Roberto Alomar Retires

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Roberto Alomar will be a 1st ballot HOF.

Anyone who thinks otherwise is kidding themselves.

What have you done for me lately?

The only way voters remember players as "elite" is if they accomplished something significant during the course of their career (e.g. 3,000 hits, 300 Wins, 500 HRs, etc.).

Alomar didn't accomplish any of these "major" milestones and his production fell off so rapidly that I think those factors coupled with the spitting incident will cost him the votes required to gain election on his first year of eligibility. I'm not saying it's right or wrong, just fact.

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Re: Roberto Alomar Retires

Roberto Alomar will be a 1st ballot HOF.

Anyone who thinks otherwise is kidding themselves.

What have you done for me lately?

The only way voters remember players as "elite" is if they accomplished something significant during the course of their career (e.g. 3,000 hits, 300 Wins, 500 HRs, etc.).

Alomar didn't accomplish any of these "major" milestones and his production fell off so rapidly that I think those factors coupled with the spitting incident will cost him the votes required to gain election on his first year of eligibility. I'm not saying it's right or wrong, just fact.

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Roberto Alomar will be a 1st ballot HOF.

Anyone who thinks otherwise is kidding themselves.

I guess you know every player that's going to be eligible to go to the HOF that year? You do realize that you have to have a % of the vote to get in and if the eligible class is strong, the votes will be spread out. If the class is strong, he's not getting in 1st ballot.

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Re: Roberto Alomar Retires

Roberto Alomar will be a 1st ballot HOF.

Anyone who thinks otherwise is kidding themselves.

I guess you know every player that's going to be eligible to go to the HOF that year? You do realize that you have to have a % of the vote to get in and if the eligible class is strong, the votes will be spread out. If the class is strong, he's not getting in 1st ballot.

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I guess you know every player that's going to be eligible to go to the HOF that year? You do realize that you have to have a % of the vote to get in and if the eligible class is strong, the votes will be spread out. If the class is strong, he's not getting in 1st ballot.

Along those lines....

The only players that could possibly retire this year and have at least a decent shot at the HOF are:

Barry Bonds (HOF lock, 'roids or not)
Rafael Palmeiro (HOF lock)
Larry Walker (borderline HOF)
Craig Biggio (HOF near-lock)
Fred McGriff (borderline HOF)
Roger Clemens (do I even have to say it?)
Greg Maddux (see above)
Tom Glavine (likely HOF)
David Wells (borderline HOF)

Not saying any or all of these guys will retire this year, but it is highly possible two or more could hang them up (Clemens, Palmeiro) that will make the selection a little more difficult for guys in Alomar's position.

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I guess you know every player that's going to be eligible to go to the HOF that year? You do realize that you have to have a % of the vote to get in and if the eligible class is strong, the votes will be spread out. If the class is strong, he's not getting in 1st ballot.

Along those lines....

The only players that could possibly retire this year and have at least a decent shot at the HOF are:

Barry Bonds (HOF lock, 'roids or not)
Rafael Palmeiro (HOF lock)
Larry Walker (borderline HOF)
Craig Biggio (HOF near-lock)
Fred McGriff (borderline HOF)
Roger Clemens (do I even have to say it?)
Greg Maddux (see above)
Tom Glavine (likely HOF)
David Wells (borderline HOF)

Not saying any or all of these guys will retire this year, but it is highly possible two or more could hang them up (Clemens, Palmeiro) that will make the selection a little more difficult for guys in Alomar's position.

[VanCitySportsGuy]

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Along those lines....

The only players that could possibly retire this year and have at least a decent shot at the HOF are:

Barry Bonds (HOF lock, 'roids or not)
Rafael Palmeiro (HOF lock)
Larry Walker (borderline HOF)
Craig Biggio (HOF near-lock)
Fred McGriff (borderline HOF)
Roger Clemens (do I even have to say it?)
Greg Maddux (see above)
Tom Glavine (likely HOF)
David Wells (borderline HOF)

Not saying any or all of these guys will retire this year, but it is highly possible two or more could hang them up (Clemens, Palmeiro) that will make the selection a little more difficult for guys in Alomar's position.

Ken Griffey Jr. would be a lock to make it to the HoF if he retired after this season, the same goes for Randy Johnson,Sammy Sosa, Pedro Martinez, M. Rivera, and Jeter.

I just wonder if the media is going to "punish" Bonds for his treatment of media members and the Balco scandal. I have no doubt he will be in the Hall, but if a lot of the media is going to hold a grudge, then he might be second ballot.

I personally don't believe off the field stuff (treatment of the media) should effect HoF voting but I know it does.

Jeff Blair of the Globe and Mail says he will never vote for Gary Carter because he acted like a jerk towards him.

[VanCitySportsGuy]

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Along those lines....

