Yankees-Red Sox ALCS Thread

[GaloTorres]

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without his 2 run homer you guys may have lost game 2, without his great d, this game could have been a lot closer.

yeah ok. u are going to tell me that olerud is the difference i dont think so. sure he hit the game winning homerun for the lead. but sorry the yankees would have found a way to win it. dont you know that we own the sox. give it up with the excuses/we own that team.

[nkhera1]

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yeah ok. u are going to tell me that olerud is the difference i dont think so. sure he hit the game winning homerun for the lead. but sorry the yankees would have found a way to win it. dont you know that we own the sox. give it up with the excuses/we own that team.

you assume they would have, but anything could have happened. Steinbrenner could have had a heart attack, and then the yankees would probably have a payroll in the the 120 million dollar range, and the yanks may not have made the playoffs next year. I mean they are expected to win. Their payroll is so much higher then anyone elses, and yet they almost lost to the twins whose payroll is about 1/4.

[nkhera1]

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yeah ok. u are going to tell me that olerud is the difference i dont think so. sure he hit the game winning homerun for the lead. but sorry the yankees would have found a way to win it. dont you know that we own the sox. give it up with the excuses/we own that team.

you assume they would have, but anything could have happened. Steinbrenner could have had a heart attack, and then the yankees would probably have a payroll in the the 120 million dollar range, and the yanks may not have made the playoffs next year. I mean they are expected to win. Their payroll is so much higher then anyone elses, and yet they almost lost to the twins whose payroll is about 1/4.

[Mr_Blonde]

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forget the fact that he is a great hitter. he is a great defensive player and has a great arm. we need to improve the defense and he is a great player. if we can get him lets do it.

Exactly. We don't NEED his offense. That's just a bonus. So why not go out after a guy who plays great defense, a good contact hitter, but doesn't hit as many HR (we really don't need another 35 HR), who would also be a lot cheaper?

This isn't like Sheffield, our offense sucked last year and was the reason we lost in the WS. Offense is the least of our worries.

Give me 2-3 new starters, a good lefty out of the pen, and a solid CF and I'm satisfied.

[Armitage]

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i read about that on espn. He is doing the same thing as in the 80s meaning spending a lot, and having virtually no prospects.

Yup..

Unlike back then now.. he's not.. well.. boned when the older players he has retire. The Yankees lack prospects... on their own team. They have plenty of prospects elsewhere. The Yankees became a lot more aggressive with cherry picking from other teams around the league after they won a couple of World Series.. the Yankees before then built teams like every other successful team did.. building from within and adding pieces here and there(O'Neill/Tino/Clemens). You can't honestly build a team just from the farm system, really... but the Yankees have just went crazy with getting everyone else from around baseball.

I'm a fan of the Mets, a free spending team(with as intelligent of a front office as the 80s Yankees, obviously.. (Victor Zambrano... WTF??).. but I'm calling for a salary cap, bigtime. It's getting pretty ridiculous with the spending most of the big market teams do nowadays. It's almost as nobody learned anything from the two strikes in the last decade. The luxury tax is a bad idea and doesn't affect a thing.

Since it all comes down to money nowadays.. greedy owners, players, and agents, etc.. if some of the smaller-market owners with big pockets really wanted to spend, they could beat Steinbrenner to the bigger named free agents. How they would do on the field is another story, of course. As it stands right now, building a team through the farm system for most teams is pointless. Why bother? The Yankees/Sox/Mets/etc.. of the world will end up grabbing 'em down the road anyway.

Sorry for the rants, but... well.. this series got as interesting as watching paint dry :P, you guys have heard it all before I'm sure

P.S. I think any sort of cap should give leeway to teams over the cap to retain their own players. Imagine a cap kind of like the NBA.. if you will. Just gotta hope unlike the NBA, the mid level players don't start asking for too huge of salaries . Things do look good on paper sometimes, though..

[Mr_Blonde]

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forget the fact that he is a great hitter. he is a great defensive player and has a great arm. we need to improve the defense and he is a great player. if we can get him lets do it.

Exactly. We don't NEED his offense. That's just a bonus. So why not go out after a guy who plays great defense, a good contact hitter, but doesn't hit as many HR (we really don't need another 35 HR), who would also be a lot cheaper?

This isn't like Sheffield, our offense sucked last year and was the reason we lost in the WS. Offense is the least of our worries.

Give me 2-3 new starters, a good lefty out of the pen, and a solid CF and I'm satisfied.

[Armitage]

Re: Yankees-Red Sox ALCS Thread

i read about that on espn. He is doing the same thing as in the 80s meaning spending a lot, and having virtually no prospects.

Yup..

