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  • phenom1990
    MVP
    • Mar 2008
    • 4789

    #1

    OS Mock Selection Committee

    Well by the end of this weekend, Selection Sunday will be 4 weeks away and as we all know this is the time of year where bracketologists like Joe Lunardi, Jerry Palm, etc make their money. This past week I floated an idea in my head that I think could be fun if we can execute it right and today, I saw the NCAA is holding it’s annual mock exercise for media members.

    Essentially the idea is for Operation Sports to have our own mock selection committee, the week leading up to Selection Sunday. It would be a 10 member committee like the real one with some alternates in case someone can’t participate on a certain day or can no longer do it. The purpose of doing this is to have fun and to try to do this in as timely a fashion as possible, I know we all have commitments in life that preclude us from giving nearly the time that the actual committee does. I think it could be fun to compare an OS Bracket to the real bracket and see how close we came, etc.

    I’ve read up on the selection process over the last couple years so I have a good idea of how the process works with the initial research, the selecting of at large teams, the seeding and then the creation of the bracket.

    My plan for the 10 member committee is to break up the 32 conferences among 8 of the 10 members of the committee. The goal would be to research and put together information on teams in your conferences that either have a chance at getting the automatic bid or could receive an at large bid. For example: W-L, SOS, RPI, BPI, Wins vs. Top whatever, etc for each a team… basically a profile we could refer to during Championship Week. The research would primarily go from now to Sunday, March 9th, the last day of the regular season with some minor updates during Championship Week. I think the early we could start this the better; so that people don’t become overwhelmed with it.

    The other 2 members of the committee would be responsible for finishing up whatever needed to be done for the bracket on Selection Sunday. If we needed to add any more at large teams, seed teams or put together the actual bracket; those 2 people would be primarily responsible for that on Selection Sunday. If anyone else had the time on that Sunday to help, the more help the better. I know it’s hard to ask a lot of people to commit a significant amount of time on a Sunday so I think doing it this way would be best.

    Essentially here is a timeline of events for this if anyone was interested:

    Between now and March 9th: Split up conferences, research teams.
    The night of March 9th (Sunday): Submit research and then all 10 committee members submit their initial ballot of teams that should be in as an at large. In another post, I will explain this initial voting process but by the end of this night we will have voted in X # of teams into the tournament already.
    March 10th (Monday): Vote in another 4 teams as an at large. Basically the day goes like this:
    By morning or afternoon, TBD: Submit 8 teams you think should be consider for an at large bid.
    By night: The 8 teams with the most votes move onto the at large ballot. From there, each member ranks the 8 from 1 (best) to 8 (worst); the 4 teams with the lowest score are added to our at-large field from Sunday night. As an fyi, teams can be removed from the at large field in the future if we no longer think they deserve a bid. I will have more information on that later, if there is enough interest.
    Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday: Repeat the above process for adding at large teams if necessary. We can begin seeding teams whenever we want to, the process works very similar to the at large ballot process; so we could do the same day and night process for this. I will provide a link explaining the seeding process and other things we need to know in a post below.
    Sunday: Finish whatever needs to be done for the bracket. Submit our bracket to OS around 530 PM ET or the end of the Big 10 championship.

    So if anyone is interested, just let me know. We can figure out how we want to set up a group chat, etc from there. If nobody is interested, that's cool... the snowstorm gave me some time to think of how it could be done. I know it may sound like a lot but I think if it can be divided up like this; it could reduce the time commitment necessary.

    Interest List:
    1. phenom1990
    2. tovarich
    3. HustlinOwl
    4. sportznut02
    5. Kriech23
    6.Thurley2010
    7. XXstormxx
    8.
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    10.
    Last edited by phenom1990; 02-27-2014, 06:02 PM.
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  • phenom1990
    MVP
    • Mar 2008
    • 4789

    #2
    Re: OS Mock Selection Committee

    Here are some links explaining the process: I will use this post to update any useful information I find.

