Official Cincinnati Reds Thread

[jasontoddwhitt]

Re: 2015 Cincinnati Reds

Cueto and "general soreness and stiffness in the elbow" is not what I want to hear uttered in the same sentence.

Cause with the track record of this medical staff....that screams Tommy John surgery.

[redsrule]

Re: 2015 Cincinnati Reds

Cueto and "general soreness and stiffness in the elbow" is not what I want to hear uttered in the same sentence.

Cause with the track record of this medical staff....that screams Tommy John surgery.

Rip Cueto's career. Seriously I hope that it isn't that serious and he just misses one start. He deserves that huge pay day he's going to get.

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[TheShizNo1]

Re: 2015 Cincinnati Reds

Hopefully it's just BS and they have a trade in the works.... Wishful thinking?

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[redsrule]

Re: 2015 Cincinnati Reds

Hopefully it's just BS and they have a trade in the works.... Wishful thinking?

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Yeah. He's not getting traded before the all star break because our owner is dumb and our GM is even worse.

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[CaseIH]

Re: 2015 Cincinnati Reds

Yeah. He's not getting traded before the all star break because our owner is dumb and our GM is even worse.

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I wouldnt say that about our owner, this ownership is a heck of a lot better than Carl Linder was, and while Marge did bring a WS title here she didn't put any value in scouting and our farm system was putrid. Mr C has done a heck of a job considering how bad this franchise was when they took over it.


Walt has made a few good moves as GM, really the only issue I have ever had is his unwillingness to put guys on the DL and the manager having to play shorthanded so much, he did it with Dusty and he does it to Price as well. I do tend to think that the game might be passing him up, and I wonder just how much energy he actually puts into anymore.


Really as far as going out an getting what we needed this offseason wasn't all to easy, so Id say he probably did all he could to improve the team. With Votto's contract they really handicapped themselves Im afraid and that is not only on Walt but probably more so ownership because any deal like that definitely is made by the owner. The did shop Bruce although How hard Im not sure.


I cant imagine them keeping Cueto all season unless we turn things around and are in contention for the postseason, then Id say they keep him if were more than likely making the PS, which would make sense, unless were just a barely hanging on to a WC spot then not so much.


Id say after All Star break we will see several players being shopped and definitely see Cueto being traded and anyone else they don't have plans for long term.


Hopefully Cueto doesn't have anything serious wrong and its just fatigue, that would suck if he has a major injury and we cant trade him. Which I was a little worried about before the season started, Cueto hasn't ever put back to back 200+ innings in a season before, and the main reason I have said the Reds would be crazy to resign him is because it likely he will have a major arm injury, either TJ or shoulder issues. I was hoping that would wait till he wasn't in a Reds uniform before it happened.


In all honesty if Cueto starts feeling better they probably should start to limit his pitches and start to shop him now, so they don't get stuck with a injured Cueto, if they haven't already. As much as I hate to say it, I think this season is a goner, we just don't look good at all, they also need to be careful and not let Byrd get to the # of PA to where next yr becomes guaranteed, as there is no way I want stuck with him at his age next season.

[PhantomPain]

Re: 2015 Cincinnati Reds

I wouldnt say that about our owner, this ownership is a heck of a lot better than Carl Linder was, and while Marge did bring a WS title here she didn't put any value in scouting and our farm system was putrid. Mr C has done a heck of a job considering how bad this franchise was when they took over it.


Walt has made a few good moves as GM, really the only issue I have ever had is his unwillingness to put guys on the DL and the manager having to play shorthanded so much, he did it with Dusty and he does it to Price as well. I do tend to think that the game might be passing him up, and I wonder just how much energy he actually puts into anymore.


Really as far as going out an getting what we needed this offseason wasn't all to easy, so Id say he probably did all he could to improve the team. With Votto's contract they really handicapped themselves Im afraid and that is not only on Walt but probably more so ownership because any deal like that definitely is made by the owner. The did shop Bruce although How hard Im not sure.


I cant imagine them keeping Cueto all season unless we turn things around and are in contention for the postseason, then Id say they keep him if were more than likely making the PS, which would make sense, unless were just a barely hanging on to a WC spot then not so much.


Id say after All Star break we will see several players being shopped and definitely see Cueto being traded and anyone else they don't have plans for long term.


Hopefully Cueto doesn't have anything serious wrong and its just fatigue, that would suck if he has a major injury and we cant trade him. Which I was a little worried about before the season started, Cueto hasn't ever put back to back 200+ innings in a season before, and the main reason I have said the Reds would be crazy to resign him is because it likely he will have a major arm injury, either TJ or shoulder issues. I was hoping that would wait till he wasn't in a Reds uniform before it happened.


