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  • fossen
    Bl*bfl*th z*p!
    • Jul 2002
    • 7098

    #226
    Re: Gee what a surprise - Bonds out for 1/2 to whole year!

    Just a note: I merged the two threads on this topic into a single thread. The posts appear in chronological order, but you may see some posts that look like they just don't fit.

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    • fossen
      Bl*bfl*th z*p!
      • Jul 2002
      • 7098

      #227
      Re: Gee what a surprise - Bonds out for 1/2 to whole year!

      Just a note: I merged the two threads on this topic into a single thread. The posts appear in chronological order, but you may see some posts that look like they just don't fit.

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      • Graphik
        Pr*s*n*r#70460649
        • Oct 2002
        • 10582

        #228
        Re: Gee what a surprise - Bonds out for 1/2 to whole year!

        Oh yea, as for Bonds. He dug his own grave, if he'd been just a little less deceptive to the media, he would'nt be in this position. And I'm with Erod on this, this all smells like cover up. Everything is too coincedental right now. He's gonna miss half the season to detox, come back, break Ruths record and retire off into the sunset.

        And its not so much that ppl despise Bonds because he cheated. Alot of these guys cheated. We depise Bonds because we all know he cheated and he has been doing everything in his power to sweep it under the rug. Denying drug test when you know that ppl would want to find out if you're legit or not. And instead of clearing the rumors with proff and whatnot, he dodges every attempt at answering them. This dude does not belong in the HOF. Period. He knows its to late to come clean so he will never admit to any wrong doing. Maybe we'll find out on his death bed.
        http://neverfollow.biz (Independent Music Group)

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        • Graphik
          Pr*s*n*r#70460649
          • Oct 2002
          • 10582

          #229
          Re: Gee what a surprise - Bonds out for 1/2 to whole year!

          Oh yea, as for Bonds. He dug his own grave, if he'd been just a little less deceptive to the media, he would'nt be in this position. And I'm with Erod on this, this all smells like cover up. Everything is too coincedental right now. He's gonna miss half the season to detox, come back, break Ruths record and retire off into the sunset.

          And its not so much that ppl despise Bonds because he cheated. Alot of these guys cheated. We depise Bonds because we all know he cheated and he has been doing everything in his power to sweep it under the rug. Denying drug test when you know that ppl would want to find out if you're legit or not. And instead of clearing the rumors with proff and whatnot, he dodges every attempt at answering them. This dude does not belong in the HOF. Period. He knows its to late to come clean so he will never admit to any wrong doing. Maybe we'll find out on his death bed.
          http://neverfollow.biz (Independent Music Group)

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          • bubba4
            Pro
            • Sep 2002
            • 607

            #230
            Re: Gee what a surprise - Bonds out for 1/2 to whole year!

            For a long time I have held a grude against Tony LaRussa and Sandy Alderson for trading Canseco in the middle of a pennant chase. At the time we had like a 10 game lead on the Twins, and we up and traded Canseco for Ruben Sierra? That just didn't make sense. The Twins almost caught us for the American West title, but we squeaked by. But the "Bash Brothers" were no more and we were swept by the Reds in the World Series. I blame that on LaRussa and Alderson for that. IMO, we were destined to win another world title if that trade was not made.

            Now with all that has come about with steroids and what not, I think I understand now why the A's traded Jose. If he injected McGwire as he says he did, then steroids were all over that clubhouse. And I'm certain that management probably blamed Jose for introducing steroids into the organization. Only in the past few years has that trade started to make sense. The A's management knew about steroid use in the clubhouse, imo. And I'll bet a lot of other owners knew about it.

            It looks like a lot of players were/are using. And maybe we are concentrating our attention too much at the top-end of the story. I mean there are probaly quite a few ball players that have increased their power numbers substantially. Not by leaps and bounds like Bonds and McGwire. But if your a second baseman, and your contract is being measured against another 2nd baseman that happened to hit over twenty homeruns last year, you might start to look for an edge somewhere. A lot of players are not taking steroids to set league records. Most do it to stay competitive with their peers and to make extra cheddar. In this era of incentive laden contracts, the competion is fierce and stressful.