    Essentially, here is the 7 page manual on how to do the bracket:
    http://www.ncaa.com/content/di-princ...ures-selection

    Here is a video from someone in a mock committee before:


    Here is a link with information on the current mock session the NCAA is doing:
    http://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-...committee-room

    A link explaining some of the changes in the bracketing priniciples:
    http://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-...g-ncaa-tourney

    Dates of all conference tournaments:
    http://roundballdirect.com/2013/06/1...nts/#more-3277

    A tool to compare teams:
    Last edited by phenom1990; 02-27-2014, 06:28 PM.
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    • Tovarich
      Hall Of Fame
      • Jul 2008
      • 10881

      #3
      Re: OS Mock Selection Committee

      I'm interested for sure. As long as I don't go to a spring training game on selection sunday as I have done a few times in the past, I think I would have plenty of free time that particular day. I have to admit though, I hate conference tournaments and any opinions I have about inclusion in the field would virtually ignore conference tournaments unless it was something really huge.

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      • HustlinOwl
        All Star
        • Mar 2004
        • 9713

        #4
        Re: OS Mock Selection Committee

        I am interested for sure

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        • phenom1990
          MVP
          • Mar 2008
          • 4789

          #5
          Re: OS Mock Selection Committee

          Originally posted by Tovarich
          I'm interested for sure. As long as I don't go to a spring training game on selection sunday as I have done a few times in the past, I think I would have plenty of free time that particular day. I have to admit though, I hate conference tournaments and any opinions I have about inclusion in the field would virtually ignore conference tournaments unless it was something really huge.
          Yeah that's why I think doing a mock committee would be fun. 10 people with 10 different opinions on what is most important to them for selecting or seeding teams. If we could do this right, I think it would be really interesting for us and help to understand how the selection committee works better.
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          • sportznut02
            The buzz is palpable now!
            • Dec 2004
            • 8064

            #6
            Re: OS Mock Selection Committee

            I am definitely interested. I'll post more later.
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            • phenom1990
              MVP
              • Mar 2008
              • 4789

              #7
              Re: OS Mock Selection Committee

              I'm happy to see that there is interest in doing this. Reading through the process, I think the only thing that may end up being time consuming is seeding and possibly the last couple selections of at large teams. But we could always make adjustments to speed things up if necessary.

              Here is the process of selecting at large teams, I figured it would be easier to put it here rather than have people constantly clicking the link. I will put the seeding process in the next post to try and reduce some clutter.

              Selecting AT-LARGE Teams

              Initial Ballot

              1. Prior to the selection meeting, each committee member receives an “initial ballot” comprised of two columns listing all eligible Division I teams in alphabetical order. Each committee member will submit the ballot by a designated time on the first full day of selection meetings:

              a. In the first column, each member shall identify not more than 36 (due to the addition of the American Athletic Conference)teams that, in that member’s opinion, should be atlarge selections (AL) in the tournament based upon play to date, regardless of whether the team could
              eventually represent its conference as
              the automatic qualifier.

              b. In the second column, each member shall identify all teams that should
              receive consideration (C) for an atlarge berth. There is no minimum or
              maximum limit in the second column; however, only teams meriting serious
              consideration should receive votes.

              2. Any team receiving all but two of the eligible votes in Column 1 (AL) is moved into the tournament field as an at-large selection.

              3. The committee will form an "underconsideration” board consisting of an alphabetical listing of teams that:

              a. Received at least three votes in either of the columns of the initial ballot but did not receive enough votes to be an at- large team; or

              b. Won or shared the regular-season conference championship, as determined by the conference’s tie-break policy where applicable. This does not include teams that won or shared a division title but were not the regular-season conference champion.

              4. A team may be removed from the “underconsideration” board at any time if it receives all but two of the eligible votes. A team may be added to the “underconsideration” board at any time provided it receives at least three eligible votes. Verbal nominations are permitted.

              Remaining Ballots
              1. The committee then begins evaluating those teams on the “under-consideration” board.

