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  • SmooveMove
    MVP
    • Mar 2013
    • 1349

    #721
    Re: NBA 2K15 Official MyLEAGUE Thread

    Originally posted by LorenzoDC
    It's a matter of tone and presentation of the issues. I've presented issues myself, maybe not in this thread, I don't keep track that way. But calling the mode "broken," as has happened in this thread, is, in my opinion, far from reasonable. I've heard an adversarial tone in this thread to Leftos and the devs that I don't think is at all warranted. I'm adversarial as hell with Madden, and I think that's warranted, but not for 2k's MyLeague mode.

    Others disagree, and that's fine. I'm expressing my point of view.
    Thats cool man. The mode does have some serious problems though. To call it broken may a be a bit of an exaggeration, but they are pretty serious.

    Although I've only read the last three or so pages and I haven't seen anything particularly "adversarial" or aggressive.
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    • Soundtrack2C
      Rookie
      • Oct 2014
      • 115

      #722
      Re: NBA 2K15 Official MyLEAGUE Thread

      Originally posted by LorenzoDC
      The progression system issue you raise is a matter, it seems to me, of design choice and game balancing.

      The 2 or 3 or maybe even 1 off season discretionary attribute bump is tied to your trainer's ability. It's not sim in the sense that teams can send all their players to training camp. But it's also not sim in that players in the mode can't get injured in training camp.

      For the mode, you can progress players through training systems in season you can control, so the off season training camp option exists as part of that ecosystem. All players can progress with training if they are young enough and healthy enough, and we can also use sliders to influence how powerful we want the training progression system to be. Personally, I have set draft classes a bit lower on the slider and given a little bit of a bump to training influence. To each his own.

      If we had the ability to train everyone in the offf season in camp, and if training bumped attributes by 5 points as you suggest, you could have a team of beasts by season 3. I don't think that's a good solution, especially in combination with the in season training progression system. You call this broken, I call it a design decision for game balance.

      Personally, I'd like to see the whole off season expanded and made less linear. Why are trades only allowed during the period just before the draft? How about summer leagues? What about off season injuries?

      But to call the mode broken just because progression is not tied 100% into training camp the way it has been in past Association modes is just, in my view, unreasonable. I like the in season training system and the way it sets up cost benefit decisions.

      For example, if my high potential SF is an offensive scoring type with weaknesses on defense, I could try to develop his strengths but maybe I want him to play better D for my system and scheme. If I train him on D, he will improve there, but he will also degrade slightly on the areas that make him unique on offense. I have to decide where to focus. And even more, I think about signing and drafting players who fit what I'm trying to do as a team That's good sim.
      I'm going to be honest with you, if this mode is "association on steroids", then we shouldn't be limited. Especially when it comes to realism. the way this game acts, in which it says that teams are limited to the amount of players they can send to training camp, by the level of their trainer, is a joke.

      Theres nothing more to add on that point honestly.

      I increased the in season training slider, players can basically get around +3 for whatever attribute they focus on throughout the season. Which I'm fine with.

      But not being able to send my team to training camp? not only is that not sim, its also limiting, because I'm sure if i was playing mYgM, i'd be able to send all my players to camp, as long as I had "VC"

      MyLEageue is a gimped version of mygm in this aspect. This is a flat out joke.

      What team can only send 2 players to training camp? i mean, just think of that

      I thought this was MY League, not some mode in which the game is trying to limit what i can do.

      What happened to the customization we were offered?

      What nba team can only train 2 players? come on now

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      • mrprice33
        Just some guy
        • Jul 2003
        • 5986

        #723
        Re: NBA 2K15 Official MyLEAGUE Thread

        Originally posted by Soundtrack2C
        I haven't summed too far because I know what will happen, I believe the 76ers have 3 picks in 2015 or something? So naturally I expect them to either:

        1. Draft players and not be able to sign anyone in the offseason, because their roster will be full

        2. Draft players and not be able to sign them because their roster will be full

        One of those two will likely happen.

