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  • ProfessaPackMan
    Bamma
    • Mar 2008
    • 63852

    #91
    Re: The Official "FBI Investigation" Thread

    This shouldn’t surprise any of us




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    • countryboy
      Growing pains
      • Sep 2003
      • 52767

      #92
      Re: The Official "FBI Investigation" Thread

      Poop is about to hit the fan.
      I can't shave with my eyes closed, meaning each day I have to look at myself in the mirror and respect who I see.

      I miss the old days of Operation Sports :(


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      • countryboy
        Growing pains
        • Sep 2003
        • 52767

        #93
        Re: The Official "FBI Investigation" Thread

        I think we all knew something like this would be coming:

        The documents show an operation that could create NCAA rules issues for at least 20 Division I basketball programs and more than 25 players, including some of the biggest names in the sport.
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        • jake44np
          Post Like a Champion!
          • Jul 2002
          • 9563

          #94
          Re: The Official "FBI Investigation" Thread

          Originally posted by countryboy
          I think we all knew something like this would be coming:

          https://sports.yahoo.com/exclusive-f...103338484.html
          Players at basketball powers such as Duke, UNC, Kentucky, Michigan State and Kansas may have committed NCAA violations that were uncovered by an FBI investigation, according to Yahoo! Sports.


          Lots of big name schools on this list.
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          • countryboy
            Growing pains
            • Sep 2003
            • 52767

            #95
            Re: The Official "FBI Investigation" Thread

            Originally posted by jake44np
            http://www.espn.com/mens-college-bas...ken-ncaa-rules

            Lots of big name schools on this list.
            Yep.

            This is going to get interesting....
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            • jasontoddwhitt
              MVP
              • May 2003
              • 8095

              #96
              Re: The Official "FBI Investigation" Thread

              It’s a systemic problem in all of college athletics. I’m ready for the lid to come off.


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              • countryboy
                Growing pains
                • Sep 2003
                • 52767

                #97
                Re: The Official "FBI Investigation" Thread

                Out of all the players from Louisville I thought would be mentioned, I didn't expect Juan Palacios...
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                • phenom1990
                  MVP
                  • Mar 2008
                  • 4789

                  #98
                  Re: The Official "FBI Investigation" Thread

                  I hope Yahoo has more than this "bombshell".

                  There isn't anything that is tied directly to a coach. So there is still plausible deniability that a coach didn't know or couldn't have known about their player relationship with an agent.

                  I believe that the truth is somewhere in the middle ( some coaches knew and some coaches didn't). At the same time, a coach can't prevent this entirely from happening. It also dispels the notion that college athletes don't get paid or that the money isn't available for them.

                  The most frustrating thing is that the NCAA is going to double down on their current system instead of modernizing the rules for transparency and to create rules they can actually enforce.

                  I don't expect any coaches to sit any players in question at this point and it wouldn't surprise me to see the top coaches trying to make a power play with the NCAA after the season so they don't suffer the 2013 Louisville Banner punishment.
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                  • p_rushing
                    Hall Of Fame
                    • Feb 2004
                    • 14514

                    #99
                    Re: The Official "FBI Investigation" Thread

                    Duke and UNC are involved, they basically run the NCAA. Nothing comes out of it from the NCAA side. How UNC escaped the last scandal because they didn't cooperate I don't know.

                    FBI could be a different thing though.

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                    • Speedy
                      #Ace
                      • Apr 2008
                      • 16143

                      #100
                      Re: The Official "FBI Investigation" Thread

                      Let's get real here.

                      Allow athletes to sign with an agent. I can use a recruiting agency to land a job for my talent when I'm 19, why can't athletes use an agent to land a marketing gig for their talent?

                      It's one thing for colleges to profit off an athlete, they should be non-profit entities...it's another for players to get money for signing autographs, appearances, etc. OUTSIDE of college grounds to simply get paid extra $$. I mean, c'mon....these schools have player jerseys for sale, but the athlete can't make a dime...even though it's BECAUSE of the athlete.

                      That's where EVERY issue has come from, outside of UofL. Maybe I'm different, I don't see why the NCAA won't allow this. If an issue does arise, the NCAA or school can pursue legal action against the agent or athlete.

                      Idk...it's just a load of hypocrisy.

                      EDIT: This is with the mindset and perspective that these players received benefits from an agency and not the college (or the college having some type of connection or money transfer with an agent/agency to attain a player).
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                      • Junior Moe
                        MVP
                        • Jul 2009
                        • 3869

                        #101
                        Re: The Official "FBI Investigation" Thread

                        Originally posted by Speedy
                        Let's get real here.

                        Allow athletes to sign with an agent. I can use a recruiting agency to land a job for my talent when I'm 19, why can't athletes use an agent to land a marketing gig for their talent?

