2007 San Francisco Giants

[Scottdau]

Re: 2007 San Francisco Giants

You guys may complain we never have guys from the minors that are in the show, but really now.. how many of them are really getting a chance? Yeah, it's true that we have a bunch of young talent in our arms with Cain Lowry Linecum Sanchez Correia Hennessy Wilson and so on, but the difference between pitchers and position players is amazing. First of all, our pitchers have had a CHANCE to show they belong, given the opportunity, whether it be starting or in relief, and there really hasnt been any "veteran" to compete and take their time away. As we all know, our every day players are beyond old and it will continue to stay that way as long as Bonds is here. Giants made a statement once again this offseason by re-signing Ray Durham (Frandsen has been waiting for quite a bit now), Pedro Feliz and then acquiring Roberts Klesko and Aurilia (remember Linden Ellison Fred Lewis and even Niekro?) Many other clubs let their young guys play and develop, the Giants don't.

That guy that said that about are farm is right about hitters, but not pitchers.

[BatsareBugs]

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Don't forget we got Clay Hensley from you guys for Matt Herges.

[Scottdau]

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I understand that they focused on pitching, but where are the results? The Twins have two good starters and a closer? There is a gap in the scouting department when they let two very, very good prospects(and Bosner who is on the verge of turning into a reliable starter) for an aging catcher. Yes, "win while we have Barry", I understand the philosophy, and they should have gotten a World Series title out of it. BUT, as it stands, all of this focus on pitching hasn't helped the team much, Cain could be the #1 for a long time, but who knows?

And there are dozens of rounds in the baseball draft, they didn't try to get even one hitter all this time? Focus on pitching, fine, no problem, but you can't completely ignore hitting. Trading away your best pitching prospects just makes it worse, all of the focus on pitching but they couldn't have seen Liriano or Nathan had that potential?

It is a flawed plan of action in the first place, made 100 times worse by the Minnesota trade.

Yes the twins trade hurts. But to tekk you the truth you can go a long way with a great pullpen and starting pitching.

[Scottdau]

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Don't forget we got Clay Hensley from you guys for Matt Herges.

Yeah, but we have done some good trade too, Williams for Kent and others. Just haven't done anything lately. I kinda feel like BK feel about your GM. Brian has done some good move, but has done some bad moves too.

[CM1847]

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You guys may complain we never have guys from the minors that are in the show, but really now.. how many of them are really getting a chance?

That is part of the problem and a big reason I think the front office and/or scouting department are doing an embarassing job. The rebuilding process is going to be very, very painful, all for the sake of hoping a group of verterns can all stay healthy and play as good, or better, than they ever have in their long careers up to this point.

[CM1847]

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But to tekk you the truth you can go a long way with a great pullpen and starting pitching.

Yes, and maybe if they didn't make the Twins trade then the Giants would actually have great pitching. As it stands, they have many more unknowns than proven players.

[remix]

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Yes the twins trade hurts. But to tekk you the truth you can go a long way with a great pullpen and starting pitching.

You just proved his point. From what I took from that he mentioned how much a mistake trading away the pitchers were for a horrendous Pierzynski. I think it's easy to say that our young position players are going nowhere fast

[CM1847]

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I think it's easy to say that our young position players are going nowhere fast

Bingo! Additionally, all of these pitching prospects have yet to produce a single reliable pitcher. Lowry look like a lock in late 2004 & 2005, but was very shaky last year, now who knows? Cain looks like he could be an ace, but again, who knows? The bullpen looks decent, but Wilson gets sent down after a horrible spring and the only prospect who has put in a full seasons work out there is Hennessey, who is far from a sure thing.

[Chip Douglass]

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And lastly, I think the Padres rival the Dodgers in not letting their young players have a chance.

I disagree. Loney, Kemp, Martin, Ethier, Billingsly, and Broxton have all gotten significant playing time, with most of these players either starting or still on the roster.

Of course, your not seeing some of them because the Dodgers had a free agent upheavel this past offseason.

[Scottdau]

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Well I will give them one year to fix it! They will have a lot of money next year and should be able to sign some good free agent. With Cain and Zito and hopefully Lowry they should be able to get something going.

[Scottdau]

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I disagree. Loney, Kemp, Martin, Ethier, Billingsly, and Broxton have all gotten significant playing time, with most of these players either starting or still on the roster.

Of course, your not seeing some of them because the Dodgers had a free agent upheavel this past offseason.

Exactly, I will say I would take your hitting prospects over our's, but I will take our's pitching prospects over yours! lol

[Scottdau]

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Bingo! Additionally, all of these pitching prospects have yet to produce a single reliable pitcher. Lowry look like a lock in late 2004 & 2005, but was very shaky last year, now who knows? Cain looks like he could be an ace, but again, who knows? The bullpen looks decent, but Wilson gets sent down after a horrible spring and the only prospect who has put in a full seasons work out there is Hennessey, who is far from a sure thing.

Cain is 20 years old and has had a one hitter all ready, he will be great! That kids has it all, if he gets more control watch out! Control takes time in the bigs!!

[Chip Douglass]

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Exactly, I will say I would take your hitting prospects over our's, but I will take our's pitching prospects over yours! lol

I'm not so sure. I agree you have the better pitching prospects in the rotation, but the bullpen (Broxton, Billingsly), no, I'd call it a wash.

[Scottdau]

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I'm not so sure. I agree you have the better pitching prospects in the rotation, but the bullpen (Broxton, Billingsly), no, I'd call it a wash.

I would take starting pitching over bullpen guys,but that is just me, also we have a better record! lol

[Scottdau]

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Prospects don't mean crap to me! It is all about free agents. You sign some good free agents you can go further then a bunch of prospect.