        The game shouldn't "model a team to a T", if it were to do that, wouldn't that mean that the Suns for the next 80 years should keep 3 starting caliber point guards?

        I don't think that anyone wants teams to be modeled, I think we want to see realistic team building, which for the most part has happened, outside of the 76ers not using their cap. I believe I saw a second team that didn't spend money, I will check again later.
        You and I obviously want different things out of CPU logic.

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        • mrprice33
          Just some guy
          • Jul 2003
          • 5986

          #724
          Re: NBA 2K15 Official MyLEAGUE Thread

          Originally posted by Soundtrack2C
          The sixers have to spend money, they have to spend 90% of the salary cap. NBA teams have money, they may not all spend money into the luxury tax, but they most certainly have the capacity to spend money to fill the salary cap.

          And by league rules, they have to meet 90% of the salary.

          This notion that they are poor, doesn't work here

          http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2013/0...8-679-million/
          They didn't meet the salary floor last year and won't meet it this year. They don't care about the salary floor. Do you know what happens if they don't meet the salary floor?

          They pay their existing players extra money. That's it. What they don't want is to pay veteran players more money than necessary to essentially block their young guys' development. They'll spend money when they have to pay Embiid/Noel/MCW/Saric/KJMcDaniels/2015 draft picks/etc. Doing anything before then is dumb.

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          • Soundtrack2C
            Rookie
            • Oct 2014
            • 115

            #725
            Re: NBA 2K15 Official MyLEAGUE Thread

            Leftos, I took a look at that save file I created yesterday again, and at the start of the season, half the league doesn't have a "full roster" of 15 players, and there are 21 players from overall 71-75 that are still free agents, while teams are clinging onto their overall 60 and in some cases, their overall 57 players.

            Take the Hawks for example, they kept their overall 57 SF, and let Carroll walk in free agency.

            Carroll is still a free agent by the way.

            Half hasn't signed these 21 players that are more than capable of playing on their squads.

            This was an issue in past games, and I had always assumed that this was because team's didn't have the money to offer these free agents. But since in this file, money is no object, and they still haven't signed these guys.

            The easy solution to this could be to control every team and sign these players. But that is a bit extreme.

            So I just wanted to mention this. I expect that maybe 3-4 of these guys will get signed at some point this season, and I am aware that not every team in real life keeps 15 players on their roster. However, it seems as though that removing the salary cap doesn't seem to impact teams in the way I wanted it to.

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            • ggsimmonds
              Hall Of Fame
              • Jan 2009
              • 11235

              #726
              Re: NBA 2K15 Official MyLEAGUE Thread

              Originally posted by Soundtrack2C
              The sixers have to spend money, they have to spend 90% of the salary cap. NBA teams have money, they may not all spend money into the luxury tax, but they most certainly have the capacity to spend money to fill the salary cap.

              And by league rules, they have to meet 90% of the salary.

              This notion that they are poor, doesn't work here

              http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2013/0...8-679-million/
              Do the 76ers know that they have to spend 90% of the cap? They are currently well below that.
              http://www.spotrac.com/nba/philadelphia-76ers/cap/

              Maybe they are not poor, they could just be stingy or planning to build through the draft.

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              • LorenzoDC
                MVP
                • Sep 2010
                • 1857

                #727
                Re: NBA 2K15 Official MyLEAGUE Thread

                Originally posted by Soundtrack2C
                I'm going to be honest with you, if this mode is "association on steroids", then we shouldn't be limited. Especially when it comes to realism. the way this game acts, in which it says that teams are limited to the amount of players they can send to training camp, by the level of their trainer, is a joke.

                Theres nothing more to add on that point honestly.

                I increased the in season training slider, players can basically get around +3 for whatever attribute they focus on throughout the season. Which I'm fine with.

                But not being able to send my team to training camp? not only is that not sim, its also limiting, because I'm sure if i was playing mYgM, i'd be able to send all my players to camp, as long as I had "VC"

                MyLEageue is a gimped version of mygm in this aspect. This is a flat out joke.