In all honesty if Cueto starts feeling better they probably should start to limit his pitches and start to shop him now, so they don't get stuck with a injured Cueto, if they haven't already. As much as I hate to say it, I think this season is a goner, we just don't look good at all, they also need to be careful and not let Byrd get to the # of PA to where next yr becomes guaranteed, as there is no way I want stuck with him at his age next season.

If that is your only real issue with Jocketty then you are much better off than I am. I take issue with the fact that when our team was close to being a playoff team, Jocketty would sit back and do absolutely nothing to help get us over the hump. How many times did we hear at the trade deadline, "I like my team" or "We were willing to trade but everyone wanted too much" then you see another team make a trade for players that we could have easily have done ourselves.

I take issue with signing guys on their way out to contracts that no one would give.

I take issue with him leaving the team shorthanded all the time.

I take issue with hanging on to players for years too long (see Stubbs as worst example)

I take issue with not seeing the writing on the wall the past two years and not making trades when they have the most value. Should have known they wouldn't be able to sign Cueto long term a year ago and traded him for max value. If trading Cueto, you trade Chapman too, again while he is at the highest value. Cueto a year ago gave a team control for a year and half. Could have really set the team up nice with his trade alone.

I take issue with the team hiring Price. I was open to it when it happened and hoped it would be a breath of fresh air, but it isn't. He is over his head and unfortunately needs to go.

I take issue with absurd contracts to players like Votto, Bailey and Phillips. I get why they signed Votto to that contract, and no one knew he would be so injured afterwards, but in my opinion a small market team should never be giving out 10 year contracts. Bailey the same thing.

Which leads me to something that may or may not have anything to do with Jocketty, but for crying out loud can't they get a training and medical staff that is at least adequate?

This is a pretty decent open letter to Castellini. I have never been a big saber guy, but I do see some value and I do think the game is changing in that direction. Seems like we might want to get on board:

An Open Letter to Mr. Castellini

[jasontoddwhitt]

Re: 2015 Cincinnati Reds

Mesoraco FINALLY put on the DL today. To recap, he was originally taken out of the lineup on April 13th. Today is May 25th. Thank you Uncle Walt....would you please pink slip yourself?

Cueto having his elbow examined today.

And look at the lineup that Price has penciled in for today.

2B Phillips
1B Votto
3B Frazier
RF Bruce
C Pena
LF Byrd
SS Cozart
P Marquis
CF Hamilton

Flawed? With this roster, of course. But I'll give him credit for thinking outside the box.

Now if he could just think outside the box with his bullpen.

[redsrule]

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If that is your only real issue with Jocketty then you are much better off than I am. I take issue with the fact that when our team was close to being a playoff team, Jocketty would sit back and do absolutely nothing to help get us over the hump. How many times did we hear at the trade deadline, "I like my team" or "We were willing to trade but everyone wanted too much" then you see another team make a trade for players that we could have easily have done ourselves.

I take issue with signing guys on their way out to contracts that no one would give.

I take issue with him leaving the team shorthanded all the time.

I take issue with hanging on to players for years too long (see Stubbs as worst example)

I take issue with not seeing the writing on the wall the past two years and not making trades when they have the most value. Should have known they wouldn't be able to sign Cueto long term a year ago and traded him for max value. If trading Cueto, you trade Chapman too, again while he is at the highest value. Cueto a year ago gave a team control for a year and half. Could have really set the team up nice with his trade alone.

I take issue with the team hiring Price. I was open to it when it happened and hoped it would be a breath of fresh air, but it isn't. He is over his head and unfortunately needs to go.

I take issue with absurd contracts to players like Votto, Bailey and Phillips. I get why they signed Votto to that contract, and no one knew he would be so injured afterwards, but in my opinion a small market team should never be giving out 10 year contracts. Bailey the same thing.

Which leads me to something that may or may not have anything to do with Jocketty, but for crying out loud can't they get a training and medical staff that is at least adequate?

This is a pretty decent open letter to Castellini. I have never been a big saber guy, but I do see some value and I do think the game is changing in that direction. Seems like we might want to get on board:

An Open Letter to Mr. Castellini

Agreed 100% with this. My biggest issue in regards to the Votto contract was that it was totally unnecessary to give a guy that long of a contract. The comps around were like 6 years/150 million. I would have been fine with that. Not 10 years for that much with Cincinnati. Look at Tampa Bay. They ship guys out when they get expensive, make an emphasis on the farm system and had a very sabermetric friendly front office/manager (Maddon) before the departures the last couple of years.

