NBA 2K15 Official MyLEAGUE/MyGM Thread

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For years we've been asking for full editing control because we know that different players emphasize different things. We push for the default systems to improve, but we also wanted the ability to edit to fix the game to be what we want it to be as offline sim players.

They gave us a ton more editing and customization this year. There could be even more - you mention the salary cap editing ability and I agree. But let's not shift the goal posts on the devs and discount the ability of editing and just call it "cheating." It's the ability to customize, to use as a cheat or to use for sim. How you use it is up to you, but it also means you're not "limited."

I hope they can patch in some improvements to MyLeague this year, but I'm realistic and know they may not be able to do everything we want. This year's effort was a good start out of the gate.

The real dumpster fire for them is the online system literally affecting EVERY other mode and the large market of non hardcore sim franchise players. That's the ish that's "broken." So [SPOILER ALERT] I'm here to tell you now you're 95% not likely to get a perfect implementation of the mode as you want it this year, the first year they have it.

And even for future years, they may not have a 100% mind meld with your wishes, so try to make friends with the editing and customization options they've built in to accommodate exactly that level of individual taste, without thinking of it as "cheating."

I consider it cheating

This year's effort couldn't be a good one because a lot of the stuff they put in, doesnt work as intended, like the trade approval bug in the offseason

Didn't ask for a "perfect" implementation, I just want things to work how they claimed they would

I don't play online so i don't care

Basically, i want the things that are flawed, to be fixed, and I don't want to have to wait a whole year for them to fix one problem, while creating 2 others.

All i want is for things to be how they claimed they would, and I don't want to be gimped in my league, while MyGm lets people train their whole team

not to mention my league never told anyone that somehow, magically, there is a number attached to your trainer that will determine how many players get to attend training camp

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You've established you believe this. What's your reasoning?

When teams are building through the draft, as the sixers obviously are, why would you sign players to block your young guys development?

Take the Channing Frye/Magic signing, as an example. Why do you think something like that is a good move? How does it get the Magic closer to a title?

If you are trying to develop some overall 60 player instead of signing a overall 75 guy from free agency, even to a 1 year deal, so it doesn't affect your future plans, then thats a problem

The magic aren't trying to win a ring, they are trying to get better as a team and they added veteran talent, to compliment their young guys, so that they can chase a playoff seed so that they can try and contend one day

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Training camp is a gameplay mechanic.

After each season players will automatically progress according to their age and potential. This simulates the real life training camp.

The in game mechanic training camp is more like devoting extra attention to working with a player. Tying that to trainer level makes sense.

that doesn't simulate real life training camp, players get worse from player progression in 2k, people don't magically get worse from real life training camp

player progression has always been based on past season success in 2k, so i have 0 clue what you are talking about.

training camp, simulates real life training camp

player progression/degradation doesn't

[ggsimmonds]

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that doesn't simulate real life training camp, players get worse from player progression in 2k, people don't magically get worse from real life training camp

player progression has always been based on past season success in 2k, so i have 0 clue what you are talking about.

training camp, simulates real life training camp

player progression/degradation doesn't

Well I was not expecting you to have zero clue what I was talking about. I thought it was a fairly simple concept to understand. I'll try to explain it better.

In real life why do players improve and regress?
Well they regress due to age and injuries.
Why do young guys improve? Is it offseason activities including training camp? Surely you agree with that.

Now in game 2k modeled regression due to age and injuries. But what about progression?
Lets look at an example. You draft a rookie who comes in at 77 overall. At the end of year one he is a 79 overall due to in season training. But at the start of year 2 his overall is now an 82. You did not send him to the in game training camp.

What is your explanation for his improvement? In real life concepts. Did he get better by playing pick up games over the summer?

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Well I was not expecting you to have zero clue what I was talking about. I thought it was a fairly simple concept to understand. I'll try to explain it better.

In real life why do players improve and regress?
Well they regress due to age and injuries.
Why do young guys improve? Is it offseason activities including training camp? Surely you agree with that.

Now in game 2k modeled regression due to age and injuries. But what about progression?
Lets look at an example. You draft a rookie who comes in at 77 overall. At the end of year one he is a 79 overall due to in season training. But at the start of year 2 his overall is now an 82. You did not send him to the in game training camp.