                What team can only send 2 players to training camp? i mean, just think of that

                I thought this was MY League, not some mode in which the game is trying to limit what i can do.

                What happened to the customization we were offered?

                What nba team can only train 2 players? come on now
                Well, technically speaking, you're not limited. You can edit any player in the league and progress your players as you see fit. You can set up your own assessments based on performance on the court and institute your own progression philosophy accordingly, whatever you want.

                It's a new mode for offline sim players. I'm pretty sure they are interested in making improvements and getting suggestions. But it's not, as you call it, a "joke."

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                • Soundtrack2C
                  Rookie
                  • Oct 2014
                  • 115

                  #728
                  Re: NBA 2K15 Official MyLEAGUE Thread

                  Originally posted by mrprice33
                  They didn't meet the salary floor last year and won't meet it this year. They don't care about the salary floor. Do you know what happens if they don't meet the salary floor?

                  They pay their existing players extra money. That's it. What they don't want is to pay veteran players more money than necessary to essentially block their young guys' development. They'll spend money when they have to pay Embiid/Noel/MCW/Saric/KJMcDaniels/2015 draft picks/etc. Doing anything before then is dumb.
                  Theres no way to pay their players extra money in 2k, so this should be used as a guide. Teams shouldn't be walking around with less than half the cap committed in 2k after the first season. IMO

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                  • Soundtrack2C
                    Rookie
                    • Oct 2014
                    • 115

                    #729
                    Re: NBA 2K15 Official MyLEAGUE Thread

                    Originally posted by LorenzoDC
                    Well, technically speaking, you're not limited. You can edit any player in the league and progress your players as you see fit. You can set up your own assessments based on performance on the court and institute your own progression philosophy accordingly, whatever you want.

                    It's a new mode for offline sim players. I'm pretty sure they are interested in making improvements and getting suggestions. But it's not, as you call it, a "joke."
                    Thats cheating. im not going to magically say "hey, let me increase x attribute by x points by magic"

                    I dont do things like that, I don't cheat, I play within the system

                    In "association on steriods" I shouldn't have to consider cheating to make what i want to happen, happen.

                    Also, im not really interested in making improvements or suggestions, because i know they will all be saved for 2k16. I want THIS game fixed.

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                    • ggsimmonds
                      Hall Of Fame
                      • Jan 2009
                      • 11235

                      #730
                      Re: NBA 2K15 Official MyLEAGUE Thread

                      Originally posted by Soundtrack2C
                      I'm going to be honest with you, if this mode is "association on steroids", then we shouldn't be limited. Especially when it comes to realism. the way this game acts, in which it says that teams are limited to the amount of players they can send to training camp, by the level of their trainer, is a joke.

                      Theres nothing more to add on that point honestly.

                      I increased the in season training slider, players can basically get around +3 for whatever attribute they focus on throughout the season. Which I'm fine with.

                      But not being able to send my team to training camp? not only is that not sim, its also limiting, because I'm sure if i was playing mYgM, i'd be able to send all my players to camp, as long as I had "VC"

                      MyLEageue is a gimped version of mygm in this aspect. This is a flat out joke.

                      What team can only send 2 players to training camp? i mean, just think of that

                      I thought this was MY League, not some mode in which the game is trying to limit what i can do.

                      What happened to the customization we were offered?

                      What nba team can only train 2 players? come on now
                      Training camp is a gameplay mechanic.

                      After each season players will automatically progress according to their age and potential. This simulates the real life training camp.

                      The in game mechanic training camp is more like devoting extra attention to working with a player. Tying that to trainer level makes sense.

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                      • mrprice33
                        Just some guy
                        • Jul 2003
                        • 5986

                        #731
                        Re: NBA 2K15 Official MyLEAGUE Thread

                        Originally posted by Soundtrack2C
                        Theres no way to pay their players extra money in 2k, so this should be used as a guide. Teams shouldn't be walking around with less than half the cap committed in 2k after the first season. IMO
                        You've established you believe this. What's your reasoning?

