2008 Cincinnati Reds

[FlyerFanatic08]

Re: 2008 Cincinnati Reds

this is a freaking joke....EE sucks. where the hell are the bats, just stranded bases loaded.

[ESPNdeportes]

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I didn't hear this, but a friend of mine told me Marty and Jeff were saying how stupid it is to have to left-handed hitting guys at 1B. They're right, it is. I wonder how long Hatteberg is going to be with the team. Love him but Votto is the future. They shouldn't have two lefties at 1B.

Another good point I heard on the radio was that a guy like Votto isn't used to platooning, he's probably never done it in his career. He's used to being the everyday guy, and now, at the highest level you want him to platoon? Makes little sense to me. Just start him now. I like Hatteberg too, just keep him for pinch hitting when we need someone to make contact.

What a frustrating series with the Pirates. I haven't been able to watch games at all this year, and these are the first games I got to watch. This team can't hit lefties, and I honestly don't remember a time when a team stranded so many runners in a 3 game series. And we wasted some good starts, too. Just no clutch hitting what so ever.

I feel bad for Cueto getting 5 ER today, Hopper made an error misjudging McLouth's double, but of course it won't count like that in the scorebook. If he doesn't do that, I think he only gives up the two runs.

[HustlinOwl]

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I didn't hear this, but a friend of mine told me Marty and Jeff were saying how stupid it is to have to left-handed hitting guys at 1B. They're right, it is. I wonder how long Hatteberg is going to be with the team. Love him but Votto is the future. They shouldn't have two lefties at 1B.

Well hopefully when Gonzalez comes back we demote both Castro and Hatteberg and call up Andy Phillips and rotate EE and Keppinger at third/SS

[SlimKibbles]

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I heard George Grande say after the game that they left 32 guys on base in the series. That's ridiculous.

[HiJumpr111]

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I wonder what the ML record is for men LOB in a 3-game series.
Hell the NL record for men LOB in a 9-inning game is 18. We nearly flirted with that that number all three freakin' games this weekend!

If this team can't get timely hits on a semi-consistent basis, this could be a long, disappointing year.

In the past, I always knew there were limitations to this team's success -- afterall, the pitching has been horrendous for well over a decade.

Now that seemingly, that has been remedied all the way from SP to MR to SU to CL, we can't freakin' hit the ball when it counts.

I don't care if Edwin hit a GW HR early in the year. I don't care if he hits .299 lifetime in the month of August or whatever it is. If he can't hit now, (and throw the ball to first base within 6ft of the bag) his a** has no business playing everyday!

I know it's early, and we're only sitting at .500, but I am a very frustrated Reds fan right now.

Sorry for the vent.
I needed that.

[sportsdude]

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Encarnacion is about a week away from demotion to Louisville. His defense was supposed to be improved but it's been atrocious and now he's not hitting. I like EE, want to see him succeed and I hope so much he can turn into the player that he's capable of becoming. But for now, it looks like our best bet is to put Gonzalez at SS when he's healthy and move Keppinger to third.

I agree Votto needs consistent playing time. He hasn't been driving the ball but he's been getting hits and is a nice, patient hitter. The homers and RBIs will definitely come for him as long as he can get at bats. A platoon could really set him back if it lasts all season.

[jake44np]

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How do you take 2 of 3 in Milwaukee and then get swept by the Pirates??
Something has to be done about Edwin, 0 for 3 with the bases loaded the last 2 games against the Pirates. I know Dunn is not hitting at all but he is not going to see any good pitches at all with Edwin batting behind him. Also how can a major league 3B not be able to throw the ball from 3rd to 1st base??
I say they play Freel at 3B until Alex comes back.
We wasted 2 good pitching outings on Friday and Saturday, it seems everyone of our hitters are swinging very slow bats. Also Votto gets 3 hits Saturday and I am thinking cool he is going to break out now and start hitting. Then he doesnt even play Sunday??? I know a lefty was pitching put come on the line up Dusty put together Sunday was horrible.
I am tired of seeing Juan Castro bat at all, he has started 2 games the last week and is hittless. Keep Keppy at SS and play Votto, I already know Catro cant hit and we are struggling to score.

[joshuar9476]

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How do you take 2 of 3 in Milwaukee and then get swept by the Pirates??

we took 2 out of 3 against arizona and they've only lost one more game since then (9-3).

look, i think we were just incredibly unlucky this weekend. as long as we're getting hits, i'm fine, for now. those hits will spread out into hits with runners in scoring position.

[sportsdude]

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I find it amusing that Dusty doesn't "want to clog up the bases" but we stranded 32 runners against the Pirates. And twice in the last week a runner was held at third that could've scored.