I liked the idea of hiring Price, mainly because of how he said he was going to hold guys accountable, not use specific roles for guys (like Chapman), not give a guy a personal catcher (like last year with Mesoraco mashing). The problem with that is he didn't keep up his end on anything he said. For that he needs to go. Hire someone that understands that and is willing to actually stick with that kind of stuff. I love Barry Larkin, but from hearing him talk he seems like an "old school" type of guy. They need a forward thinking guy badly (even more so in the front office).

Lastly but it won't happen because Castellini is friends with him, he needs to empty out the front office ASAP. Don't wait until the end of the year. Do it now. These next 4 months or so are crucial to the future of the Reds. Assuming Cueto isn't seriously hurt, get someone in here to get great value for him and Chapman. Trade Leake if you think you can get good value for him. Same with Bruce and Byrd depending on how they are hitting come July. Frazier would be the big trade. Try and go get a top 5 prospect for him from a team like Houston that is becoming a contender.

[redsrule]

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Mesoraco FINALLY put on the DL today. To recap, he was originally taken out of the lineup on April 13th. Today is May 25th. Thank you Uncle Walt....would you please pink slip yourself?

Cueto having his elbow examined today.

And look at the lineup that Price has penciled in for today.

2B Phillips
1B Votto
3B Frazier
RF Bruce
C Pena
LF Byrd
SS Cozart
P Marquis
CF Hamilton

Flawed? With this roster, of course. But I'll give him credit for thinking outside the box.

Now if he could just think outside the box with his bullpen.

I actually like that lineup all things considered a lot. The only think I'd consider is flipping Pena and Cozart. Phillips is probably the best guy to lead off on the team right now. No power, still has some speed. Votto is the perfect #2 guy. I hated when he moved from that after it being so successful early. Hit Hamilton 9th because if he gets on he sets the table for the top of the order.

[CaseIH]

Re: 2015 Cincinnati Reds

If that is your only real issue with Jocketty then you are much better off than I am. I take issue with the fact that when our team was close to being a playoff team, Jocketty would sit back and do absolutely nothing to help get us over the hump. How many times did we hear at the trade deadline, "I like my team" or "We were willing to trade but everyone wanted too much" then you see another team make a trade for players that we could have easily have done ourselves.

I take issue with signing guys on their way out to contracts that no one would give.

I take issue with him leaving the team shorthanded all the time.

I take issue with hanging on to players for years too long (see Stubbs as worst example)

I take issue with not seeing the writing on the wall the past two years and not making trades when they have the most value. Should have known they wouldn't be able to sign Cueto long term a year ago and traded him for max value. If trading Cueto, you trade Chapman too, again while he is at the highest value. Cueto a year ago gave a team control for a year and half. Could have really set the team up nice with his trade alone.

I take issue with the team hiring Price. I was open to it when it happened and hoped it would be a breath of fresh air, but it isn't. He is over his head and unfortunately needs to go.

I take issue with absurd contracts to players like Votto, Bailey and Phillips. I get why they signed Votto to that contract, and no one knew he would be so injured afterwards, but in my opinion a small market team should never be giving out 10 year contracts. Bailey the same thing.

Which leads me to something that may or may not have anything to do with Jocketty, but for crying out loud can't they get a training and medical staff that is at least adequate?

This is a pretty decent open letter to Castellini. I have never been a big saber guy, but I do see some value and I do think the game is changing in that direction. Seems like we might want to get on board:

An Open Letter to Mr. Castellini

Oh I took issue with Walt in 13 when he didn't block the Pirates from getting Byrd, when we needed a LF'er that could hit. Instead he gets Byrd 2 years to late.


Votto's contract is as much on owners as it is Walt because any deal that big is out of the hands of a GM and owners have to agree. Like you I understand why they did it, and Votto being 1 of my favorite players I was happy he was staying here, but did think that was a lot of money for a small market team to put into 1 player. Homer deal really isn't out of line when you look at what pitchers get now days, and they were paying Homer on what they were expecting to get in the future out of him, as he had showed progress and a guy who seem to step up in big games. BP contract yeah, is probably a little to much for this team like Votto's, but then again you got a guy who gives his all and plays thru pain to give his all and is a fan favorite, so like Votto's deal I don't blame them for BP deal, and when you looked at it, considering where he rank at his position it wasn't really a bad contract.