            I HAVE to blame Baseball for this. They pertetuated this monster by looking the other way for probably 30 years or more. Now guys are shattering records many thought unbreakable and Baseball wants to come out looking ignorant to the process. Who in their right mind would believe that? Sure, maybe the owners didn't buy the stuff and inject the players, but by remaining silent while their Frankensteins set all sorts of records, they are just as guilty. Maybe even more so.
            Bubba4

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            • bubba4
              Pro
              • Sep 2002
              • 607

              #231
              Re: Gee what a surprise - Bonds out for 1/2 to whole year!

              For a long time I have held a grude against Tony LaRussa and Sandy Alderson for trading Canseco in the middle of a pennant chase. At the time we had like a 10 game lead on the Twins, and we up and traded Canseco for Ruben Sierra? That just didn't make sense. The Twins almost caught us for the American West title, but we squeaked by. But the "Bash Brothers" were no more and we were swept by the Reds in the World Series. I blame that on LaRussa and Alderson for that. IMO, we were destined to win another world title if that trade was not made.

              Now with all that has come about with steroids and what not, I think I understand now why the A's traded Jose. If he injected McGwire as he says he did, then steroids were all over that clubhouse. And I'm certain that management probably blamed Jose for introducing steroids into the organization. Only in the past few years has that trade started to make sense. The A's management knew about steroid use in the clubhouse, imo. And I'll bet a lot of other owners knew about it.

              It looks like a lot of players were/are using. And maybe we are concentrating our attention too much at the top-end of the story. I mean there are probaly quite a few ball players that have increased their power numbers substantially. Not by leaps and bounds like Bonds and McGwire. But if your a second baseman, and your contract is being measured against another 2nd baseman that happened to hit over twenty homeruns last year, you might start to look for an edge somewhere. A lot of players are not taking steroids to set league records. Most do it to stay competitive with their peers and to make extra cheddar. In this era of incentive laden contracts, the competion is fierce and stressful.

              I HAVE to blame Baseball for this. They pertetuated this monster by looking the other way for probably 30 years or more. Now guys are shattering records many thought unbreakable and Baseball wants to come out looking ignorant to the process. Who in their right mind would believe that? Sure, maybe the owners didn't buy the stuff and inject the players, but by remaining silent while their Frankensteins set all sorts of records, they are just as guilty. Maybe even more so.
              Bubba4

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              • Graphik
                Pr*s*n*r#70460649
                • Oct 2002
                • 10582

                #232
                Re: Gee what a surprise - Bonds out for 1/2 to whole year!

                Originally posted by bubba4
                For a long time I have held a grude against Tony LaRussa and Sandy Alderson for trading Canseco in the middle of a pennant chase. At the time we had like a 10 game lead on the Twins, and we up and traded Canseco for Ruben Sierra? That just didn't make sense. The Twins almost caught us for the American West title, but we squeaked by. But the "Bash Brothers" were no more and we were swept by the Reds in the World Series. I blame that on LaRussa and Alderson for that. IMO, we were destined to win another world title if that trade was not made.

                Now with all that has come about with steroids and what not, I think I understand now why the A's traded Jose. If he injected McGwire as he says he did, then steroids were all over that clubhouse. And I'm certain that management probably blamed Jose for introducing steroids into the organization. Only in the past few years has that trade started to make sense. The A's management knew about steroid use in the clubhouse, imo. And I'll bet a lot of other owners knew about it.

                It looks like a lot of players were/are using. And maybe we are concentrating our attention too much at the top-end of the story. I mean there are probaly quite a few ball players that have increased their power numbers substantially. Not by leaps and bounds like Bonds and McGwire. But if your a second baseman, and your contract is being measured against another 2nd baseman that happened to hit over twenty homeruns last year, you might start to look for an edge somewhere. A lot of players are not taking steroids to set league records. Most do it to stay competitive with their peers and to make extra cheddar. In this era of incentive laden contracts, the competion is fierce and stressful.

