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  • rsox
    All Star
    • Feb 2003
    • 6309

    #16
    Re: Roberto Alomar Retires

    I don't think he will be a first ballott, but then again, he might. Depending on who else retires after this season, if the class is as weak as it was this past year he could make it on the first try.

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    • rsox
      All Star
      • Feb 2003
      • 6309

      #17
      Re: Roberto Alomar Retires

      I don't think he will be a first ballott, but then again, he might. Depending on who else retires after this season, if the class is as weak as it was this past year he could make it on the first try.

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      • VanCitySportsGuy
        NYG_Meth
        • Feb 2003
        • 9351

        #18
        Re: Roberto Alomar Retires

        I can't believe you guys are saying he probably won't be a first ballot HoF'er.

        Robbie is a lock for entering the HoF 5 years from now. You're talking about a 10 time gold glover (won several of those on artificial turf), 12 time all-star, he ranks in the top 50 in hits, stolen bases, and doubles.

        I believe he's better than the numbers he put up. Easily one of the smartest ball players I've seen.

        It's too bad some people will bring up the incident with Hirschbeck. They've both moved on from that incident, and hopefully the voters don't knock him for that.

        I'm excitied for Robbie being the first player to enter the HoF as a Blue Jay. Best trade in franchise history was McGriff and Fernandez for Carter and Alomar.

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        • VanCitySportsGuy
          NYG_Meth
          • Feb 2003
          • 9351

          #19
          Re: Roberto Alomar Retires

          I can't believe you guys are saying he probably won't be a first ballot HoF'er.

          Robbie is a lock for entering the HoF 5 years from now. You're talking about a 10 time gold glover (won several of those on artificial turf), 12 time all-star, he ranks in the top 50 in hits, stolen bases, and doubles.

          I believe he's better than the numbers he put up. Easily one of the smartest ball players I've seen.

          It's too bad some people will bring up the incident with Hirschbeck. They've both moved on from that incident, and hopefully the voters don't knock him for that.

          I'm excitied for Robbie being the first player to enter the HoF as a Blue Jay. Best trade in franchise history was McGriff and Fernandez for Carter and Alomar.

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          • mjb2124
            Hall Of Fame
            • Aug 2002
            • 13649

            #20
            Re: Roberto Alomar Retires

            Originally posted by asianflow
            I can't believe you guys are saying he probably won't be a first ballot HoF'er.
            It really depends on who else is eligible that year.

            Alomar might have one thing going against him (and it's not the ump incident). He never got to 3000 hits. While only 276 hits short, some of these voters seem to put a HUGE emphasis on a hitter like Alomar reaching the magical 3000 hit number to be a 1st ballot HOF'er. I'm not saying it's right - Alomar was very good in many other areas of his game - but I can see that being an issue for some voters.

            In any case, he's definately HOF material IMO, but I'd have to see the eligible players for that year before making a decisive decision.

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            • mjb2124
              Hall Of Fame
              • Aug 2002
              • 13649

              #21
              Re: Roberto Alomar Retires

              Originally posted by asianflow
              I can't believe you guys are saying he probably won't be a first ballot HoF'er.
              It really depends on who else is eligible that year.

              Alomar might have one thing going against him (and it's not the ump incident). He never got to 3000 hits. While only 276 hits short, some of these voters seem to put a HUGE emphasis on a hitter like Alomar reaching the magical 3000 hit number to be a 1st ballot HOF'er. I'm not saying it's right - Alomar was very good in many other areas of his game - but I can see that being an issue for some voters.

              In any case, he's definately HOF material IMO, but I'd have to see the eligible players for that year before making a decisive decision.

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              • TheLetterZ
                All Star
                • Jul 2002
                • 6752

                #22
                Re: Roberto Alomar Retires

                I think he should be a first ballot HOFer but probably won't be.

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                • TheLetterZ
                  All Star
                  • Jul 2002
                  • 6752

                  #23
                  Re: Roberto Alomar Retires

                  I think he should be a first ballot HOFer but probably won't be.

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                  • SPTO
                    binging
                    • Feb 2003
                    • 68046

                    #24
                    Re: Roberto Alomar Retires

                    Originally posted by joeboo
                    It really depends on who else is eligible that year.

                    Alomar might have one thing going against him (and it's not the ump incident). He never got to 3000 hits. While only 276 hits short, some of these voters seem to put a HUGE emphasis on a hitter like Alomar reaching the magical 3000 hit number to be a 1st ballot HOF'er. I'm not saying it's right - Alomar was very good in many other areas of his game - but I can see that being an issue for some voters.
                    Historically the 2B position is one that hasn't been known for explosive offense. So I think that diminishes the whole 3000 hits argument in my mind. I think that Alomar was as good if not better then Joe Morgan who didn't make 3000 hits in his career. He wasn't first ballot either but that was because the '89 class was LOADED with Al Barlick, Johnny Bench, Red Schoendienst, and Carl Yastrzemski.

                    As you said it depends on the class 5 yrs from now but if it's a weak one maybe Robbie has a chance. I said that I don't think he'll be first ballot if the eligible that year are first class guys or if some guys got squeezed out in previous years are voted in.
                    Member of the Official OS Bills Backers Club

                    "Baseball is the most important thing that doesn't matter at all" - Robert B. Parker

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                    • SPTO
                      binging
                      • Feb 2003
                      • 68046

                      #25
                      Re: Roberto Alomar Retires

                      Originally posted by joeboo
                      It really depends on who else is eligible that year.