The only players that could possibly retire this year and have at least a decent shot at the HOF are:

Barry Bonds (HOF lock, 'roids or not)
Rafael Palmeiro (HOF lock)
Larry Walker (borderline HOF)
Craig Biggio (HOF near-lock)
Fred McGriff (borderline HOF)
Roger Clemens (do I even have to say it?)
Greg Maddux (see above)
Tom Glavine (likely HOF)
David Wells (borderline HOF)

Not saying any or all of these guys will retire this year, but it is highly possible two or more could hang them up (Clemens, Palmeiro) that will make the selection a little more difficult for guys in Alomar's position.

Ken Griffey Jr. would be a lock to make it to the HoF if he retired after this season, the same goes for Randy Johnson,Sammy Sosa, Pedro Martinez, M. Rivera, and Jeter.

I just wonder if the media is going to "punish" Bonds for his treatment of media members and the Balco scandal. I have no doubt he will be in the Hall, but if a lot of the media is going to hold a grudge, then he might be second ballot.

I personally don't believe off the field stuff (treatment of the media) should effect HoF voting but I know it does.

Jeff Blair of the Globe and Mail says he will never vote for Gary Carter because he acted like a jerk towards him.

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Ken Griffey Jr. would be a lock to make it to the HoF if he retired after this season, the same goes for Randy Johnson,Sammy Sosa, Pedro Martinez, M. Rivera, and Jeter.

I just wonder if the media is going to "punish" Bonds for his treatment of media members and the Balco scandal. I have no doubt he will be in the Hall, but if a lot of the media is going to hold a grudge, then he might be second ballot.

I personally don't believe off the field stuff (treatment of the media) should effect HoF voting but I know it does.

Jeff Blair of the Globe and Mail says he will never vote for Gary Carter because he acted like a jerk towards him.

The only guy you mentioned that will even ponder retirement after this season is possibly Randy Johnson. Other than that, none of them are within 3 years of retirement.

And Jeff Blair doesn't ever have to worry about voting for Carter seeing as how he got in a few years ago.

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Ken Griffey Jr. would be a lock to make it to the HoF if he retired after this season, the same goes for Randy Johnson,Sammy Sosa, Pedro Martinez, M. Rivera, and Jeter.

I just wonder if the media is going to "punish" Bonds for his treatment of media members and the Balco scandal. I have no doubt he will be in the Hall, but if a lot of the media is going to hold a grudge, then he might be second ballot.

I personally don't believe off the field stuff (treatment of the media) should effect HoF voting but I know it does.

Jeff Blair of the Globe and Mail says he will never vote for Gary Carter because he acted like a jerk towards him.

The only guy you mentioned that will even ponder retirement after this season is possibly Randy Johnson. Other than that, none of them are within 3 years of retirement.

And Jeff Blair doesn't ever have to worry about voting for Carter seeing as how he got in a few years ago.

[VanCitySportsGuy]

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The only guy you mentioned that will even ponder retirement after this season is possibly Randy Johnson. Other than that, none of them are within 3 years of retirement.

And Jeff Blair doesn't ever have to worry about voting for Carter seeing as how he got in a few years ago.

Oops, I forgot he was already in.

But I still think it's silly to hold a vote back because of they way they were treated. I would only make an exception if something really offensive was said.

[VanCitySportsGuy]

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The only guy you mentioned that will even ponder retirement after this season is possibly Randy Johnson. Other than that, none of them are within 3 years of retirement.

And Jeff Blair doesn't ever have to worry about voting for Carter seeing as how he got in a few years ago.

Oops, I forgot he was already in.

But I still think it's silly to hold a vote back because of they way they were treated. I would only make an exception if something really offensive was said.

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Oops, I forgot he was already in.

But I still think it's silly to hold a vote back because of they way they were treated. I would only make an exception if something really offensive was said.

If alomar doesn't get in his first time who will he spit on?

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Oops, I forgot he was already in.

But I still think it's silly to hold a vote back because of they way they were treated. I would only make an exception if something really offensive was said.

If alomar doesn't get in his first time who will he spit on?

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Oops, I forgot he was already in.

But I still think it's silly to hold a vote back because of they way they were treated. I would only make an exception if something really offensive was said.

I agree. But sadly, it's always been that way and it will always be that way so long as the writers are the ones casting the ballots. Although Griffey was injured for a large portion of the latter part of his career I think he has benefited from the steroid controversy. His name has never, ever been brought up in any steroid conversation and he's never been implicated in the slightest.

Half off the eight players to hit 500 HR's in the last 20 years have had accusations of steroids:

Schmidt
McGwire*
Bonds*
Sosa*
Murray
Palmeiro*
Griffey
Jackson

I think this will bring Griffey's accomplishment that much more to the forefront and ensure him of potential 1st ballot HOF election.

Speaking of players abrasive relationships with writers, did you know that Ted Williams lost the AL MVP to Joe Dimaggio largely due to the fact that the two Boston writers left him completely off of their ballots. Williams hit .406 that year. The following year Williams lost the AL MVP to Joe Gordon, again a Yankee, even though the Splinter hit for the Triple Crown. And yet again he lost out to Joe Dimaggio in 1947 after, yet again, hitting for the Triple Crown......and did I mention he had just returned from WWII?

Kind of makes you wonder how much more of a legend Williams would be if he would've just bit his tongue every now and then.