                I HAVE to blame Baseball for this. They pertetuated this monster by looking the other way for probably 30 years or more. Now guys are shattering records many thought unbreakable and Baseball wants to come out looking ignorant to the process. Who in their right mind would believe that? Sure, maybe the owners didn't buy the stuff and inject the players, but by remaining silent while their Frankensteins set all sorts of records, they are just as guilty. Maybe even more so.
                Bubba4

                Very good points man. We should be blaming the owners and the clubhouses as well. There is no way in hell that the big heads in the offices were'nt in on this in some way or did'nt know about it. They are the ones that invest the money in the players so I would think that they stay on top of they're players.
                http://neverfollow.biz (Independent Music Group)

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                • Graphik
                  Pr*s*n*r#70460649
                  • Oct 2002
                  • 10582

                  #233
                  Re: Gee what a surprise - Bonds out for 1/2 to whole year!

                  Originally posted by bubba4
                  For a long time I have held a grude against Tony LaRussa and Sandy Alderson for trading Canseco in the middle of a pennant chase. At the time we had like a 10 game lead on the Twins, and we up and traded Canseco for Ruben Sierra? That just didn't make sense. The Twins almost caught us for the American West title, but we squeaked by. But the "Bash Brothers" were no more and we were swept by the Reds in the World Series. I blame that on LaRussa and Alderson for that. IMO, we were destined to win another world title if that trade was not made.

                  Now with all that has come about with steroids and what not, I think I understand now why the A's traded Jose. If he injected McGwire as he says he did, then steroids were all over that clubhouse. And I'm certain that management probably blamed Jose for introducing steroids into the organization. Only in the past few years has that trade started to make sense. The A's management knew about steroid use in the clubhouse, imo. And I'll bet a lot of other owners knew about it.

                  It looks like a lot of players were/are using. And maybe we are concentrating our attention too much at the top-end of the story. I mean there are probaly quite a few ball players that have increased their power numbers substantially. Not by leaps and bounds like Bonds and McGwire. But if your a second baseman, and your contract is being measured against another 2nd baseman that happened to hit over twenty homeruns last year, you might start to look for an edge somewhere. A lot of players are not taking steroids to set league records. Most do it to stay competitive with their peers and to make extra cheddar. In this era of incentive laden contracts, the competion is fierce and stressful.

                  I HAVE to blame Baseball for this. They pertetuated this monster by looking the other way for probably 30 years or more. Now guys are shattering records many thought unbreakable and Baseball wants to come out looking ignorant to the process. Who in their right mind would believe that? Sure, maybe the owners didn't buy the stuff and inject the players, but by remaining silent while their Frankensteins set all sorts of records, they are just as guilty. Maybe even more so.
                  Bubba4

                  Very good points man. We should be blaming the owners and the clubhouses as well. There is no way in hell that the big heads in the offices were'nt in on this in some way or did'nt know about it. They are the ones that invest the money in the players so I would think that they stay on top of they're players.
                  http://neverfollow.biz (Independent Music Group)

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                  • Freelance
                    Banned
                    • Jul 2002
                    • 7021

                    #234
                    I think Bonds is off the juice....and I think he's done with baseball altogether.

                    I think this is a different angle to the Bonds story. I apologize ahead of time to the moderators if they think I should have put this in another thread.

                    Personally, I think Barry Bonds is done with baseball. And I think he's done with the juice, too.

                    In fact, I think he's put away the steroids, too, and wants to slip away into the shadows for a long, long time. I think he knows he's about to lose 30 pounds of muscle if he gets off the roids, or risk getting busted in a blood test.

