2010 Recruiting Discussion Thread

[jake44np]

Re: 2010 Recruiting Discussion Thread

According to Scout.com, he had two recruits, one was 2 stars and the other a 3 star JUCO.

In 2008-2009 they combined to average 2.7 points and 2.2 rebounds while playing in a third of the team's games. In 2009-2010, one played three games and the other averaged 3.5 and 3.1.

There's a pretty big difference between that and the number 1, 2, and 3 players in the country and another top prospect in Bledsoe.

Wrong.
Your not taking into account the players that did not end up going to Marquette because Crean left, which he had nothing to do with.
Case in point Tyshawn Taylor who ended up going to a pretty decent Kanas program were he has been a two year starter. He orginally committed to Crean before he left Marquette and he did not take him to IU.
Of course they didnt end up with a good class once he wasnt going to still be the coach there. You are not taking into factor the class he could have had, had he remained at Marquette. And I am saying he could have used those players at IU, you dont think he could use T.Taylor at IU right now???

[Cebby]

Re: 2010 Recruiting Discussion Thread

Wrong.
Your not taking into account the players that did not end up going to Marquette because Crean left, which he had nothing to do with.
Case in point Tyshawn Taylor who ended up going to a pretty decent Kanas program were he has been a two year starter. He orginally committed to Crean before he left Marquette and he did not take him to IU.
Of course they didnt end up with a good class once he wasnt going to still be the coach there. You are not taking into factor the class he could have had, had he remained at Marquette. And I am saying he could have used those players at IU, you dont think he could use T.Taylor at IU right now???

I'm sorry I don't know the recruiting history of a second to last tier Big East school in Wisconsin.

Regardless, Crean was a stupid example to use since he did take Nick Williams with him to Indiana so clearly he's not above doing that.

[jake44np]

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I'm sorry I don't know the recruiting history of a second to last tier Big East school in Wisconsin.

Regardless, Crean was a stupid example to use since he did take Nick Williams with him to Indiana so clearly he's not above doing that.

Then dont try to act like you do in your previous post.

[wildcatchild]

Re: 2010 Recruiting Discussion Thread

I'm sorry I don't know the recruiting history of a second to last tier Big East school in Wisconsin.

Regardless, Crean was a stupid example to use since he did take Nick Williams with him to Indiana so clearly he's not above doing that.

They may be a 2nd tier Big East school...but they have knocked us out of the NCAA tournament three times since 1994. Just sayin'!

[jetercanoturn2]

Re: 2010 Recruiting Discussion Thread

Damn this is an emotional thread, People are gonna have their opinions about Calipari, that's their choice. Your not gonna change their minds, it's a losing cause. Fact is Calipari has a bad rep, trouble has followed him where he has been. But we live in America, and you are innocent till proven guilty. Cal has never been indicted on any charges, and that's a fact. Calipari is innocent, people will always be suspicious of him and you can't change that. But right now he is our coach, he is the best damn recruiter in the nation, and he has Kentucky back to elite status. That's all I give a damn about. And let's be honest, no-one will admit it, but if Cal became the head coach at your school and reeled in the recruits he's been reeling in for UK, I doubt their would be much complaining, Their is jealousy involved, and it's pretty obvious, and your naive if you think Kentucky will never get number 8 under Cal.

[jake44np]

Re: 2010 Recruiting Discussion Thread

Damn this is an emotional thread, People are gonna have their opinions about Calipari, that's their choice. Your not gonna change their minds, it's a losing cause. Fact is Calipari has a bad rep, trouble has followed him where he has been. But we live in America, and you are innocent till proven guilty. Cal has never been indicted on any charges, and that's a fact. Calipari is innocent, people will always be suspicious of him and you can't change that. But right now he is our coach, he is the best damn recruiter in the nation, and he has Kentucky back to elite status. That's all I give a damn about. And let's be honest, no-one will admit it, but if Cal became the head coach at your school and reeled in the recruits he's been reeling in for UK, I doubt their would be much complaining, Their is jealousy involved, and it's pretty obvious, and your naive if you think Kentucky will never get number 8 under Cal.

I can honestly say I would not want Cal coaching IU, I dont want him anywhere near my school. After going through the whole Kelvin Sampson thing and seeing what a "crooked" coach can do to your school I want no part of Cal or anyone like him. Something will eventually happen with Cal at UK, it has happened at his last two college stops. Once it does happen UK fans will then have the same feeling I had and still have about Sampson, the guy is a slime ball plain and simple.
The thing is I felt the same way UK fans feel about Cal when Sampson took over IU. He was bringing in big time recruits (see Eric Gordon) and he has us ranked in the top 10. I even defended him when others tried to tell me he was a slime balling cheat. The thing is I understand UK fans it is their school and they are going to defend their coach. My advice is root for UK but watch how much you defend a guy who has left two schools who had to "vacate" 2 final fours under his watch.

Back on topic, I have kind of had a change of heart on the whole taking recruits with you.
If I am a coach and have been recruiting a guy for 2 or 3 years (7 or 8 it you are Billy G.) would I just want to let him go??? I think not. If I thought he was a good enough recruit to recruit him in the first place I would want him to play for me where ever I go. Now to continue to recruit kids once they have signed else where is totally different.