I was for the Price hiring at the time, but I do now think he might be over his head, although lately he hasn't really made any bad decisions, its just the team is playing horrible. While I did like Dusty, it was time for him to go and probably should have been gone sooner than that actually along with Jacoby, as I didn't feel Dusty was capable of leading ateam to a WS title, and I have always hated Jacoby. I do think that our hitting woes is on the players though, and probably wasn't all on Jacoby just like Id say its not Don Long fault we can seem to score runs.


While Im not a fan of always firing manager and coaches when things are bad, because they can only do so much they don't hit,field, or pitch, I do think it might be in our best interest to make a change, but probably wont be before All Star break. Cant believe Im saying this but Id probably make Rigglman the manager, or I would go ahead and have Barry Larkin be the manager, as I know he is interested in managing, and I think Barry could possibly make a good manager. I like Price and had hope he would succeed but Im thinking he is best served as a pitching coach as we know he is good at that job.

[CaseIH]

Re: 2015 Cincinnati Reds

I actually like that lineup all things considered a lot. The only think I'd consider is flipping Pena and Cozart. Phillips is probably the best guy to lead off on the team right now. No power, still has some speed. Votto is the perfect #2 guy. I hated when he moved from that after it being so successful early. Hit Hamilton 9th because if he gets on he sets the table for the top of the order.

This is the 1 thing I think Price does very well, as he don't sit on his hands like Dusty did and run the same lineups out everyday an leave players that have no business at the top of the lineup there to fail and loose all confidence. While the moves haven't been able to light a fire in the offense he does try to get them going, this was always the thing I hate about Dusty and I was typically supportive of Dusty.


Oddly enough I think Price does a better job of managing the lineup card than Dusty did, but Dusty actually managed the pitching better, imagine that,lol. Although I do think Price has improved in that area some, honestly hard to make right moves with the pen when they all basically seem to have issues, except for Chapman and he has had some bumps lately, but that could be just needing more work, so he stays sharp.

[PhantomPain]

Re: 2015 Cincinnati Reds

Random thought: Should they consider teaching Mez to play third base and put Frazier in left?

Would extend Mez's career and solve left field. Just a thought.

[redsrule]

Re: 2015 Cincinnati Reds

Random thought: Should they consider teaching Mez to play third base and put Frazier in left?

Would extend Mez's career and solve left field. Just a thought.

Teach Mesoraco left. Frazier is very good defensively. No reason to move him.

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[CaseIH]

Re: 2015 Cincinnati Reds

Teach Mesoraco left. Frazier is very good defensively. No reason to move him.

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I agree, wouldn't make sense to move 1 of the best defensive 3rd basemans in the NL for a guy who hasn't ever played 3rd base before. IMO having Mesoraco work some in LF and give him some practice at 1st base as well so he could give Votto a break every now and then would be the smartest thing to do.


It sounds like there is a chance even after having what they call as minor hip surgery that Mez might not be able to catch again, or much. With Mesoraco's bat it really makes more sense to just go ahead and make the position move to extend his career along with not putting so much wear on him thuout the season by catching anyway, he is too good of a hitter to not have in the lineup everyday. Mez does run fairly well, so I think he would get the hang of LF fairly quickly. Plus if Matt Holiday can play LF no better than he is then Mesoraco should be able to do it fairly easy

[PhantomPain]

Re: 2015 Cincinnati Reds

I agree, wouldn't make sense to move 1 of the best defensive 3rd basemans in the NL for a guy who hasn't ever played 3rd base before. IMO having Mesoraco work some in LF and give him some practice at 1st base as well so he could give Votto a break every now and then would be the smartest thing to do.


It sounds like there is a chance even after having what they call as minor hip surgery that Mez might not be able to catch again, or much. With Mesoraco's bat it really makes more sense to just go ahead and make the position move to extend his career along with not putting so much wear on him thuout the season by catching anyway, he is too good of a hitter to not have in the lineup everyday. Mez does run fairly well, so I think he would get the hang of LF fairly quickly. Plus if Matt Holiday can play LF no better than he is then Mesoraco should be able to do it fairly easy

The reason why I suggested a move for Mez to third and Frazier to left is because 1st and 3rd are typically natural moves for catchers. I think Frazier is talented enough to excel in left field whereas Mez would likely be serviceable at best. Mez does move fairly well for a catcher though and I wouldn't be surprised or opposed to him moving to left. It just seems that Frazier would be even better and there is a chance that Mez could excel at third.

Anyway, it was just a random thought when thinking about Mez and his career.