                    My reasoning:
                    1. He looks to be in a big state of depression, a symptom of getting off the juice. The defiant Barry is now the sad Barry. He's in a detox state, and sees no way for his money or fame to get him through this one.

                    2. The knee ain't healing quickly. Something steroids could help with, and perhaps have in the past.

                    3. Blood testing looks more likely now after the congressional hearings. I don't think Bonds was expecting that. He can mask his pee, but not his blood.

                    4. He's a likely candidate to go in front of Congress, and it'll be easier to pull a Mark McGwire if he's not playing. The BALCO case is giving him a little protection now because he can't talk anyway.

                    5. I'd bet there are more damaging witnesses to come, and Bonds may very well have perjured himself in the BALCO proceedings. If so, he could be looking at prison time.

                    6. Chasing the record is only going to put more attention on the BALCO case and Bonds in general. He thinks the spotlight is intense now?

                    7. Road games are going to be more brutal than ever. Can you imagine if he broke the record in an away game, and the boos that would rain down on him. The video of that would be a huge scar to baseball.

                    8. I can't imagine the MLB wants this record to happen. How do they market this? How do they spin it?

                    9. I'm not sure his current wife knew that his mistress spanned across both of his marriages. Gotta be trouble on the home front.

                    10. I can't imagine he would have put his son in front of the cameras if he wasn't an intensely desperate and depressed man. He's never done that before.

                    Bonds' son wearing the Barry Sanders jersey was appropriate. I see Bonds slipping away as a guy that could have broken the record, but decided to retire, just like Sanders.

                    Retiring now would probably lessen the steroid talk ever so slightly, and perhaps help his legal matters. It may be Bonds best option.

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                    • Freelance
                      Banned
                      • Jul 2002
                      • 7021

                      #235
                      I think Bonds is off the juice....and I think he's done with baseball altogether.

                      I think this is a different angle to the Bonds story. I apologize ahead of time to the moderators if they think I should have put this in another thread.

                      Personally, I think Barry Bonds is done with baseball. And I think he's done with the juice, too.

                      In fact, I think he's put away the steroids, too, and wants to slip away into the shadows for a long, long time. I think he knows he's about to lose 30 pounds of muscle if he gets off the roids, or risk getting busted in a blood test.

                      My reasoning:
                      1. He looks to be in a big state of depression, a symptom of getting off the juice. The defiant Barry is now the sad Barry. He's in a detox state, and sees no way for his money or fame to get him through this one.

                      2. The knee ain't healing quickly. Something steroids could help with, and perhaps have in the past.

                      3. Blood testing looks more likely now after the congressional hearings. I don't think Bonds was expecting that. He can mask his pee, but not his blood.

                      4. He's a likely candidate to go in front of Congress, and it'll be easier to pull a Mark McGwire if he's not playing. The BALCO case is giving him a little protection now because he can't talk anyway.

                      5. I'd bet there are more damaging witnesses to come, and Bonds may very well have perjured himself in the BALCO proceedings. If so, he could be looking at prison time.

                      6. Chasing the record is only going to put more attention on the BALCO case and Bonds in general. He thinks the spotlight is intense now?

                      7. Road games are going to be more brutal than ever. Can you imagine if he broke the record in an away game, and the boos that would rain down on him. The video of that would be a huge scar to baseball.

                      8. I can't imagine the MLB wants this record to happen. How do they market this? How do they spin it?

                      9. I'm not sure his current wife knew that his mistress spanned across both of his marriages. Gotta be trouble on the home front.

                      10. I can't imagine he would have put his son in front of the cameras if he wasn't an intensely desperate and depressed man. He's never done that before.

                      Bonds' son wearing the Barry Sanders jersey was appropriate. I see Bonds slipping away as a guy that could have broken the record, but decided to retire, just like Sanders.

                      Retiring now would probably lessen the steroid talk ever so slightly, and perhaps help his legal matters. It may be Bonds best option.

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                      • bubba4
                        Pro
                        • Sep 2002
                        • 607

                        #236
                        Re: Bonds Out Til The Break...