              2. Each committee member will list the best eight teams from the “under-consideration” board, in no particular order, to be added to
              the at-large field. When 20 or more teams are under consideration in “list X teams” ballots, each member shall list eight. When 14 to 19
              teams are under consideration, each member shall list six. When 13 or fewer
              teams are under consideration, each member shall list four.

              3. The eight teams receiving the most votes comprise the next at-large ballot.

              4. Committee members then rank the eight teams, using a “ranking” scoring system (i.e., the best team is valued at one point).

              5. The four teams receiving the fewest points shall be added to the at-large field. The other four teams will be held for the next ballot.

              6. Each committee member then submits a list of the best eight teams remaining on the “under-consideration” board to be added to the at-large field. The four teams with the highest vote totals are added to the teams carried over from No. 5 to comprise the next at-large ballot.

              7. Steps No. 4, 5 and 6 will be repeated until all at-large berths are filled.

              8. If a team fails to be included among the four teams receiving the fewest points (Step No. 5) for two consecutive ”rank” ballots, it shall be returned to the “under- consideration” board, without prejudice.

              9. At any time during the process, the number of teams eligible to receive votes may be increased or decreased by the chair if circumstances warrant. Further, the chair has the option to revise the number of teams from four to two to be moved into at- large berths per No. 5.

              10. A team may be removed from the at-large field by a vote of all but two of the eligible votes. Such a team would be returned to the “under-consideration” board, without prejudice.

              11. At any time during the process of selecting the at-large teams, the committee may elect to begin seeding the teams (Section II). This allows the committee to proceed while allowing time for results of games played during selection weekend.

              As a fyi: There was a rule about conference commissioners or athletic directors removing themselves from a vote that I took out because it doesn't apply to us.
              Last edited by phenom1990; 02-16-2014, 12:43 PM.
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              • phenom1990
                MVP
                • Mar 2008
                • 4789

                #8
                Re: OS Mock Selection Committee

                SEEDING PROCESS

                The committee will create a “seed list” (i.e. rank of the teams in “true seeds” 1 through 68) which reflects the relative qualitative assessment of the field in descending order, and is used to assess competitive balance of the top teams across the four regions of the championship. The seed list reflects the sequential order with which teams will be placed in the bracket. Once the “seed list” is finalized, it remains unchanged while the bracket is assembled. Importantly, various principles may preclude a team from being placed in its “true” seed position in the bracket.

                Procedures for Seeding

                1. Each committee member will submit a list of the best eight teams, in no particular order, from teams that are in the tournament as automatic qualifiers or at-large selections. When 20 or more teams remain to be seeded, each member shall list eight teams. When 14 to 19 teams remain, each member shall list six teams. When 13 or fewer teams remain, each member shall list four teams.

                2. The eight teams receiving the most votes comprise the next seed list ballot.

                3. Committee members rank the eight teams from No. 1, using a “ranking” scoring system (i.e., the best team is valued at one point).

                4. The four teams receiving the fewest points are moved onto the seed list in ascending order of vote total. The other four teams are held for the next rank ballot.

                5. Each committee member then submits a list of the best eight remaining teams that are in the tournament as automatic qualifiers or at-large selections. The four teams with the highest vote totals are added to the teams carried over from No. 4 to comprise the next seed list ballot.

                6. Steps No. 3, 4 and 5 are repeated until all the teams are seeded.

                7. After a team has been voted into the seed list, it may be moved by a simple majority of eligible votes. This “scrubbing” of the seed list allows the committee to affirm true seed accuracy throughout selection weekend and ultimately, in the bracket.