                        When teams are building through the draft, as the sixers obviously are, why would you sign players to block your young guys development?

                        Take the Channing Frye/Magic signing, as an example. Why do you think something like that is a good move? How does it get the Magic closer to a title?

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                        • ggsimmonds
                          Hall Of Fame
                          • Jan 2009
                          • 11235

                          #732
                          Re: NBA 2K15 Official MyLEAGUE Thread

                          Originally posted by mrprice33
                          You've established you believe this. What's your reasoning?

                          When teams are building through the draft, as the sixers obviously are, why would you sign players to block your young guys development?

                          Take the Channing Frye/Magic signing, as an example. Why do you think something like that is a good move? How does it get the Magic closer to a title?
                          He almost takes two contradictory stances. Earlier he lamented the possibility of the 76ers not being able to sign their draft picks due to having a full roster. But he is also unhappy that they don't spend more money by acquiring more players via free agency.

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                          • LorenzoDC
                            MVP
                            • Sep 2010
                            • 1857

                            #733
                            Re: NBA 2K15 Official MyLEAGUE Thread

                            Originally posted by Soundtrack2C
                            Thats cheating. im not going to magically say "hey, let me increase x attribute by x points by magic"

                            I dont do things like that, I don't cheat, I play within the system

                            In "association on steriods" I shouldn't have to consider cheating to make what i want to happen, happen.

                            Also, im not really interested in making improvements or suggestions, because i know they will all be saved for 2k16. I want THIS game fixed.
                            For years we've been asking for full editing control because we know that different players emphasize different things. We push for the default systems to improve, but we also wanted the ability to edit to fix the game to be what we want it to be as offline sim players.

                            They gave us a ton more editing and customization this year. There could be even more - you mention the salary cap editing ability and I agree. But let's not shift the goal posts on the devs and discount the ability of editing and just call it "cheating." It's the ability to customize, to use as a cheat or to use for sim. How you use it is up to you, but it also means you're not "limited."

                            I hope they can patch in some improvements to MyLeague this year, but I'm realistic and know they may not be able to do everything we want. This year's effort was a good start out of the gate.

                            The real dumpster fire for them is the online system literally affecting EVERY other mode and the large market of non hardcore sim franchise players. That's the ish that's "broken." So [SPOILER ALERT] I'm here to tell you now you're 95% not likely to get a perfect implementation of the mode as you want it this year, the first year they have it.

                            And even for future years, they may not have a 100% mind meld with your wishes, so try to make friends with the editing and customization options they've built in to accommodate exactly that level of individual taste, without thinking of it as "cheating."

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                            • JRxPHANTOM
                              Rookie
                              • Oct 2014
                              • 186

                              #734
                              Re: NBA 2K15 Official MyLEAGUE Thread

                              Originally posted by Soundtrack2C
                              I forgot to mention, with player morale difficulty at 45, Tony Snell had a -1 overall from about December through the rest of the season, claiming that he "didn't like the direction of the team", yet we were second in the conference

                              He was also playing 20 minutes per, off the bench, if that matters
                              That's weird. I got morale at 60 and every player in the league is happy...

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                              • mrprice33
                                Just some guy
                                • Jul 2003
                                • 5986

                                #735
                                Re: NBA 2K15 Official MyLEAGUE Thread

                                Originally posted by ggsimmonds
                                He almost takes two contradictory stances. Earlier he lamented the possibility of the 76ers not being able to sign their draft picks due to having a full roster. But he is also unhappy that they don't spend more money by acquiring more players via free agency.
                                And the 6ers would never have a full roster with the draft picks. There are too many expirings and non-guaranteeds on their roster. A lot of those guys will get let go.

                                http://www.spotrac.com/nba/philadelphia-76ers/yearly/

                                Even if you add 2 more first rounders here there are a bunch of guys that will be gone, namely all of the guys from the Thad Young deal.

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