Unlike back then now.. he's not.. well.. boned when the older players he has retire. The Yankees lack prospects... on their own team. They have plenty of prospects elsewhere. The Yankees became a lot more aggressive with cherry picking from other teams around the league after they won a couple of World Series.. the Yankees before then built teams like every other successful team did.. building from within and adding pieces here and there(O'Neill/Tino/Clemens). You can't honestly build a team just from the farm system, really... but the Yankees have just went crazy with getting everyone else from around baseball.

I'm a fan of the Mets, a free spending team(with as intelligent of a front office as the 80s Yankees, obviously.. (Victor Zambrano... WTF??).. but I'm calling for a salary cap, bigtime. It's getting pretty ridiculous with the spending most of the big market teams do nowadays. It's almost as nobody learned anything from the two strikes in the last decade. The luxury tax is a bad idea and doesn't affect a thing.

Since it all comes down to money nowadays.. greedy owners, players, and agents, etc.. if some of the smaller-market owners with big pockets really wanted to spend, they could beat Steinbrenner to the bigger named free agents. How they would do on the field is another story, of course. As it stands right now, building a team through the farm system for most teams is pointless. Why bother? The Yankees/Sox/Mets/etc.. of the world will end up grabbing 'em down the road anyway.

Sorry for the rants, but... well.. this series got as interesting as watching paint dry :P, you guys have heard it all before I'm sure

P.S. I think any sort of cap should give leeway to teams over the cap to retain their own players. Imagine a cap kind of like the NBA.. if you will. Just gotta hope unlike the NBA, the mid level players don't start asking for too huge of salaries . Things do look good on paper sometimes, though..

[Misfit]

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I hope everyone in the Red Sox clubhouse is thoroughly embarrassed after tonight. They shouldn't bother taking the field tomorrow, just give the Yankees the penant and be done with it. Its time for New Englanders to pay more attention to the real winners, the New England Patriots who put their streak up against the Superbowl hopeful Seatle Seahawks tomorrow.

[Misfit]

Re: Yankees-Red Sox ALCS Thread

I hope everyone in the Red Sox clubhouse is thoroughly embarrassed after tonight. They shouldn't bother taking the field tomorrow, just give the Yankees the penant and be done with it. Its time for New Englanders to pay more attention to the real winners, the New England Patriots who put their streak up against the Superbowl hopeful Seatle Seahawks tomorrow.

[nkhera1]

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one thing i have to give steinbrenner credit for is that he is willing to spend money. Look at the twins owner, he is worth 2 billion i think and yet he is so stingy.

[nkhera1]

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one thing i have to give steinbrenner credit for is that he is willing to spend money. Look at the twins owner, he is worth 2 billion i think and yet he is so stingy.

[kodiak]

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The Yankees win the World Series and Sheff is most likely done. That moves Bernie to right and lets Carlos roam in center. If Sheff gets the WS and MVP, he will be done. The funny thing is the Yanks and Cards have some eerie similarities since the last time these two teams met up. The Yanks were on the beginning of their decline and the same can be said for this team. The pitching is average and not getting any younger. Even signing Pedro does not eliminate that. Unless they get some young talent the Yanks will tail off. People forget that Jeter, Bernie, and Pettite came up through the farm system. Well now George is back to his old habits from the eary 80's. Trade all that young talent to get a star. It cost us big in the 80's and ealry 90's and will end up costing us again.


EDIT: Of course I am going to enjoy this as long as I can. Now hopefully the Cards can close out Houston and we finish off Boston since I have tix to game 3 here in STL.

[kodiak]

Re: Yankees-Red Sox ALCS Thread

The Yankees win the World Series and Sheff is most likely done. That moves Bernie to right and lets Carlos roam in center. If Sheff gets the WS and MVP, he will be done. The funny thing is the Yanks and Cards have some eerie similarities since the last time these two teams met up. The Yanks were on the beginning of their decline and the same can be said for this team. The pitching is average and not getting any younger. Even signing Pedro does not eliminate that. Unless they get some young talent the Yanks will tail off. People forget that Jeter, Bernie, and Pettite came up through the farm system. Well now George is back to his old habits from the eary 80's. Trade all that young talent to get a star. It cost us big in the 80's and ealry 90's and will end up costing us again.


EDIT: Of course I am going to enjoy this as long as I can. Now hopefully the Cards can close out Houston and we finish off Boston since I have tix to game 3 here in STL.

[RailStone]

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i keep hearing beltrans name all over the place. what are the chances he re-signs with houston?

[RailStone]

Re: Yankees-Red Sox ALCS Thread

i keep hearing beltrans name all over the place. what are the chances he re-signs with houston?