What is your explanation for his improvement? In real life concepts. Did he get better by playing pick up games over the summer?

his IQ got better because he went through his first nba season, thats the only logical way that could happen, if we aren't talking about him practicing over this time.

But in the 2k world, he would have magically gotten faster without losing weight, or stronger without gaining more muscle

or magically improved his vert

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Well I was not expecting you to have zero clue what I was talking about. I thought it was a fairly simple concept to understand. I'll try to explain it better.

In real life why do players improve and regress?
Well they regress due to age and injuries.
Why do young guys improve? Is it offseason activities including training camp? Surely you agree with that.

Now in game 2k modeled regression due to age and injuries. But what about progression?
Lets look at an example. You draft a rookie who comes in at 77 overall. At the end of year one he is a 79 overall due to in season training. But at the start of year 2 his overall is now an 82. You did not send him to the in game training camp.

What is your explanation for his improvement? In real life concepts. Did he get better by playing pick up games over the summer?

A young kid is going to get better after experiencing a year in the NBA training camps or not. Remember we're talking kids ages 18-21 when it comes to this natural progression season to season. Teenagers mature and their brains develop allowing them to improve. Do you think the reason most players hit's their prime around the same age is because of the training camps they go through?

This kind of natural progression should exist without camps, but it should improve IQ, Offensive and Defensive consistency, etc. Training camps are how I turn the Greek Freek into a ball handler or help Nerlens Noel develop his mid range shot.

[Cf3411]

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For all you sim heads....Interactive MyLeague


http://www.operationsports.com/forum...post2046707937

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A young kid is going to get better after experiencing a year in the NBA training camps or not. Remember we're talking kids ages 18-21 when it comes to this natural progression season to season. Teenagers mature and their brains develop allowing them to improve. Do you think the reason most players hit's their prime around the same age is because of the training camps they go through?

This kind of natural progression should exist without camps, but it should improve IQ, Offensive and Defensive consistency, etc. Training camps are how I turn the Greek Freek into a ball handler or help Nerlens Noel develop his mid range shot.

exactly

And with the way 2k currently has it set up, if you have a team with multiple young guys, unless you plan on ramping up the in season slider, good luck developing them all, because magically, nba teams can only have 2 players attend training camp,lmao.

[ggsimmonds]

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his IQ got better because he went through his first nba season, thats the only logical way that could happen, if we aren't talking about him practicing over this time.

But in the 2k world, he would have magically gotten faster without losing weight, or stronger without gaining more muscle

or magically improved his vert

I said in real life terms. What do you think the progression is meant to model? It was the offseason. Did his basketball iq improve because he was sitting at home? Remember, I gave no requirements to my question of why that player improved other than to explain it in real life concepts. You rightly thought of practicing.

I would argue that he got better due to offseason activities such as practice. Would you not agree that this is logical?

I remember years ago when Dwight Howard was still playing with the Magic. They made a big deal out of how during the offseason he worked with Olajuwon to improve his post game. That is what the in game training camp mechanic seeks to replicate. On top of the normal team practices and training camp he did extra work.

In 2k the normal practices/training camp is modeled by the offseason progression.

[darkknightrises]

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My first paragraph was a slight overreaction, but I wanted to repeat the sentiment that we're on top of any and all issues reported and we're always keeping our ear to the ground for feedback. I'm only human though, and it's impossible to reply to everyone in a timely manner, I'm doing my best.

I apologize to those having issues and I'll do my best with the rest of the team to rectify as many as possible.

You're not the only one Lorenzo, we've gotten a lot of positive feedback from a lot of users about the mode, and I'm pretty confident that even most of the users that report an issue or two are having fun with it nevertheless. I know I am, as much as I'm getting my butt kicked with my Pistons.

I apreteat all you have done and can do. Question in MYLEAGUE what does simulation difficult do? Dose it just make you lose more games or win more games? How does it work?

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Exactly. All we are doing is trying to have our voices heard, we're just trying to make sure they can fix the issues with this game, before they jump onto 2k16 in a month, or whenever they start the dev cycle for it.

Look at the crap we were left with last year, if team fired a coach, a PG on that roster would magically shrink or grow.

was that ever fixed? NOPE.

