The Official San Diego Padres Thread

[bkrich83]

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Remember, both of those teams are pretty much built from within. .

Does it not fall on KT that the Padres have not been able to do just that?

[Alliball]

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Does it not fall on KT that the Padres have not been able to do just that?

Is any draft in any sport a sure thing?

That aside, take the Matt Bush pick. That pick was made because of signability. He was not considered the best player in draft that year and I remember reading things on more than one occasion what a head scratcher of a pick that was. It boiled down to the fact that ownership didn't want to shell out a whole ton of money on a draft pick. Other clubs may not even think twice about such an issue, but San Diego does.

But if you want to rag on Towers about his ability to find young talent, just look at what he's traded away. I would love to see an outfield of Bay, Matthews and Nady, but I have to settle for watching 2/3 of them playing in Pittsburgh and the other guy is just up the road. I think that's why you won't see him deal a guy like Headley unless he knows he's getting a sure fire major league talent in return. With the world of hindsight that all fans live in, can you blame him?

[bkrich83]

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Is any draft in any sport a sure thing?

That aside, take the Matt Bush pick. That pick was made because of signability. He was not considered the best player in draft that year and I remember reading things on more than one occasion what a head scratcher of a pick that was. It boiled down to the fact that ownership didn't want to shell out a whole ton of money on a draft pick. Other clubs may not even think twice about such an issue, but San Diego does.

But if you want to rag on Towers about his ability to find young talent, just look at what he's traded away. I would love to see an outfield of Bay, Matthews and Nady, but I have to settle for watching 2/3 of them playing in Pittsburgh and the other guy is just up the road. I think that's why you won't see him deal a guy like Headley unless he knows he's getting a sure fire major league talent in return. With the world of hindsight that all fans live in, can you blame him?

Question remains, who's at fault for the Padres lack of ability to cultivate homegrown talent? Why is it the GM's of teams like Arizona and Colorado can do it, but the Padres can't. Does trading away guys like Nady and Bay, not fall under his watch?

He's the primary reason this team is mired in mediocrity, and appears like they will be for some time.

[BatsareBugs]

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Question remains, who's at fault for the Padres lack of ability to cultivate homegrown talent? Why is it the GM's of teams like Arizona and Colorado can do it, but the Padres can't. Does trading away guys like Nady and Bay, not fall under his watch?

He's the primary reason this team is mired in mediocrity, and appears like they will be for some time.

Kevin Towers, John Moores, Bruce Bochy, and the scouts.

Kevin Towers and the scouts are to blame for the lack of returns from the drafts 2004 and before that. When you only produce three major leaguers, dozens of busts, and only one player that has potential, then you're not doing your ballclub any good. Then again, for as much as our farm system stunk in terms of providing depth between 2004-2007, Kevin Towers also deserves the credit on pulling off trades that kept this team from being a joke.

John Moores gets the blame for Matt Bush. We were primed to get either Stephen Drew, Justin Verlander, or Jeremy Sowers, but Moores pegged KT with financial restrictions on the draft and pretty much told him "make something out of nothing." He's finally getting his head straight with the Domincan facilities, although we won't see anyone of note for a couple of years.

Bruce Bochy, for ****ing over Xavier Nady by playing Miguel Ojeda in the OF instead of Nady and benching Nady for a week when he would go 0-4.

[Alliball]

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Question remains, who's at fault for the Padres lack of ability to cultivate homegrown talent? Why is it the GM's of teams like Arizona and Colorado can do it, but the Padres can't. Does trading away guys like Nady and Bay, not fall under his watch?

He's the primary reason this team is mired in mediocrity, and appears like they will be for some time.

I want to know who tied up and hid Towers away while the Bell, Merideth, Bard, Gonzales, Young and Kouzmanoff deals were going down. You want to knock him for two questionable trades but ignore 4 flat ripoffs. Do yourself a favor and go see where the guys that Towers traded away are for the above mentioned, it's pretty funny.

At least Brain Giles and Mike Cameron are still in the majors and are fairly productive.

Not even the best of the best GM's are right 100% of the time.

To be honest, aside from the 2003 Marlins, I can't think of a single team in the last 10 years that's won a World Series with homegrown talent. It just doesn't happen, you have to still go out and pay some big money to 2 or 3 guys to get you over the top, which last I checked Moores wasn't willing to do. Even the Diamondbacks had to go out and get a Danny Haren, and a guy like him isn't exactly cheap. The great wonderful Diamondbacks signed Glaus to a stupid deal, thankfully their brilliant new GM was able to find a taker for that garbage contract.

[Alliball]

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Kevin Towers, John Moores, Bruce Bochy, and the scouts.

Kevin Towers and the scouts are to blame for the lack of returns from the drafts 2004 and before that. When you only produce three major leaguers, dozens of busts, and only one player that has potential, then you're not doing your ballclub any good. Then again, for as much as our farm system stunk in terms of providing depth between 2004-2007, Kevin Towers also deserves the credit on pulling off trades that kept this team from being a joke.

