2010 Recruiting Discussion Thread

[VTPack919]

Re: 2010 Recruiting Discussion Thread

countryboy, I have no issues with you and wasn't taking offense to your posts, just conversing. But I really don't want to get into with you because like I said, I have no issues with you at all.

But to respond to your last two posts, a couple of things. One, I am perfectly fine with people not liking UK or Calipari. But if they attack, I will defend. Sorry if you or anyone else thinks that's stupid or silly, but that's how it is for me. Two, I am not trying to say "might as well make people not like me either" because I really don't care. BHut I may take on a different posting technique that some people may not like. If that makes them not like me, then so be it. I am well within my rights to do this if I choose. I try to be respectful of my posts and try not to attack people. If I have in the past unwarranted, then I have apologized. But I think it is my right to defend when attacked. So to sum it up, I am fine with it, I will defend and I will continue to come into these forums.

Maybe try not to construe every quasi-negative thing said about Calipari into an "attack" whether it be against him or UK. People don't like Calipari. A lot of people think he is a slimeball. They have their reasons obviously, and you have your reasons (he has never been caught/looking to other way/being naive). It doesn't really matter in the end. You have done more than enough defending in the past. Just give it up and you will be a lot happier, I promise.

[countryboy]

Re: 2010 Recruiting Discussion Thread

countryboy, I have no issues with you and wasn't taking offense to your posts, just conversing. But I really don't want to get into with you because like I said, I have no issues with you at all.

But to respond to your last two posts, a couple of things. One, I am perfectly fine with people not liking UK or Calipari. But if they attack, I will defend. Sorry if you or anyone else thinks that's stupid or silly, but that's how it is for me. Two, I am not trying to say "might as well make people not like me either" because I really don't care. BHut I may take on a different posting technique that some people may not like. If that makes them not like me, then so be it. I am well within my rights to do this if I choose. I try to be respectful of my posts and try not to attack people. If I have in the past unwarranted, then I have apologized. But I think it is my right to defend when attacked. So to sum it up, I am fine with it, I will defend and I will continue to come into these forums.

I never said you were stupid or silly. Never said you shouldn't defend against people attacking your school.

But you are seriously making this a bigger deal than it really is.

[PhantomPain]

Re: 2010 Recruiting Discussion Thread

And that's your problem. I haven't said anything different than what others have. Hell, I was even being nice by trying the best I could to explain the mindset...and not only did you get defensive, you blew up like Donald Duck chasing after Huey, Dewey and Louie.

I don't know if it's a left brain/right brain dealy or what, but the fact that you refuse to even try to listen to reason is strange. What's even more strange and, in fact, kind of scary is that the thought someone trying to reason with you enrages your very being.

LOL

Oh I'm so sorry. I didn't realize you were being nice and trying to reason. Would hate to see how you post/talk when you aren't being nice or trying to reason!

Ooooh Scary!

[Marino]

Re: 2010 Recruiting Discussion Thread

Okay, this is done. Last warning, we need to move on from this.

[P2K]

Re: 2010 Recruiting Discussion Thread

LOL

Oh I'm so sorry. I didn't realize you were being nice and trying to reason. Would hate to see how you post/talk when you aren't being nice or trying to reason!

Ooooh Scary!

Wow...

Well, I guess we were taught how to deal with future recruiting threads. Like Marino said, time to move on. I wonder if there can be more success helping the football recruiting thread

[wildcatchild]

Re: 2010 Recruiting Discussion Thread

Everyone keeps calling UK fans defensive....I'd say we're just passionate. But that' s just my opinion.

Everyone keeps calling Calipari a cheater when he's never been named in an NCAA report.The fact that no one has commented on the Darrell Arthur situation since my last post is just further proof how hypocritical some of you are. Kansas is also a top program with more recent success....they have a coach who, for not a couple of missed free throws, would be looked at as overrated (as many say Calipari is) and only good at recruiting. I don't dislike Kansas (actually rooted for them against Memphis in that game) but how is Darrel Arthur and his phony high school English score any different than Derrick Rose's ALLEGED ACT score? Because the NCAA said it was. So does that mean Bill Self has a more ethical standard than John Calipari? He recruited an ineligible player that won him an NCAA title. Somebody please explain this one to me without attacking UK fans!!!

[spit_bubble]

Re: 2010 Recruiting Discussion Thread

^ I think most of the suspicion around Coach Cal arises from him leaving programs after something goes wrong there.

