2007 San Francisco Giants

Collapse

Recommended Videos

Collapse
X
 
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts
  • Chip Douglass
    Hall Of Fame
    • Dec 2005
    • 12256

    #76
    Re: 2007 San Francisco Giants

    Originally posted by Scottd
    I would take starting pitching over bullpen guys,but that is just me, also we have a better record! lol
    Well, I think the "let's win one for Barry" approach is coming back to haunt the Giants.

    It seems to me like instead of committing time to the minors and player development, they've strewn together a patchwork, over-the-hill team, whose window of opportunity probably already passed.
    Last edited by Chip Douglass; 04-03-2007, 10:08 PM.
    I write things on the Internet.

    Comment

    • Chip Douglass
      Hall Of Fame
      • Dec 2005
      • 12256

      #77
      Re: 2007 San Francisco Giants

      Originally posted by Scottd
      Prospects don't mean crap to me! It is all about free agents. You sign some good free agents you can go further then a bunch of prospect.
      I think this view sums up the current situation of the Giants, which is also why they won't be competitive this year. So who do you expect to fill the shoes of the aging veterans on your team?
      Last edited by Chip Douglass; 04-03-2007, 10:14 PM.
      I write things on the Internet.

      Comment

      • CM1847
        Bacon
        • Jul 2002
        • 5372

        #78
        Re: 2007 San Francisco Giants

        Originally posted by Olson-for-Heisman
        I think this view sums up the current situation of the Giants, which is also why they won't be competitive this year.
        And it is only going to get worse, much, much worse, before it gets better.

        Balance is the key. If you have a good group of young players that your team is built around, a key FA signing or two can put you over the top and make you a contender(see the White Sox, Twins or Tigers). You can't build an entire team from free agents unless you are the Yankees, but that has even come back to bite them recently. The Giants have been spending the last few years trying to be a second-rate Yankee clone, except they don't sign big names(Zito aside), they sign David Roberts, Omar Vizquel, Ryan Kelsko and a Molina(after a few other failed attempts at signing/trading for catchers).

        You have to have something to build around, right now the Giants have a solid core of young pitching which is promising, but once Barry retires and they finally stop resigning all of these 35 year olds, the offense is in for a tough 2-4 year stretch unless they spend wildly every offseason.

        Comment

        • BatsareBugs
          LVP
          • Feb 2003
          • 12553

          #79
          Re: 2007 San Francisco Giants

          Originally posted by Olson-for-Heisman
          I disagree. Loney, Kemp, Martin, Ethier, Billingsly, and Broxton have all gotten significant playing time, with most of these players either starting or still on the roster.

          Of course, your not seeing some of them because the Dodgers had a free agent upheavel this past offseason.
          Actually, you disagree because I put the wrong team up there.

          I meant to put the Giants.

          Comment

          • Chip Douglass
            Hall Of Fame
            • Dec 2005
            • 12256

            #80
            Re: 2007 San Francisco Giants

            Originally posted by CM1847
            You have to have something to build around, right now the Giants have a solid core of young pitching which is promising, but once Barry retires and they finally stop resigning all of these 35 year olds, the offense is in for a tough 2-4 year stretch unless they spend wildly every offseason.
            Frankly, even the FA's they signed weren't worth a damn (Finley, Matheny, Roberts, etc).

            The Giants probably realized they had no developing talent to rely upon (as you said, either traded or under-used), and went to the FA market to attempt to put together a final run for Barry.
            Last edited by Chip Douglass; 04-03-2007, 10:30 PM.
            I write things on the Internet.

            Comment

            • Scottdau
              Banned
              • Feb 2003
              • 32580

              #81
              Re: 2007 San Francisco Giants

              Originally posted by Olson-for-Heisman
              I think this view sums up the current situation of the Giants, which is also why they won't be competitive this year. So who do you expect to fill the shoes of the aging veterans on your team?

              I wouldn't mind A Rod or Miguel Cabrera, just to name a few!

              Comment

              • Chip Douglass
                Hall Of Fame
                • Dec 2005
                • 12256

                #82
                Re: 2007 San Francisco Giants

                Originally posted by Scottd
                I wouldn't mind A Rod or Miguel Cabrera, just to name a few!
                I think A-Rod is worth more than your entire payroll. It's probably desperation time in SF, can't blame you for dreaming.
                Last edited by Chip Douglass; 04-03-2007, 10:46 PM.
                I write things on the Internet.

                Comment

                • Scottdau
                  Banned
                  • Feb 2003
                  • 32580

                  #83
                  Re: 2007 San Francisco Giants

                  Originally posted by Olson-for-Heisman
                  Well, I think the "let's win one for Barry" approach is coming back to haunt the Giants.