                        You know Erod, I was thinking the same thing. It sounded to me like a concession speech. Like he was done with everything, including baseball. There seems to be no way that he can get out from under this scrutiny. Whether he did juice or not, the records will not mean as much if he stays in to break them, and it could do more damage than good to baseball. Maybe the best thing to do IS to call it quits. If Bonds cannot show 100% that he was clean, quitting may be his best option.
                        Bubba4

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                        • bubba4
                          Pro
                          • Sep 2002
                          • 607

                          #237
                          Re: Bonds Out Til The Break...

                          You know Erod, I was thinking the same thing. It sounded to me like a concession speech. Like he was done with everything, including baseball. There seems to be no way that he can get out from under this scrutiny. Whether he did juice or not, the records will not mean as much if he stays in to break them, and it could do more damage than good to baseball. Maybe the best thing to do IS to call it quits. If Bonds cannot show 100% that he was clean, quitting may be his best option.
                          Bubba4

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                          • Stu
                            All Star
                            • Jun 2004
                            • 7924

                            #238
                            Re: I think Bonds is off the juice....and I think he's done with baseball altogether.

                            Originally posted by Erod
                            Personally, I think Barry Bonds is done with baseball. And I think he's done with the juice, too.
                            I think a lot of this is speculation but your reasoning is certainly plausible.

                            The BALCO case will have the biggest impact on Bonds future. The trial is expected to start Sept. 6th. I'm not sure how the trial will proceed but what impact would it have if the Giants are in the middle of a pennant race and their best player is called away to testify?

                            I think it is very likely that during this trial we will find out that Barry lied in his grand jury testimony, and if so they will go after him hard in regards to punishment. It's no secret this whole investigation started because of their desire to bring down Barry. I wouldn't be surprised at all if he ended up in prison by the time the dust settles.
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                            • Stu
                              All Star
                              • Jun 2004
                              • 7924

                              #239
                              Re: I think Bonds is off the juice....and I think he's done with baseball altogether.

                              Originally posted by Erod
                              Personally, I think Barry Bonds is done with baseball. And I think he's done with the juice, too.
                              I think a lot of this is speculation but your reasoning is certainly plausible.

                              The BALCO case will have the biggest impact on Bonds future. The trial is expected to start Sept. 6th. I'm not sure how the trial will proceed but what impact would it have if the Giants are in the middle of a pennant race and their best player is called away to testify?

                              I think it is very likely that during this trial we will find out that Barry lied in his grand jury testimony, and if so they will go after him hard in regards to punishment. It's no secret this whole investigation started because of their desire to bring down Barry. I wouldn't be surprised at all if he ended up in prison by the time the dust settles.
                              Sim Gaming Network

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                              • USCTrojan83
                                Pro
                                • Mar 2005
                                • 591

                                #240
                                Re: Gee what a surprise - Bonds out for 1/2 to whole year!

                                Originally posted by bubba4
                                I HAVE to blame Baseball for this. They pertetuated this monster by looking the other way for probably 30 years or more. Now guys are shattering records many thought unbreakable and Baseball wants to come out looking ignorant to the process. Who in their right mind would believe that? Sure, maybe the owners didn't buy the stuff and inject the players, but by remaining silent while their Frankensteins set all sorts of records, they are just as guilty. Maybe even more so.
                                Bubba4
                                Couldnt have put it any better. Very well put bubba

                                The sad thing is, is that people still dont realize the effects of the rampant use of amphetamines or 'greenies.' Greenies have shown to improve hand-eye coordination, improve alertness and focus. Maybe people or fans dont care about this type of abuse because you cant see the physical impact to the body compared to what steroids does to the body. Amphetamines kill more MORE users than users of steroids. And the MLB is the ONLY professional sports league not to ban aphetamines as a performance enhancing drug. The NBA, NFL, NHL, Olympic Comittee all ban it.
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