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  • Nivek
    H*ll *f F*m*
    • Jul 2002
    • 7999

    #46
    Re: Roberto Alomar Retires

    First ballot HOF...

    You can question his hitting, but there's no doubt he's a HOF just for his defense alone. He reinvented his position, no one in baseball (past or present) can turn a double play as sweet as Alomar. I loved watching jays games growing up...
    Cameras or guns, one of them is gonna shoot me to death.

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    • Nivek
      H*ll *f F*m*
      • Jul 2002
      • 7999

      #47
      Re: Roberto Alomar Retires

      First ballot HOF...

      You can question his hitting, but there's no doubt he's a HOF just for his defense alone. He reinvented his position, no one in baseball (past or present) can turn a double play as sweet as Alomar. I loved watching jays games growing up...
      Cameras or guns, one of them is gonna shoot me to death.

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      • Nivek
        H*ll *f F*m*
        • Jul 2002
        • 7999

        #48
        Re: Roberto Alomar Retires

        Originally posted by asianflow
        Best trade in franchise history was McGriff and Fernandez for Carter and Alomar.
        Yep, no doubt about it. Carter and Alomar were the both HUGE in the back-to-back WS wins.
        Cameras or guns, one of them is gonna shoot me to death.

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        • Nivek
          H*ll *f F*m*
          • Jul 2002
          • 7999

          #49
          Re: Roberto Alomar Retires

          Originally posted by asianflow
          Best trade in franchise history was McGriff and Fernandez for Carter and Alomar.
          Yep, no doubt about it. Carter and Alomar were the both HUGE in the back-to-back WS wins.
          Cameras or guns, one of them is gonna shoot me to death.

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          • mjb2124
            Hall Of Fame
            • Aug 2002
            • 13649

            #50
            Re: Roberto Alomar Retires

            Originally posted by Nivek
            He reinvented his position, no one in baseball (past or present) can turn a double play as sweet as Alomar.
            Bill Mazeroski. He's the only 2B that I think was better at turning the double play.

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            • mjb2124
              Hall Of Fame
              • Aug 2002
              • 13649

              #51
              Re: Roberto Alomar Retires

              Originally posted by Nivek
              He reinvented his position, no one in baseball (past or present) can turn a double play as sweet as Alomar.
              Bill Mazeroski. He's the only 2B that I think was better at turning the double play.

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              • Nivek
                H*ll *f F*m*
                • Jul 2002
                • 7999

                #52
                Re: Roberto Alomar Retires

                Originally posted by joeboo
                Bill Mazeroski. He's the only 2B that I think was better at turning the double play.
                I humbly disagree, but I totally respect Mazeroski and can see a great debate over this.
                Cameras or guns, one of them is gonna shoot me to death.

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                • Nivek
                  H*ll *f F*m*
                  • Jul 2002
                  • 7999

                  #53
                  Re: Roberto Alomar Retires

                  Originally posted by joeboo
                  Bill Mazeroski. He's the only 2B that I think was better at turning the double play.
                  I humbly disagree, but I totally respect Mazeroski and can see a great debate over this.
                  Cameras or guns, one of them is gonna shoot me to death.

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                  • fishepa
                    I'm Ron F'n Swanson!
                    • Feb 2003
                    • 18989

                    #54
                    Re: Roberto Alomar Retires

                    I don't think so. No.

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                    • fishepa
                      I'm Ron F'n Swanson!
                      • Feb 2003
                      • 18989

                      #55
                      Re: Roberto Alomar Retires

                      I don't think so. No.

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                      • SPTO
                        binging
                        • Feb 2003
                        • 68046

                        #56
                        Re: Roberto Alomar Retires

                        Originally posted by joeboo
                        Bill Mazeroski. He's the only 2B that I think was better at turning the double play.
                        Hm it's very hard to say who was the best defensive fielder.

                        I've never seen Mazeroski play but i've seen Joe Morgan and Robbie Alomar. I have to say that I think Morgan was better fundamentally while Alomar was more flashy with the leather. If I had to rank em i'd go:

                        1A: Morgan
                        1B: Alomar
                        2: Mazeroski
                        Member of the Official OS Bills Backers Club

                        "Baseball is the most important thing that doesn't matter at all" - Robert B. Parker

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                        • SPTO
                          binging
                          • Feb 2003
                          • 68046

                          #57
                          Re: Roberto Alomar Retires

                          Originally posted by joeboo
                          Bill Mazeroski. He's the only 2B that I think was better at turning the double play.
                          Hm it's very hard to say who was the best defensive fielder.

                          I've never seen Mazeroski play but i've seen Joe Morgan and Robbie Alomar. I have to say that I think Morgan was better fundamentally while Alomar was more flashy with the leather. If I had to rank em i'd go:

                          1A: Morgan
                          1B: Alomar
                          2: Mazeroski
                          Member of the Official OS Bills Backers Club

                          "Baseball is the most important thing that doesn't matter at all" - Robert B. Parker

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                          • rsox
                            All Star
                            • Feb 2003
                            • 6309

                            #58
                            Re: Roberto Alomar Retires

                            Lou Whitaker could turn them back-in-the-day.

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                            • rsox
                              All Star
                              • Feb 2003
                              • 6309

                              #59
                              Re: Roberto Alomar Retires

                              Lou Whitaker could turn them back-in-the-day.

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                              • mjb2124
                                Hall Of Fame
                                • Aug 2002
                                • 13649

                                #60
                                Re: Roberto Alomar Retires

                                Originally posted by Nivek
                                I humbly disagree, but I totally respect Mazeroski and can see a great debate over this.
                                It's a tough call. The reason I go with Mazeroski is that he never had the benefit of playing on turf. Even the grass fields were better manicured during Alomar's day.

                                I also choose Maz because he changed the way the double play was turned. Not as flashy as Alomar or others, but he had the nickname "No Hands" because he was one of the first players to turn a double play without actually catch the ball. He'd just transfer it from his catching hand to his throwing hand by having the ball bounce of the heel of his glove.

                                From a stat standpoint, these guys are virutally dead-even.

                                Maz Fielding % and the league fielding % during his career:

                                .983 and .976

                                Alomar Fielding % and the league fielding % during his career:

                                .984 and .981

                                IMO you can't go wrong by stating either guy was the better fielder (add Morgan to that list as well). It becomes even more difficult when the players were from different generations.

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