                8. The committee is not obligated to assemble the seed list in sequential order. For example, at any time, the committee may use the procedures to determine the fourth quadrant of teams in the seed list.
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                • Tovarich
                  Hall Of Fame
                  • Jul 2008
                  • 10881

                  #9
                  Re: OS Mock Selection Committee

                  Gets pretty complicated there at the end with the last few selections. I think if a group put the consensus seeds together, maybe just 2 people actually put the matchups together in the bracket. Everyone should voice their opinion on seeds and who is in/out, but having tedious debate on particular matchups could really drag things out. If just 2 people were pairing them, and one person was double checking avoiding re-matches and such, that should go quickly as long as everything doesn't get de-railed with debate on who should who and such.

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                  • phenom1990
                    MVP
                    • Mar 2008
                    • 4789

                    #10
                    Re: OS Mock Selection Committee

                    Originally posted by Tovarich
                    Gets pretty complicated there at the end with the last few selections. I think if a group put the consensus seeds together, maybe just 2 people actually put the matchups together in the bracket. Everyone should voice their opinion on seeds and who is in/out, but having tedious debate on particular matchups could really drag things out. If just 2 people were pairing them, and one person was double checking avoiding re-matches and such, that should go quickly as long as everything doesn't get de-railed with debate on who should who and such.
                    Yeah I agree. The putting together of the actual bracket wouldn't need everybody. That's why I want to designate 2 people to put together the actual bracket on Selection Sunday who can set aside the time on Sunday to do it. Which is why I was thinking of dividing up the initial research of the 32 conferences between 8 people so that we have two groups of people; one dedicating more time before Championship Week (8 people) and the other dedicating more time on Selection Sunday (2 people). We may still need to finish the "seed list" and at-large teams on Sunday; which we would still need everybody help on but the actual bracket can be done by 1 or 2 people.

                    Essentially, the main goals of making the bracket are to 1. Stay as true to the seed list we created as possible and 2. Avoid certain type of rematches too early in the tournament ( conference foes, etc). By the time, we actually make the bracket we would have essentially seeded all teams on the seed list and know who all 36 at large teams would be. So there shouldn't really be arguments about matchups because we already seeded the teams. So nobody could argue that as a 5-12 game for example that a team that was 18th (5 range) on our seed list is playing a team ranked that was 46th on our seed list (12 range).
                    Last edited by phenom1990; 02-16-2014, 02:12 PM.
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                    • Tovarich
                      Hall Of Fame
                      • Jul 2008
                      • 10881

                      #11
                      Re: OS Mock Selection Committee

                      Only 4 of us so far, so 8 conferences each!

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                      • phenom1990
                        MVP
                        • Mar 2008
                        • 4789

                        #12
                        Re: OS Mock Selection Committee

                        Originally posted by Tovarich
                        Only 4 of us so far, so 8 conferences each!
                        Haha... We still have 4 weeks till Selection Sunday and 3 weeks until the end of the regular season.
                        "Ma'am I don't make the rules up. I just think them up and write em down". - Cartman

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                        • phenom1990
                          MVP
                          • Mar 2008
                          • 4789

                          #13
                          Re: OS Mock Selection Committee

                          I'm looking for some input on when and how we should split up conferences. Assuming we get enough people interested, what's the latest date you think we can split up the conferences and how would people like to split it up?

                          My thoughts: The latest I think we should wait to split up the conferences is the 27th or 28th of this month ( a Thursday or Friday). I think giving everybody at least 2 full weekends would help in case somebody is busy the last weekend of the regular season (March 8th and 9th). In terms of splitting conferences up, I was thinking of doing a draft for it.
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                          • Tovarich
                            Hall Of Fame
                            • Jul 2008
                            • 10881

                            #14
                            Re: OS Mock Selection Committee

                            I can take most of, if not all the western conferences. I honestly hardly ever watch all you east of the Rockies folks play.

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                            • phenom1990
                              MVP
                              • Mar 2008
                              • 4789

                              #15
                              Re: OS Mock Selection Committee

                              Anyone else interested? I would like to start splitting up conferences by Friday to give people 2 full weekends before the end of the regular season and because some conference tournaments will be starting in a week. I know Tovarich, HustlinOwl and Sportznut still want to do this even if we don't get 10 people; we can still do this.
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