2015 MLB Hot Stove thread

[Blzer]

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I didn't even know Heyward was a free agent.

The only two teams I hope he would go to are the Giants or Braves. It would be amazing if the Giants got him: imagine Heyward and Pence on the same team. Wow!

I'd rather have Heyward over Greinke if that means the Giants keep Leake as well.

[ShowTyme15]

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Royals have acquired C/INF Tony Cruz from St. Louis in exchange for minor league infielder Jose Martinez.

[redsox4evur]

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I'm curious. What did people think Price was going to sign for? Less than Scherzer?

And to the Blue Jay fans who think this is a massive overpay on Boston's part: you do realize that Toronto's championship window is very small, don't you? The Jays are built to win right now, not 3-5 years from now. This is not the time for fiscal prudence on Toronto's part.

Yea like I posted earlier the contract really isn't that much of an overpayment. He was being talked about getting a contract around $200-$210 million. So it was only a $7 million overpayment.

[ShowTyme15]

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A's and Padres swap Yonder Alonso,Marc Rzepczynski for Drew Pomeranz and Jose Torres

[TripleCrown9]

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In the last 100 years, only 1 pitcher has a lower ERA at Fenway Park than David Price.

George H. Ruth.

[Redacted01]

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In the last 100 years, only 1 pitcher has a lower ERA at Fenway Park than David Price.

George H. Ruth.

The two problems I see with this.

1) Sample size. He's started 11 games in his career at Fenway. That's not even a season's worth of home games.

2) He got to pitch against Boston. I seem to remember some bad Boston teams the past few years. Last place teams don't put up a fight.

But I'm sure this wasn't meant to be serious, am I right?

[DrJones]

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I think it takes a catastrophic arm injury or serious under performance by one of the elite pitchers with that kind of contract.


BTW DrJones I don't think it's completely a matter of fiscal prudence that kept the Jays from blowing their budget like that but rather the fact that the team is in a precarious situation. The core of this team may get real old real fast if you start throwing money around to keep guys long term. There's also the matter of keeping an eye toward locking up Donaldson to a mega contract when the time comes for that. In short, I think the Jays are somewhat okay right now. As AC pointed out with his projections the starting rotation is on a par with the rotation last year. If the Jays can add decent bullpen arms and perhaps swing a deal for a quality SP than this team will be in good shape for a trade deadline tune up if they're still in the race next year.

It's not ALL doom and gloom though truth be told having Price as the ace to stop losing streaks and such would've been a great thing to have. I'm extremely high on Stroman and think he could bring that kind of mojo to the table.

The Sawx may have their ace but remember, the games are won on the field, not on paper.

Bautista, Encarnacion, and Dickey are all gone after 2016. (Or during 2016, if the Jays get off to a bad start.) The Jays have committed heavily to two players on the wrong side of 30 (Tulo, Martin) who will likely have problems staying healthy. Their best player is 30. (And is under club control through 2018 - Toronto would be nuts to give Donaldson a massive contract extension past that.) They have precious few prospects left to trade. The AL East is still there for the taking - for a season or two (the Yankees are going to spend A LOT of money once Sabathia, Teixeira, and A-Rod are off the books).

The Jays are one of the most obvious WIN RIGHT EFFING NOW OR NEVER teams I've ever seen. With an ace, they're World Series favourites. Instead, Jays fans are okay with, "Well, let's plug in freaking JA Happ and Jesse Chavez, hope everyone stays healthy (and doesn't regress), and see what happens?" That's insane. Have you forgotten the last 22 years? Gloating about the Red Sox being stuck with a mediocre Price for 2019-2022 will be cold comfort if the Jays are mired in mediocrity for the next decade or three. I just don't get it.

[redsox4evur]

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2) He got to pitch against Boston. I seem to remember some bad Boston teams the past few years. Last place teams don't put up a fight.

Eh...depends on the year. The WS year (2013) he fared pretty well against us. The collapse year (2011) once again fared pretty well and we were in teh hunt until September. 2012 not so good, which is surprising. 2010 and 14 he only had 1 start against us at Fenway. Both he gave up 2 runs. One game he had 2 ER, and the other only 1 ER. Won both games.

So long story short, when we were good he did pretty well against us and when we were bad he didn't do well against us.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/pl...Cpitch%7CIP%7C

[WaitTilNextYear]

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I think it takes a catastrophic arm injury or serious under performance by one of the elite pitchers with that kind of contract.


BTW DrJones I don't think it's completely a matter of fiscal prudence that kept the Jays from blowing their budget like that but rather the fact that the team is in a precarious situation. The core of this team may get real old real fast if you start throwing money around to keep guys long term. There's also the matter of keeping an eye toward locking up Donaldson to a mega contract when the time comes for that. In short, I think the Jays are somewhat okay right now. As AC pointed out with his projections the starting rotation is on a par with the rotation last year. If the Jays can add decent bullpen arms and perhaps swing a deal for a quality SP than this team will be in good shape for a trade deadline tune up if they're still in the race next year.

Is that (bolded part) a good thing? Don't they need to get better to complement that offense?

I didn't even know Heyward was a free agent.

The only two teams I hope he would go to are the Giants or Braves. It would be amazing if the Giants got him: imagine Heyward and Pence on the same team. Wow!

I'd rather have Heyward over Greinke if that means the Giants keep Leake as well.

I still think Heyward is an outside possibility for the Cubs if they swing a young OF for cheap, young SP deal (like I think they might) to open a spot. We've got some guys (McKinney, Happ, Almora) that project to be MLB players, but no one that is a lock like Bryant was--thus no reason to hold an open spot. Heyward would check all of the boxes the Cubs need in RF for the forseeable future. The question is how rich will his deal need to be? No with extreme prejudice to anything approaching 10 years and/or $200MM.

In the last 100 years, only 1 pitcher has a lower ERA at Fenway Park than David Price.

George H. Ruth.

The reverse-curse of the Price-bino?

[NYJets]

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No idea why teams give these opt out clauses. Already offering the most money isn't enough?

[TripleCrown9]

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The two problems I see with this.

1) Sample size. He's started 11 games in his career at Fenway. That's not even a season's worth of home games.

2) He got to pitch against Boston. I seem to remember some bad Boston teams the past few years. Last place teams don't put up a fight.

But I'm sure this wasn't meant to be serious, am I right?

Ruth only started 73 games at Fenway.

[redsox4evur]

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No idea why teams give these opt out clauses. Already offering the most money isn't enough?

Maybe the player wants it in his contract. He knows he has pitched of late and it's fantastic and wants to take a little risk and if it doesn't pan out like he wants then he just doesn't opt out and takes the full 7 years and 217 million. But if he continues to pitch at high level, especially in that third year he opts out and gets himself one last 5-6 year contract ala Zack Greinke this offseason.

[ShowTyme15]

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New Padres uniforms.

http://mlb.nbcsports.com/2015/12/02/the-padres-have-new-uniforms-will-be-wearing-the-brown-on-fridays/

[PhilliesFan13]

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Phillies claim Peter Bourjos off waivers from the Cardinals and lose Nefi Ogando on waivers to the Marlins.

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[BatsareBugs]

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New Padres uniforms.

http://mlb.nbcsports.com/2015/12/02/the-padres-have-new-uniforms-will-be-wearing-the-brown-on-fridays/

Brace yourselves, the brown is finally coming back. I'm definitely getting the alternate brown jersey.