[Cebby]

Re: 2010 Recruiting Discussion Thread

Now to continue to recruit kids once they have signed else where is totally different.

It is because it's pointless.

Unless the coach leaves and the player is given his release there's no reason to recruit him.

Recruiting committed players is perfectly normal and every coach does it at some point. Washington fans have no right to complain about recruiting committed players since their current best recruit was committed to Maryland.

[thaima1shu]

Re: 2010 Recruiting Discussion Thread

It is because it's pointless.

Unless the coach leaves and the player is given his release there's no reason to recruit him.

Recruiting committed players is perfectly normal and every coach does it at some point. Washington fans have no right to complain about recruiting committed players since their current best recruit was committed to Maryland.

http://scouthoops.scout.com/2/934087.html

Ross publicly opened up his recruitment. Different scenario. Jones actually said that he's still committed to Washington but was unwilling to sign anything, according to The Oregonian, while he was obviously still being recruited by Calipari. Just saying, Ross' recruitment =/= Jones' recruitment scenario.

[Koolie G]

Re: 2010 Recruiting Discussion Thread

The question I have is if Calipari's version of the story is true, what would've been the correct thing to do?

Cal's version: Terrance Jones called him an hour after the press conference and told Cal that he thought he might've made a mistake and that he wasn't sure about his decsion. Cal tells him he still wants him to come to UK, but that if he decides to go to Washington he understands. Jones then takes 2 weeks to think it over, probably talking to Coach Romar and Coach Cal during that time, then when the final signing day comes, he chooses UK.

I fail to see where the problem is if that version is true, and I have seen no evidence that it is not. This is an 18 year old kid, making a HUGE life decision. At 18 I know I wouldn't have wanted to tell my home state (or close proximity) school that I was going to another university. I also wouldn't have wanted to disappointed my family and friends who were probably fans of the local school. But I may have known it would be in my best interest to go to the far away school as far as my future was concerned. I WOULD NOT want to be in that situation now, much less when I was 18.

[jake44np]

Re: 2010 Recruiting Discussion Thread

Has Kenny Payne been given Rod Stricklands old job yet????

[Cebby]

Re: 2010 Recruiting Discussion Thread

http://scouthoops.scout.com/2/934087.html

Ross publicly opened up his recruitment. Different scenario. Jones actually said that he's still committed to Washington but was unwilling to sign anything, according to The Oregonian, while he was obviously still being recruited by Calipari. Just saying, Ross' recruitment =/= Jones' recruitment scenario.

Ross opened up his recruitment after he got offers from better programs when his stock rose at the end of 2009.

It was the exact same situation. Jones didn't sign a letter of intent and thus was fair game.

If a player doesn't sign in basketball, it isn't a commitment worth anything.

[thaima1shu]

Re: 2010 Recruiting Discussion Thread

Ross opened up his recruitment after he got offers from better programs when his stock rose at the end of 2009.

It was the exact same situation. Jones didn't sign a letter of intent and thus was fair game.

If a player doesn't sign in basketball, it isn't a commitment worth anything.

Still not exactly the same if that's what you're saying then. Jones has had the same offers for however long he's been recruited for. It's not like the Kentucky offer just popped up out of nowhere after he committed to UW.

Assuming what you're saying is true, Ross commits to Maryland then gets more offers and changes his mind, because he has different options he never had.

Jones makes his decision in a huge public press conference, puts on the hat, takes pictures, etc. Then less than an hour later changes his mind, and strings it out for another month or so. During that time, kind of lets it leak out slowly that he is still sticking with his original commitment, comes up to UW the day before the deadline, then the next day announces he's officially changing his mind.

I don't think the two situations are absolutely different in everyway, just saying it was under some different circumstances. I think most of the guys that work for the recruiting services have said that Jones' recruitment process is pretty different from the stuff they have covered and was a unique situation.

Can't disagree with the bolded part, of course, as I have learned with this recruitment process.

[Koolie G]

Re: 2010 Recruiting Discussion Thread

Has Kenny Payne been given Rod Stricklands old job yet????

Not yet. But I did see Kenny Payne having dinner with Coach Cal and Coach Antigua in Lexington this weekend. Doesn't mean he will be an assistant at UK, but everyone seems to believe he will be by the end of the week.

[jake44np]

Re: 2010 Recruiting Discussion Thread

Not yet. But I did see Kenny Payne having dinner with Coach Cal and Coach Antigua in Lexington this weekend. Doesn't mean he will be an assistant at UK, but everyone seems to believe he will be by the end of the week.

And UK fans still believe Jones called Cal first?
Not that it matters in todays recruiting but it pretty common knowledge that Payne was close to Jones.
And you yourself saw Cal and Payne having dinner???

[PhantomPain]

Re: 2010 Recruiting Discussion Thread

And UK fans still believe Jones called Cal first?
Not that it matters in todays recruiting but it pretty common knowledge that Payne was close to Jones.
And you yourself saw Cal and Payne having dinner???

Yes, it has been said many many times, including the reporters from Washington/Oregon after the original commitment, that Jones called Cal. Cal has said it. Jones has said it. News reporters have said it.

Are you suggesting we not believe ANYONE and say that it is BS?