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  • Blzer
    Resident film pundit
    • Mar 2004
    • 42520

    #1141
    Re: 2015 MLB Hot Stove thread

    Originally posted by DieHardYankee26
    What part of his "true self" did he expose? That he took the JOB that paid him the most? Is that not par for the course in life?

    At 32 in baseball (which is the life equivalent of 50 and preparing to retire in the next stage of your life), what exactly should be the driving factor in him looking at these offers?
    Long story short (EDIT: too late), I've seen people chase money before in all walks of life to yield unsatisfactory results for themselves or their company. In the past four seasons under Magic's ownership where the Giants have won two championships and the Dodgers have not won a pennant, I truly believe there has been a cancerous clubhouse effect with certain individuals within that organization. Mattingly, Puig, and H. Ramirez may have been the largest parts of it, who knows... I'm not saying the Dodgers can't win with these players, I'm just saying the front office decidedly picked individuals to place on a field and wished them the best of luck, when we know this has faltered many times recently (Marlins, Blue Jays, Tigers, Red Sox, Mariners, Padres)... anyway, you have players willingly walking from that team despite the money, and you have players like Greinke just asking, "How many zeros are on this check? Okay, I'll go with them."

    And keep in mind, I'm not saying Arizona is a bad organization at all and there aren't possibly other reasons that Greinke might have joined with them. But you can tell he walked away from his last team with ease without needing to bat an eye just to consider going to not one but two division rivals, one which is championed with strength in numbers on the club and in the fan base, in a pitcher's park no less... and he rejected them as well. I just know that money spoke the most.

    Don't try and look too much into it. It just rubs me the wrong way. It just does. I can't explain myself well enough, therefore we can just place this as an "uncommon opinion." Though this wouldn't be the first time somebody has taken a single instance about somebody and has made it define their impression of them for the rest of their lives. It happens on this very message board, even regarding myself. I wish it could be explained better or perhaps better resolved.

    All told, I'm not only glad the Giants didn't get Greinke, but I can't wait for them to have the chance to rake against him on the field... though the opposite is extremely more likely to occur.
    Last edited by Blzer; 12-05-2015, 12:03 PM.
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    • AC
      Win the East
      • Sep 2010
      • 14951

      #1142
      Re: 2015 MLB Hot Stove thread

      Originally posted by Sportsforever
      Well, Grienke is 5 years younger a much better pitcher, so I'd expect him to get soooooooooo much more than Lackey. They really aren't even in the same ballpark to even compare.
      Okay, but I would rather pay a pitcher like Lackey a decent amount for a great performance over the next two years than a pitcher like Greinke a **** ton for the next 6 years for elite performance for a couple of those years. We all know how that contract is going to end up looking.
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      • Speedy
        #Ace
        • Apr 2008
        • 16143

        #1143
        Re: 2015 MLB Hot Stove thread

        Originally posted by PhilliesFan13
        Barry Bonds officially named Marlins hitting coach.

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        Anybody else think he talks like Mike Tyson?

        ...maybe that's just me.
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        Anyone who asked for an ETA is not being Master of their Domain.
        It's hard though...especially when I got my neighbor playing their franchise across the street...maybe I will occupy myself with Glamore Magazine.

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        • Blzer
          Resident film pundit
          • Mar 2004
          • 42520

          #1144
          Re: 2015 MLB Hot Stove thread

          Originally posted by Speedy
          Anybody else think he talks like Mike Tyson?

          ...maybe that's just me.
          I think we can all agree he sounds goofy haha.
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          • Blzer
            Resident film pundit
            • Mar 2004
            • 42520

            #1145
            Re: 2015 MLB Hot Stove thread

            Originally posted by AC
            Okay, but I would rather pay a pitcher like Lackey a decent amount for a great performance over the next two years than a pitcher like Greinke a **** ton for the next 6 years for elite performance for a couple of those years. We all know how that contract is going to end up looking.
            Greinke might become one of the best 38 year olds to ever give that chunk of money to, though. When his fastball dips down to 89 MPH or so, he'll still know how to get guys out. He's not exclusively a power pitcher or anything like that, so I have faith in the contract working. I mean, it's a lot of money and he's in a hitter's park... but I still say it's not unreasonable for someone like him compared to any other 32 year old in the league.
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            • Jr.
              Playgirl Coverboy
              • Feb 2003
              • 19171

              #1146
              Re: 2015 MLB Hot Stove thread

              Originally posted by AC
              Okay, but I would rather pay a pitcher like Lackey a decent amount for a great performance over the next two years than a pitcher like Greinke a **** ton for the next 6 years for elite performance for a couple of those years. We all know how that contract is going to end up looking.
              If Lackey can be great at 37/38, why can't Grienke?