John Moores gets the blame for Matt Bush. We were primed to get either Stephen Drew, Justin Verlander, or Jeremy Sowers, but Moores pegged KT with financial restrictions on the draft and pretty much told him "make something out of nothing." He's finally getting his head straight with the Domincan facilities, although we won't see anyone of note for a couple of years.

Bruce Bochy, for ****ing over Xavier Nady by playing Miguel Ojeda in the OF instead of Nady and benching Nady for a week when he would go 0-4.

This is one of the many moves over his last couple of years in San Diego that put a sour taste in my mouth.

I know for a fact that Kouzmanoff would never have gotten a chance to break out of his early season slump in 2007 if Bochy was still the manager.

We should also remember that Towers should get little to no credit for bringing in Black.

[bkrich83]

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I want to know who tied up and hid Towers away while the Bell, Merideth, Bard, Gonzales, Young and Kouzmanoff deals were going down. You want to knock him for two questionable trades but ignore 4 flat ripoffs. Do yourself a favor and go see where the guys that Towers traded away are for the above mentioned, it's pretty funny.

At least Brain Giles and Mike Cameron are still in the majors and are fairly productive.

Not even the best of the best GM's are right 100% of the time.

To be honest, aside from the 2003 Marlins, I can't think of a single team in the last 10 years that's won a World Series with homegrown talent. It just doesn't happen, you have to still go out and pay some big money to 2 or 3 guys to get you over the top, which last I checked Moores wasn't willing to do. Even the Diamondbacks had to go out and get a Danny Haren, and a guy like him isn't exactly cheap. The great wonderful Diamondbacks signed Glaus to a stupid deal, thankfully their brilliant new GM was able to find a taker for that garbage contract.

Way to avoid the question. First you say Colorado and Arizona got where they were due to homegrown talent, when I ask whose to blame for the Padres lack of homegrown talent you say homegrown talent isn't that important. I am not knocking him for just 2 trades. I am knocking him for not making this team a viable contender after a decade or so. Padres are only slightly less mediocre than they were in 2002 or 2003. Only a down division allowed them some post-season experience, and it was quite evident once they got to the post season, the difference in talent level between them and the rest of the playoff teams.

Keep defending Towers as if he's actually done something worth defending. Sorry this doesn't fall strictly on Moores. While he does bear some blame, Towers simply hasn't done a good enough job to make this team better.

Dbacks aren't paying Haren anything and he came via trade. The Padres simply didn't have the depth in the farm system to even make an offer for a player like him.

Haren is under contract through 2010 and is owed just $15.75 million over those three years. Therefore, his cost in terms of money is low, but you can bet his cost in terms of talent would be in line with what the Twins will ask for Santana.

http://pinstriped.wordpress.com/2007/11/27/dan-haren-johan-santana-or-mark-prior-in-pinstripes/

[chilli311]

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Good win. Peavy still owns LA, even if this wasn't his best game against them.

Meanwhile, as much as I love Trevor, he really does look rough out there. I hate to say it, but it may be time...

[chilli311]

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So, after getting rocked 11-1 yesterday, SD bounces back for a 1-0 game. Welcome to Padre baseball.

P.S. Congrats to Mad Dog on win 349. He'll have his shot at 350 against Arizona next weekend.

[BatsareBugs]

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Might want to check hell if it froze over, Khalil Greene not only walked twice in a game, but in the same inning.

It'll be years before that happens again. Good win by the Padres, too bad Wolf lost the no-hitter in the seventh, but he was high in the pitch count. And a welcome back to Kevin Cameron. He's a lot better than Enrique Gonzalez.

[chilli311]

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And a welcome back to Kevin Cameron. He's a lot better than Enrique Gonzalez.

QFT

That 5th inning was a thing of beauty. Had the bases loaded 3 times, and got 3 doubles out of it. Add that to a great outing by Wolf, and I'm happy with tonight's game. How bout Wolf though? He's off to an outstanding start!

P.S. I hate Hawpe. That's the second no hit bid that he's screwed up for the Padres (CY went 7 2/3 against the Rockies a few years back).

[BatsareBugs]

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Yeah, those extra base hits in those situations were nice to see.

Tomorrow is Germano vs. Redman. Should be interesting.

[TheTruth916]

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Yeah, those extra base hits in those situations were nice to see.

Tomorrow is Germano vs. Redman. Should be interesting.

How about Kooz??? wheres Barfield now??. Man Kooz has started this year great. Also it was nice to not single the rockies to death and we got some pop last night.

Good win....Boy is Wolf a different pitcher now..

[bkrich83]

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How about Kooz??? wheres Barfield now??. Man Kooz has started this year great. Also it was nice to not single the rockies to death and we got some pop last night.

Good win....Boy is Wolf a different pitcher now..

Yeah he's awesome. If he's a Padre he's automatically awesome right? 3 Extra base hits. I thought they already got rid of Burroughs.

I hope you enjoy mediocrity, because this team has been mired in it, and will continue to be for the forseeable future.

[BatsareBugs]

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Yeah he's awesome. If he's a Padre he's automatically awesome right? 3 Extra base hits. I thought they already got rid of Burroughs.

Wow you just like to pick anything negative you can find on Kouzmanoff's stats. Two weeks into the season and he's already Sean Burroughs v. 2 in your books.