When you combine that with his personality it just looks bad, because he is for the most part pretty insincere and uh... How shall I say... Ungracious?

I don't know. If you listen to the guy speak for even one minute he comes off as a grease ball... And then the programs he leaves end up in trouble... You just kind of put two and two together...

Sure, you can throw your hands up and claim innocence, but at the same time coaches have to have some level of control of their programs. It's their job, and in the end their responsibility... Some of the blame has to fall on them, along with the Athletic Director...

Can't just skip town and try to dodge all that... Twice.

[Cebby]

Re: 2010 Recruiting Discussion Thread

I don't know. If you listen to the guy speak for even one minute he comes off as a grease ball...

Every great college coach is a grease ball.

A large portion of their job is to convince high school kids to do something that is almost always not in the kids best interests.

[spit_bubble]

Re: 2010 Recruiting Discussion Thread

Every great college coach is a grease ball.

A large portion of their job is to convince high school kids to do something that is almost always not in the kids best interests.

Nonsense...

And you missed my point.

Coach Cal has always been the way he is since his early days at UMass, and his hustle extends beyond just the way he recruits... It's his entire persona... It's basically like that of a stock broker... A deal cutter...

Not every great college coach is like that. Not even close.

[Cebby]

Re: 2010 Recruiting Discussion Thread

Nonsense...

So not every great college coach participates in crooting? If you croot, you're a shady guy who lies to 15-18 year old kids. It's a fact of life.

And you missed my point.

Coach Cal has always been the way he is since his early days at UMass, and his hustle extends beyond just the way he recruits... It's his entire persona... It's basically like that of a stock broker... A deal cutter...

Of course I missed your point. Even after clarifying it I don't have any idea what you're saying.

[wildcatchild]

Re: 2010 Recruiting Discussion Thread

^ I think most of the suspicion around Coach Cal arises from him leaving programs after something goes wrong there.

When you combine that with his personality it just looks bad, because he is for the most part pretty insincere and uh... How shall I say... Ungracious?

I don't know. If you listen to the guy speak for even one minute he comes off as a grease ball... And then the programs he leaves end up in trouble... You just kind of put two and two together...

Sure, you can throw your hands up and claim innocence, but at the same time coaches have to have some level of control of their programs. It's their job, and in the end their responsibility... Some of the blame has to fall on them, along with the Athletic Director...

Can't just skip town and try to dodge all that... Twice.

Fair enough point! I agree, leaving a program does look bad. And yes, coaches should have some level of control in their programs. But in Calipari's defense, Camby made the decision to take money from an agent, not Cal. The NCAA cleared Rose to play, not Cal. I mean, to penalize Memphis for playing a kid that's cleared to play? That's just insane, unethical, and hypocritical. If I were an AD or coach at any level, that decision alone would have me shaking in my shoes. Basically, the NCAA is saying they can come back at any time and declare a student-athlete ineligible, even if they make it through the Clearinghouse.

[fsquid]

Re: 2010 Recruiting Discussion Thread

I'd say that Cal is the only coach to take his whole class with him like that after the school paid all the recruiting expenses. Crean didn't, Roy Williams didn't, Sean Miller didn't.

Just my ho.

[Cebby]

Re: 2010 Recruiting Discussion Thread

I'd say that Cal is the only coach to take his whole class with him like that after the school paid all the recruiting expenses. Crean didn't, Roy Williams didn't, Sean Miller didn't.

Just my ho.

Why would any of those take their classes with them?

None of them had a class that was anywhere close to Calipari's.

[jake44np]

Re: 2010 Recruiting Discussion Thread

Why would any of those take their classes with them?

None of them had a class that was anywhere close to Calipari's.

You dont think Crean could have used his recruits he left for Marquette when he took over a terrible IU team???

[Cebby]

Re: 2010 Recruiting Discussion Thread

You dont think Crean could have used his recruits he left for Marquette when he took over a terrible IU team???

According to Scout.com, he had two recruits, one was 2 stars and the other a 3 star JUCO.

In 2008-2009 they combined to average 2.7 points and 2.2 rebounds while playing in a third of the team's games. In 2009-2010, one played three games and the other averaged 3.5 and 3.1.

There's a pretty big difference between that and the number 1, 2, and 3 players in the country and another top prospect in Bledsoe.