              If Grienke is supposed to have some drop off at the end of this contract, why can't Lackey have that next year?
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              • Gronk4M13
                MVP
                • Apr 2012
                • 3495

                #1147
                Re: 2015 MLB Hot Stove thread

                RHP Jeff Samardzija agreed to a five-year deal with San Francisco, pending a physical, the team announced. The deal is reportedly worth $90M. Samardzija spent last season with the White Sox, where he went 11-13.
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                • Blzer
                  Resident film pundit
                  • Mar 2004
                  • 42520

                  #1148
                  Re: 2015 MLB Hot Stove thread

                  Shoot. I'll gladly take Samardzija, but I just hope that doesn't mean we miss out on Leake.
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                  • The Kid 24
                    It's Show Time!
                    • Jan 2007
                    • 14765

                    #1149
                    Re: 2015 MLB Hot Stove thread

                    Originally posted by Blzer
                    Shoot. I'll gladly take Samardzija, but I just hope that doesn't mean we miss out on Leake.
                    Sounds like u guys have a lot of money to spend... Since missing out on Zack, gonna go after 2 SPs... Already got one in Shark and I bet Leake isnt far behind.

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                    • k_mac
                      MVP
                      • Mar 2011
                      • 2059

                      #1150
                      Re: 2015 MLB Hot Stove thread

                      Looks like the Cubs are looking for a "top closer" and exploring trade options.

                      Curious to see how this ends up.

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                      • SPTO
                        binging
                        • Feb 2003
                        • 68046

                        #1151
                        Re: 2015 MLB Hot Stove thread

                        I bet Dave Righetti will get a lot out of Shark over those 5 years. Good deal for both sides I think.
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                        • Jr.
                          Playgirl Coverboy
                          • Feb 2003
                          • 19171

                          #1152
                          Re: 2015 MLB Hot Stove thread

                          Originally posted by k_mac
                          Looks like the Cubs are looking for a "top closer" and exploring trade options.

                          Curious to see how this ends up.
                          I thought Rondon was a "top closer" already.
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                          • k_mac
                            MVP
                            • Mar 2011
                            • 2059

                            #1153
                            Re: 2015 MLB Hot Stove thread

                            Originally posted by Jr.
                            I thought Rondon was a "top closer" already.

                            Right? I'd be all for adding another solid bullpen piece, but if adding a "top closer" means giving up a Kimbrel-type package, then no way.

                            Another report (not sure if it was mentioned here or not) by Bruce Levine said that Wei-Yin Chen was a "hot topic" for the Cubs. Not sure how I feel about that either.. If we're going after another SP I'd check in on Kazmir, but I'm not making those decisions.

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                            • WaitTilNextYear
                              Go Cubs Go
                              • Mar 2013
                              • 16830

                              #1154
                              Re: 2015 MLB Hot Stove thread

                              Originally posted by Sportsforever
                              All this money being thrown around...and Colin Cowherd or some other NFL loving analyst will tell me "baseball is dying".
                              Referring to Cowherd as an "analyst" is about the most generous stretch of any word I've ever seen in the English language. It's a total mystery how some people reach prominence, but he's a prominent talking head. An analyst, sir, he is not. I'm sure you aren't necessarily implying Cowherd is credible, but gives me the heebie jeebies.

                              Originally posted by k_mac
                              Right? I'd be all for adding another solid bullpen piece, but if adding a "top closer" means giving up a Kimbrel-type package, then no way.

                              Another report (not sure if it was mentioned here or not) by Bruce Levine said that Wei-Yin Chen was a "hot topic" for the Cubs. Not sure how I feel about that either.. If we're going after another SP I'd check in on Kazmir, but I'm not making those decisions.
                              Top closer...Aroldis Chapman? Can't be Kimbrel. Don't think the Twins would trade Perkins. Cards would definitely not trade us Rosenthal.

                              Please don't be Papelbon...although Theo and Jeddie can't help themselves sometimes with former Sox/Padres...

                              As for the Wei-Yin Chen part...yes, please. More trades with Baltimore. Yes. I like how the previous one turned out.
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                              • TheMatrix31
                                RF
                                • Jul 2002
                                • 52920

                                #1155
                                Re: 2015 MLB Hot Stove thread

                                Not particularly enamored with Samardzjia. I dunno.

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