with the way things have escalated in today's political climate, I'm not sure I have any idea what the majority or minority of the people truly believe or support.

I feel like a large number of baseball fans should be upset that owners are suppressing salaries while raising ticket prices, but I also feel like it's inevitable that a previously unheard of large contingent of people will argue that owners should be allowed to spend their money however way they want including throwing it into a bank to collect interest.

I'm not sure either is right or wrong. And it's possible public opinion won't even matter because I don't know for sure that any side will be able to successfully pin fault on the other.

A work stoppage looks bad for everyone now. Players make a lot of money no matter how suppressed salaries might be and owners are pocketing money instead of reinvesting it into the teams.

I have a bad feeling if there's a strike, the players will fold and agree to either a true salary cap or a system that severely suppresses future salaries in order to give owners the illusion of control the NFL has. I don't have any basis for this other than the way I see free agency and promotion management working in the league today.

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[countryboy]

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Former Cardinal Chris Duncan is battling brain cancer

[SPTO]

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Yeah, I was listening to an interview with Jeff Passan and something he noted was that in the two richest contracts in baseball history the revenues in the game were far less than they are now yet the owners were willing and able to sign guys to ridiculous money (Well A-Rod in these two cases) In fact the 2nd A-Rod contract baseball revenues adjusted for inflation was at $5 billion dollars. Today that revenue is at $10 billion.

Basically Passan said that it's ok if owners want to reward the middle class and keep the top players' salaries down or vice versa but you can't do both which is what's happening right now. EVERYONE is being impacted by how the owners aren't willing to spend money commensurate with the revenues being generated. This isn't collusion as it's basically every organization thinking along the same lines of keeping costs low by relying heavily on young players and locking them up long term before they can go into free agency.

In short, the system is broken in terms of a fair shake for players while owners and GMs have manipulated it so well that they don't want to change a thing.

[Speedy]

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Revenue doesn't always tell the story...it's profit.

I'm curious what each team's "initial" net income is...so after operating costs (plus coach/GM salaries) are subtracted from the team's revenue, what is their net income. That's the amount they spend on player salary and I'd then be curious which teams have a higher % toward player salaries versus those preferring to cash in. I feel like that would tell the story of how owners are spending money.

I understand the proportion with the Yanks or Red Sox that they spend more to make more...I believe that would reflect when reviewing YOY spending.

[Caulfield]

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anybody seeing any 2019 fantasy magazines yet?
EDIT: in stores?

[TripleCrown9]

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Welp, the Giants now play at Oracle Park.

[ShowTyme15]

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Welp, the Giants now play at Oracle Park.

Not surprising. Saw this coming a few years back once the Warriors confirmed their move across the bay.

[Speedy]

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Welp, the Giants now play at Oracle Park.

What was it before again?

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[Jr.]

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What was it before again?

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AT&T

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