Official Boston Red Sox 2005 Thread

[boston_sports_rule]

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When Schill comes back, it's already stated by many that Arroyo is going to the pen, does anyone think that the sox should go for a 6 man rotation?

[Stu]

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When Schill comes back, it's already stated by many that Arroyo is going to the pen, does anyone think that the sox should go for a 6 man rotation?

I don't think they should use a 6-man rotation. Pitchers are creatures of habit so it's better to have them throw on their normal rest. Moving Arroyo to the bullpen also solves one of our biggest needs. It provides us with another reliable setup man if Mantei can't get his control problems solved. Timlin isn't getting any younger, so having Arroyo to take some of his innings away would help keep him fresh.

[Beantown]

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I'm upset Schilling is coming back the 10th...I'm going to game in Baltimore on the 9th

As far as a 6-man rotation, it would be better suited to put another guy in the bullpen because that is where most of our problems have come from. I think it should be Wake in the pen, because bringing in a knuckleballer to get 6 outs is better, in my mind, than having a knuckleballer try to get 7 innings, because hitters, after seeing normla pitches, would be more off balance if a knuckleballer came in for relief. Just my 2 cents.

[boston_sports_rule]

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I agree that Wake should go to the pen but i think that the sox will still need to go get another rp.

[GBrushTWood]

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Does anybody want to see Wakefield being run out there with RISP? I don't. The effect of having even 1 wild pitch/passed ball in a bullpen role is seen much more than in a starting role. Also, I imagine that teams will be pinch running and sending runners as soon as he enters the game, and putting critical runs in scoring position merely based on his presence. He would really need to be striking out most batters in a bullpen role to really be successful.

Given the choice between Arroyo and Wakefield going to the pen, I choose Arroyo everytime, because he seems to be better suited to fit the role (especially as a ROOGY in certain situations). Of course, this is under the assumption that one is not truly better than the other as a starter (You can argue this one for days). The only downside to putting Arroyo in the bullpen is that you are potentially stunting his development as a starter.

And let's not bring up putting Miller in the bullpen; I don't think his arm can handle being called upon multiple days in a row.

[Beantown]

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Good point Gbrush, I didn't really think of that(the passed balls) but I really wish Arroyo could stay a starter. The other problem with Wake in the pen is Tek would have to really learn how to catch him, cause you're not going to sub in Wake and Doug every game in the 6th or 7th.

[boston_sports_rule]

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I feel that with Schill coming back can disrupt the sox and their great streak. I feel that schill should wait to pitch after the all star break against new york.

The reason is that with the rotation doing great, the sox can change the rotation to begin the 2nd half of the season.

[Stu]

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I feel that with Schill coming back can disrupt the sox and their great streak. I feel that schill should wait to pitch after the all star break against new york.

The reason is that with the rotation doing great, the sox can change the rotation to begin the 2nd half of the season.

Schilling is scheduled to pitch July 10th, the day before the all-star break, so it shouldn't be too much of a disruption. Either way, a healthy Schill will be well worth the trouble.

[Misfit]

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Arroyo is just the odd man out. Its unfortunate for him because he's proven he's a capable starter but he can probably find success out of the pen. If someone in the roatation falters though and Arroyo is having success then they'll need to have a quick hook and put Arroyo back into the rotation. If Miller can't get it going consistently he could potentially be a lethal arm out of the pen, but as someone pointed out, its unclear how much his arm could handle.

[TheGenius]

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While Gammons continues to say that the Sox have no interest in SF SP Jason Schmidt, some sources are saying the Sox are close to a deal.

What I have to say about this is, if the Sox do acquire Schmidt, it has to be for cheap. It's going to create more of a logjam in the rotation, even if a Schilling/Clement/Schmidt rotation would be very deadly in the playoffs. I don't think you can give up a lot for something that's not really needed, unless Theo thinks moving both Wake and Arroyo to the pen will strenghten it enough for the rest of the year.

[Stu]

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While Gammons continues to say that the Sox have no interest in SF SP Jason Schmidt, some sources are saying the Sox are close to a deal.

What I have to say about this is, if the Sox do acquire Schmidt, it has to be for cheap. It's going to create more of a logjam in the rotation, even if a Schilling/Clement/Schmidt rotation would be very deadly in the playoffs. I don't think you can give up a lot for something that's not really needed, unless Theo thinks moving both Wake and Arroyo to the pen will strenghten it enough for the rest of the year.

My feeling on the Schmidt talks is they are just keeping communication open in case Schilling suffers a setback. While Schilling is talking and acting like he is back to 100%, that may not be the case. One thing Theo has excelled at since becoming the Red Sox GM, is keeping our options open.

I think if Schilling is healthy, Schmidt in the rotation is just too much, unless they plan on dealing Arroyo.

[Stu]

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Manny just picked up his 10th Outfield Assist on a throw to 3rd. He leads the league and Red Sox OF'ers lead MLB as well.

[ILLCHILL]

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Bellhorn hit a blast. Its homer central this weekend.
Manny has so many assists because people STILL give him no credit and think they can burn his arm. Trot Nixon is no Johnny Damon with the arm either.

[Stu]

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Bellhorn hit a blast. Its homer central this weekend.
Manny has so many assists because people STILL give him no credit and think they can burn his arm. Trot Nixon is no Johnny Damon with the arm either.

Yup, teams keep testing him and he keeps throwing them out. It also helps that he plays in Fenway, where he can play very shallow due to the wall.

[Stu]

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How did that one go out? Manny hits a routine fly ball to right and gets a grand slam. He's now tied with Eddie Murray for the 2nd most grand slams ever at 19, 4 behind Gehrig.