[PhantomPain]

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How do you take 2 of 3 in Milwaukee and then get swept by the Pirates??
Something has to be done about Edwin, 0 for 3 with the bases loaded the last 2 games against the Pirates. I know Dunn is not hitting at all but he is not going to see any good pitches at all with Edwin batting behind him. Also how can a major league 3B not be able to throw the ball from 3rd to 1st base??
I say they play Freel at 3B until Alex comes back.
We wasted 2 good pitching outings on Friday and Saturday, it seems everyone of our hitters are swinging very slow bats. Also Votto gets 3 hits Saturday and I am thinking cool he is going to break out now and start hitting. Then he doesnt even play Sunday??? I know a lefty was pitching put come on the line up Dusty put together Sunday was horrible.
I am tired of seeing Juan Castro bat at all, he has started 2 games the last week and is hittless. Keep Keppy at SS and play Votto, I already know Catro cant hit and we are struggling to score.

I couldn't agree more with what you said. I like Hatteberg quite a bit but Votto is the future and now that he is starting to hit, he needs to play everyday. The only thing this lefty/lefty platoon can do is hurt his development.

As far as Castro, I can't believe he is even with the Reds again. Very good defensive guy but for crying out loud, he couldn't hit his way out of a wet paper bag.

Edwin needs to go to the minors or find a way to trade him. His potential has far outweighed his production and at some point you need to let go. I am also curious how a guy that is playing professional baseball at the highest level, that has probably taken 10's of thousands of ground balls in his life, can't make a throw from 3rd to 1st. I mean holy cow. It is absurd.

Dunn is Dunn and it very well may have to do with Edwin not being a good hitter behind him as to why he has such a slow start this year. Since you can just look at him wrong and he will strike out, I am sure the pitchers aren't throwing him anything remotely close to good. Although I admit living in Asheville I haven't seen a single game this year which is really starting to piss me off. Hopefully I will get a few games soon.

And yeah...swept by the Pirates. Boy I can't wait to see this offensive explosion and possible playoff run that some experts talked about. I guess when they say Cincy was a dark horse, they just meant invisible.

[slickdtc]

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Have the Reds considered moving EE to another position? Our IF is pretty clogged with Kepp/Gonzalez at SS and Phillips at 2B, but if we move an outfielder, maybe EE could get time out there. I mean, his defense is freaking killing us but he does have a decent bat.

Then again, the OF is pretty clogged too. Hell, move one of those OF's in to 3B and trade away EE. He still has to be worth something.

[SlimKibbles]

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Why don't they try EE at 1B? Solves the lack of a right-handed bat at that position. Votto can get the majority of the starts and EE can play against lefties and gets spot starts at 3B. He can't throw the ball to 1B so why not just play him there?

[sportsdude]

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well I'll be attending my first Reds games of the season next week. Going down for Tuesday's game against the Dodgers and Wednesday's game against the Astros. Hopefully we've turned things around a bit by then.

[PhantomPain]

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Why don't they try EE at 1B? Solves the lack of a right-handed bat at that position. Votto can get the majority of the starts and EE can play against lefties and gets spot starts at 3B. He can't throw the ball to 1B so why not just play him there?

That wouldn't be a horrible idea if EE was actually hitting the ball. With that said, I hate today's game. Not today as in Tuesday, but today as in this era. Whatever happened to players that could hit both lefty and righty pitchers? I don't know Votto's split stats coming up through the minors, but he has never platooned before so he must have been decent against lefties. But the more you don't play him, or any player for that matter, against lefty pitchers then the worse they will be when they actually get a chance. Like Hamilton last year. Yeah he was horrible against lefties, but when you see a lefty on a fraction of the season you can't be expected to be good at it.

Oh well, I digress. This has bothered me more and more every year and wanted to get that off my chest. Hopefully Harang can right the ship tonight.

[jake44np]

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Why don't they try EE at 1B? Solves the lack of a right-handed bat at that position. Votto can get the majority of the starts and EE can play against lefties and gets spot starts at 3B. He can't throw the ball to 1B so why not just play him there?

There are 3 things wrong with playing E5 I meen EE at 1st.
1. He has never played first and it is not as easy to play 1b in the majors as everyone thinks, see Dunn trying to play it a couple years ago.
2. Playing EE at first would meen he would only play once maybe twice a week against lefties, do we really want to have a 24 year old setting all the time? How would he break out of his bad hitting when he would only get a few at bats per week? I would rather send him down so he could play everyday. Besides we already have 2 1b on our roster now.
3. Why are we trying to find a place for him to play, he is not hitting at all!?? I could see moving him off 3b to 1b if he was struggling in the field (which he is) but knocking the cover off the ball. But he is not hitting, you dont move a guy to a new position if he is not hitting.

I really think he is going to end up being sent down, the thing is who plays 3b then?? And dont say Freel, he is just as bad in the field and has proved he is not an everyday player. The talk is around Cincy is bringing up Andy Green or Cabrera.