                        It's one thing for colleges to profit off an athlete, they should be non-profit entities...it's another for players to get money for signing autographs, appearances, etc. OUTSIDE of college grounds to simply get paid extra $$. I mean, c'mon....these schools have player jerseys for sale, but the athlete can't make a dime...even though it's BECAUSE of the athlete.

                        That's where EVERY issue has come from, outside of UofL. Maybe I'm different, I don't see why the NCAA won't allow this. If an issue does arise, the NCAA or school can pursue legal action against the agent or athlete.

                        Idk...it's just a load of hypocrisy.

                        EDIT: This is with the mindset and perspective that these players received benefits from an agency and not the college (or the college having some type of connection or money transfer with an agent/agency to attain a player).
                        This is where I'm at. I personally still like the "amateurism" aspect of collegiate sports. I love the emotion and pageantry even though I know what's going on behind the scenes. I get and support colleges not paying players. A full ride and whatever benefits they get is enough compensation, IMO. 98% of these athletes aren't going pro in anything.

                        The NCAA loses me when they restrict the players ability to earn money elsewhere. A student on a music scholarship can compose music andnmake money off of it. Let the student athletes have he same freedom. If Pepsi wanted Lonzo Ball (when he was at UCLA) to appear in an ad and pay him, let him. Keep it all above board. Very few collegiate players are that marketable anyway. If I wanted to pay 200$ for Jake Fromm to sign a jersey for me, let him make that money. Let the schools sell the jerseys with the players names, the player gets a small percentage of each sale. The NCAAs greed is what's ultimately gonna do them in. Just let the players in a little and I think most of these back door deals fall by the wayside.

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                        • Sinner
                          All Star
                          • Jun 2003
                          • 5483

                          #102
                          Re: The Official "FBI Investigation" Thread

                          Originally posted by p_rushing
                          Duke and UNC are involved, they basically run the NCAA. Nothing comes out of it from the NCAA side. How UNC escaped the last scandal because they didn't cooperate I don't know.

                          FBI could be a different thing though.

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                          UNC did more than cooperate with the NCAA, hell UNC saw problems later and called the NCAA to come in again to investigate. Many people were like why in the world would UNC do that? UNC did what they were supposed to do when they didn't agree with some of the things the NCAA were saying in their formal documents they were releasing after changing things from previous documents.

                          I may be looking at this wrong, I'm sure someone can and will explain better but if a student gets an academic scholarship, write a book or whatever that gets big and make millions they can keep that money as they should with no problems. A student gets a scholarship for sports, signs an autograph and gets 200$ they are ineligible but yet millions are made on said player and they see none of it, I've always thought that was a problem.

                          It's crazy that some of these players have their name in this because of a meal?! Are they serious right now with that? The one's that have big money out there, the people that did things that were against the law should pay for that, but eating a meal?

                          Edit: Should have read through the last few post just saw Junior Moe said some of the same things..
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                          • p_rushing
                            Hall Of Fame
                            • Feb 2004
                            • 14514

                            #103
                            Re: The Official "FBI Investigation" Thread

                            Originally posted by Sinner
                            UNC did more than cooperate with the NCAA, hell UNC saw problems later and called the NCAA to come in again to investigate. Many people were like why in the world would UNC do that? UNC did what they were supposed to do when they didn't agree with some of the things the NCAA were saying in their formal documents they were releasing after changing things from previous documents.

                            I may be looking at this wrong, I'm sure someone can and will explain better but if a student gets an academic scholarship, write a book or whatever that gets big and make millions they can keep that money as they should with no problems. A student gets a scholarship for sports, signs an autograph and gets 200$ they are ineligible but yet millions are made on said player and they see none of it, I've always thought that was a problem.

                            It's crazy that some of these players have their name in this because of a meal?! Are they serious right now with that? The one's that have big money out there, the people that did things that were against the law should pay for that, but eating a meal?
                            Writing a book is different and too basic of a comparison.

                            I'm not 100% that this is the same everywhere (policy may vary), but generally universities own everything. For employees they definitely own whatever you do. For students, if you use labs, professors, etc, they can claim it.

                            For a basketball team, the coach (an employee), facilities, expenses, etc are all provided by the universities. They can and will assesrt their ownership over it just like they can with employees.

                            Players have options to go play somewhere else and make money off their name.

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                            • p_rushing
                              Hall Of Fame
                              • Feb 2004
                              • 14514

                              #104
                              Re: The Official "FBI Investigation" Thread

                              Miller, Arizona coach will be done. He is on the wire tap discussing $100,000 payment. No facts that he paid, but that should be enough to force him to be fired.

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                              • TheBrothers24
                                SD/LA Chargers?
                                • Sep 2007
                                • 1915

                                #105
                                Re: The Official "FBI Investigation" Thread

                                Tweet from @Mark_Schlabach: Sources: Wiretaps show Arizona coach Sean Miller talked payment http://www.espn.com/mens-college-bas.../_/id/22559284

                                Sean Miller is an idiot if he directly spoke about paying a player. Always have a fall guy that handles those things.

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