So don't tell us to accept that this game isn't flawed. We're just trying to fix the issues we are having so we haven't wasted another $60 on a broken product

Unfortchtley I think sports game starting with ps3 and xbox 360 started to have a lot more big issue then they used to have. Back during the ps2 days the sports games didn't have has many big issues. Now with last gen and this gen it semeds like a lot of sports games have a issues in franchise mode that is either a game killer or is pretty big that either never gets fixed or we have to weight for a patch for it to get fixed. look at madden you cant even play owner mode has you have no money to sing guys. I think patchets have made things worse has I think companys are like we can just fix this later insteady of making sure it is fixed before the game comes out.

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A young kid is going to get better after experiencing a year in the NBA training camps or not. Remember we're talking kids ages 18-21 when it comes to this natural progression season to season. Teenagers mature and their brains develop allowing them to improve. Do you think the reason most players hit's their prime around the same age is because of the training camps they go through?

This kind of natural progression should exist without camps, but it should improve IQ, Offensive and Defensive consistency, etc. Training camps are how I turn the Greek Freek into a ball handler or help Nerlens Noel develop his mid range shot.

Doesn't that fall under the in season progression? Rookies and young guys will progress a little during the course of the year even if I do not do anything with them. I think this is due to them learning the NBA and having their basketball iq improve.

I don't think natural progression is actually natural in that sense. A guy is not going to get better at basketball just because he is 20 years old and relaxing during the offseason.

Young guys get better with repetition. Surely we can agree on that right? There are no games he is playing during the offseason (NBA wise, I doubt he would improve by playing pick up games back home). So I ask what drives this improvement if not practice??

Turning the Greek freak into a ballhandler or develop Noel's midrange shot would require the in game training camp. And I argue that this mechanic models the above and beyond of regular practices.

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exactly

And with the way 2k currently has it set up, if you have a team with multiple young guys, unless you plan on ramping up the in season slider, good luck developing them all, because magically, nba teams can only have 2 players attend training camp,lmao.

Those young guys will progress during the offseason even if you do not send them to training camp.
In game training camp only provides a big boost in a certain area to their development.

[Leftos]

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exactly

And with the way 2k currently has it set up, if you have a team with multiple young guys, unless you plan on ramping up the in season slider, good luck developing them all, because magically, nba teams can only have 2 players attend training camp,lmao.

What are you talking about? Both in-season training and offseason progression work in tandem to improve players that are before their peaks. The training camps at the end of the offseason are there if you want to develop a certain skillset of a few players a bit more, but it's completely unnecessary. We've tuned the game so that you don't have to use it, but you can use it to get that additional boost here and there. You're talking as if offseason progression doesn't already progress young players.

I get that you want more training camps because you like selecting exactly how your players develop in the offseason, but there's two systems already there that guarantee progression, development and regression.

This has devolved into you disagreeing as to which mechanic should take care of offseason progression. You want training camps with explicit user interaction, the game focuses mostly on the offseason progression that happens during the summer outside of the team's facilities and is beyond the coaching staff's control.

But saying that players won't develop because you don't get enough training camps is completely false.

[mrprice33]

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If you are trying to develop some overall 60 player instead of signing a overall 75 guy from free agency, even to a 1 year deal, so it doesn't affect your future plans, then thats a problem

The magic aren't trying to win a ring, they are trying to get better as a team and they added veteran talent, to compliment their young guys, so that they can chase a playoff seed so that they can try and contend one day

But that's not what's happening in the 6ers case, specifically. They have solid young talent that you'd want to develop at every position except SG which would be their target during the draft. Why would you sign a 75-rated sf for 4-6 mil per when you can play kj McDaniels (who is a 69 in the base roster and should move up into the low 70s after year 1) 30+ minutes per game on about a quarter of that?

And at SG, who is moving the needle for you fa wise that you could actually get? Klay Thompson isn't signing with Philly, and there are no other real elite 2 guards that will be available that soon, and again, if they focused on the wing in the draft, the idea is to develop those guys, not sign overpriced fas to take their minutes.

You can't just say "oh they should spend money that's not realistic" without assessing the situation. I'd much rather the CPU logic work this way than to have teams not assess their roster and goals and act accordingly.