                  It seems to me like instead of committing time to the minors and player development, they've strewn together a patchwork, over-the-hill team, whose window of opportunity probably already passed.

                  True, but you have to realize regardless how people feel about Bonds is was unbelievable! So they road for a long time and were competitive too. And to the last couple of years, mostly because he was hurt. When he was healthy and younger he could carry your team the whole year. Not to many guys can do that! They did with the pitching, but the hitting is where they drop the ball!

                  Comment

                  • Scottdau
                    Banned
                    • Feb 2003
                    • 32580

                    #84
                    Re: 2007 San Francisco Giants

                    Originally posted by Olson-for-Heisman
                    I think A-Rod is worth more than your entire payroll. It's probably desperation time in SF, can't blame you for dreaming.


                    They were taking about A Rod, still are here! It can happen. Also, I will say that new scoreboard in HDTV is amazing!

                    Comment

                    • BatsareBugs
                      LVP
                      • Feb 2003
                      • 12553

                      #85
                      Re: 2007 San Francisco Giants

                      Here's a quick fix solution. Hoard cheap bullpen pitchers, work them up then trade them to teams that need relievers for their prospects.

                      Or you can trade your second basemen for a backup catcher, then ship that back up catcher back to them for a dominant reliever, a better catcher, and cash.

                      Or you can trade an underachieving pitcher and a good reliever with a fringe prospect for a good pitcher, a good first basemen, and a decent 4th outfielder.

                      Just need a little creativity, but it might take a few years.

                      Comment

                      • Scottdau
                        Banned
                        • Feb 2003
                        • 32580

                        #86
                        Re: 2007 San Francisco Giants

                        Originally posted by Rag3vsW0rld
                        Here's a quick fix solution. Hoard cheap bullpen pitchers, work them up then trade them to teams that need relievers for their prospects.

                        Or you can trade your second basemen for a backup catcher, then ship that back up catcher back to them for a dominant reliever, a better catcher, and cash.

                        Or you can trade an underachieving pitcher and a good reliever with a fringe prospect for a good pitcher, a good first basemen, and a decent 4th outfielder.

                        Just need a little creativity, but it might take a few years.


                        Lmao, that is classic, you must be listening to BK!

                        Comment

                        • BatsareBugs
                          LVP
                          • Feb 2003
                          • 12553

                          #87
                          Re: 2007 San Francisco Giants

                          Originally posted by Scottd
                          Lmao, that is classic, you must be listening to BK!
                          Heh, it's no real secret. KT has managed to fleece the Red Sox and Rangers with such trades, but even if he pulls off a trade like Andy Sheets for Phil Nevin, he's got a few that would've been better had it not happened (Bay/Perez for Giles).

                          The Giants may be in trouble, but I think they have some depth at starting pitching that could help their situation with their lack of major league ready positional prospects or even net them a good hitter.

                          I mean, I expected the D-Backs to be a in a deeper hole than they are now.

                          Comment

                          • remix
                            MVP
                            • Aug 2004
                            • 2718

                            #88
                            Re: 2007 San Francisco Giants

                            Originally posted by Scottd
                            Prospects don't mean crap to me! It is all about free agents. You sign some good free agents you can go further then a bunch of prospect.

                            Oh how much I disagree with you.. just take ONE look at the Marlins. The Red Sox dealt one of the rising superstars and NL rookie of the year Hanley Ramirez and mr no hitter Anibal Sanchez for Beckett and Lowell. Not to take anything away from Beckett and Lowell, but damn. The Marlins virtually consisted of all prospects minus household names of Cabrera and Willis. Not only that, but they were a hell of a lot cheaper. Zito for $126million... weee. As much as I love Bonds, I'm more than ready for a new beginning. With that said, I wouldnt be surprised if he hit 30+ out this year
                            I do because I can, I can because I want, I want because you say I can't

                            Comment

                            • BatsareBugs
                              LVP
                              • Feb 2003
                              • 12553

                              #89
                              Re: 2007 San Francisco Giants

                              Prospects can get you a lot.

                              Develop a pipeline in the farm system, get some trading chips, and have some backup plans just in case F/As don't come.

                              In this day in age, it seems like good F/As are rare and they are pretty risky and costly.

                              Comment

                              • Scottdau
                                Banned
                                • Feb 2003
                                • 32580

                                #90
                                Re: 2007 San Francisco Giants

                                Originally posted by Rag3vsW0rld
                                Prospects can get you a lot.

                                Develop a pipeline in the farm system, get some trading chips, and have some backup plans just in case F/As don't come.

                                In this day in age, it seems like good F/As are rare and they are pretty risky and costly.
                                NO question about it, but the see prospects are just that prospects, you never know. That is why I am bigger in getting good free agents. Prospect can help you get some good already proven players, but so does free agenecy.

                                Comment

                                Working...