                      Alomar might have one thing going against him (and it's not the ump incident). He never got to 3000 hits. While only 276 hits short, some of these voters seem to put a HUGE emphasis on a hitter like Alomar reaching the magical 3000 hit number to be a 1st ballot HOF'er. I'm not saying it's right - Alomar was very good in many other areas of his game - but I can see that being an issue for some voters.
                      Historically the 2B position is one that hasn't been known for explosive offense. So I think that diminishes the whole 3000 hits argument in my mind. I think that Alomar was as good if not better then Joe Morgan who didn't make 3000 hits in his career. He wasn't first ballot either but that was because the '89 class was LOADED with Al Barlick, Johnny Bench, Red Schoendienst, and Carl Yastrzemski.

                      As you said it depends on the class 5 yrs from now but if it's a weak one maybe Robbie has a chance. I said that I don't think he'll be first ballot if the eligible that year are first class guys or if some guys got squeezed out in previous years are voted in.
                      Member of the Official OS Bills Backers Club

                      "Baseball is the most important thing that doesn't matter at all" - Robert B. Parker

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                      • BigTim
                        MVP
                        • Feb 2004
                        • 615

                        #26
                        Re: Roberto Alomar Retires

                        Im just glad Jorge Cantu is going to get his shot. Also, maybe will make the Rays bring Upton back up the big club.

                        Cantu IMO is going to be a career 280 hitter who gets the hits when needed, which is something that the D-Rays are going to need in a few years when they start to make their push out of mediocrity.

                        Robbie going to the HOF...hell yes, hes IMO the best 2B of modern baseball, but probably wont be 1st ballot(unless as others have said, he goes against a weak class).

                        Unless Roger retires between now and the season opener hes not going to be there, and no one of note retired this offseason(except for Olerud, right?), same with last offseason, unless the obvious is escaping me. Thats a 2 year period of mediocre retirements, so off the bat, chances look good for a 1st ballot enshrinement. Yes, I know there are other forces involved.

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                        • BigTim
                          MVP
                          • Feb 2004
                          • 615

                          #27
                          Re: Roberto Alomar Retires

                          Im just glad Jorge Cantu is going to get his shot. Also, maybe will make the Rays bring Upton back up the big club.

                          Cantu IMO is going to be a career 280 hitter who gets the hits when needed, which is something that the D-Rays are going to need in a few years when they start to make their push out of mediocrity.

                          Robbie going to the HOF...hell yes, hes IMO the best 2B of modern baseball, but probably wont be 1st ballot(unless as others have said, he goes against a weak class).

                          Unless Roger retires between now and the season opener hes not going to be there, and no one of note retired this offseason(except for Olerud, right?), same with last offseason, unless the obvious is escaping me. Thats a 2 year period of mediocre retirements, so off the bat, chances look good for a 1st ballot enshrinement. Yes, I know there are other forces involved.

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                          • mjb2124
                            Hall Of Fame
                            • Aug 2002
                            • 13649

                            #28
                            Re: Roberto Alomar Retires

                            Originally posted by SportsmanTO
                            Historically the 2B position is one that hasn't been known for explosive offense. So I think that diminishes the whole 3000 hits argument in my mind. I think that Alomar was as good if not better then Joe Morgan who didn't make 3000 hits in his career. He wasn't first ballot either but that was because the '89 class was LOADED with Al Barlick, Johnny Bench, Red Schoendienst, and Carl Yastrzemski.

                            As you said it depends on the class 5 yrs from now but if it's a weak one maybe Robbie has a chance. I said that I don't think he'll be first ballot if the eligible that year are first class guys or if some guys got squeezed out in previous years are voted in.
                            Good point. I really didn't factor the position into it. I basically looked at it from the standpoint that a HR hitter needs 500 HR's, slap hitter needs 3000 hits and a pitcher needs 300 victories to be an absolute shoein 1st ballot HOF'er. Needless to say, I didn't bother looking very deeply into it!

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                            • mjb2124
                              Hall Of Fame
                              • Aug 2002
                              • 13649

                              #29
                              Re: Roberto Alomar Retires

                              Originally posted by SportsmanTO
                              Historically the 2B position is one that hasn't been known for explosive offense. So I think that diminishes the whole 3000 hits argument in my mind. I think that Alomar was as good if not better then Joe Morgan who didn't make 3000 hits in his career. He wasn't first ballot either but that was because the '89 class was LOADED with Al Barlick, Johnny Bench, Red Schoendienst, and Carl Yastrzemski.

                              As you said it depends on the class 5 yrs from now but if it's a weak one maybe Robbie has a chance. I said that I don't think he'll be first ballot if the eligible that year are first class guys or if some guys got squeezed out in previous years are voted in.
                              Good point. I really didn't factor the position into it. I basically looked at it from the standpoint that a HR hitter needs 500 HR's, slap hitter needs 3000 hits and a pitcher needs 300 victories to be an absolute shoein 1st ballot HOF'er. Needless to say, I didn't bother looking very deeply into it!

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                              • deeman11747
                                G-M*nnnn
                                • Feb 2003
                                • 3194

                                #30
                                Re: Roberto Alomar Retires

                                A fantastic career (before the Mets) shadowed by one disgraceful moment.

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