NBA 2K15 Gameplay...a bit worrisome

**stillfeelme** · 10-05-2014, 09:03 PM

Re: NBA 2K15 Gameplay...a bit worrisome

Originally posted by vannwolfhawk

Ya, it's funny that it's a 2k team up guy that is the one making the game look stupid before release! I wonder if EA got to him? Lol!

Exactly just weird man. It is like he threw that out the window. Whatever to get those subscribers, likes and views

**Vni** · 10-05-2014, 09:11 PM

Re: NBA 2K15 Gameplay...a bit worrisome

Originally posted by 2_headedmonster

What should be happening here instead ? Like a contact animation ? Honest question because I feel if a guy is running at full speed he will blow by a guy standing still everytime... But maybe not the way he does it in the video... I don't know.

What the defender is supposed to do in that situation ? I realise that the help defense is very late too.

**2_headedmonster** · 10-05-2014, 09:16 PM

Re: NBA 2K15 Gameplay...a bit worrisome

Originally posted by Vni

What should be happening here instead ? Like a contact animation ? Honest question because I feel if a guy is running at full speed he will blow by a guy standing still everytime... But maybe not the way he does it in the video... I don't know.

he should back-peddle and give ground, not sit there planted like an oak tree with the ball handler bearing down on him.

In that situation you give up the jumper not the lay-up. but in the game not only do they not give ground, they dont turn their hips and shuffle as fast as a user would.

In this example, its manageable to manually move the defender back. but in transition you have the ball handler coming, and people on the wings and a trailing big. Thats a tough situation to be in to not have the basic rule of "stop the ball" respected.

**Snrubby** · 10-05-2014, 09:17 PM

Re: NBA 2K15 Gameplay...a bit worrisome

Originally posted by stillfeelme

Exactly just weird man. It is like he threw that out the window. Whatever to get those subscribers, likes and views

He's catering to his casual audience, those who likely only play online game modes and cheese 24/7. Judging by the comments, they seem to focus on the "fact" that Zach Lavine is overrated (which he is), not on the defense nor the difficulty.

If you can replicate this exact cheesing tactic on harder difficulties with sim sliders and any dunker (e.g 75+ dunk rating, above average speed, Posterizer badge), then it's an issue

PS: You're going to get posters with the badge, but STG pulled it off almost every play

**vannwolfhawk** · 10-05-2014, 09:29 PM

Re: NBA 2K15 Gameplay...a bit worrisome

Originally posted by Vni

What should be happening here instead ? Like a contact animation ? Honest question because I feel if a guy is running at full speed he will blow by a guy standing still everytime... But maybe not the way he does it in the video... I don't know.

What the defender is supposed to do in that situation ? I realise that the help defense is very late too.

It shouldn't happen every time. Defender should not play straight up, force to 1 side, backpedal as player is running at him. All things a defender does irl.

Originally posted by 2_headedmonster

he should back-peddle and give ground, not sit there planted like an oak tree with the ball handler bearing down on him.

In that situation you give up the jumper not the lay-up. but in the game not only do they not give ground, they dont turn their hips and shuffle as fast as a user would.

To be honest I have thought on ball defense has been horrible since 2k11. I know in 11 there was almost a force field and bumping and it wasn't the most realistic but it was the best feeling wise in a video game that I can remember. Like madden this year they focused on defense and made it fun again. In 2k defense isn't fun and I pray I stay in front of defender online. I swear nothing gets tested online so in fairness the debs don't understand the lag or lack of control as opposed to offline.

But like you said I'd like to see CPU ai retreat with better agility. This should happen occasionally but not every time down the floor. This reminds me of a issue in madden last year (became a game killer for me so I passed on game) where I could run curl routes all game against Sherman and complete 10/10 of them wih no ai adjustments.

And they should give up the jumper not a lay in so they should be sagging off more to eliminate this.

**vannwolfhawk** · 10-05-2014, 09:30 PM

Re: NBA 2K15 Gameplay...a bit worrisome

Originally posted by 2_headedmonster

Have you played against another user yet and tried this on sim setting and superstar? Is a users ability and quickness able to stop this?

**2_headedmonster** · 10-05-2014, 09:36 PM

Re: NBA 2K15 Gameplay...a bit worrisome

Originally posted by vannwolfhawk

Have you played against another user yet and tried this on sim setting and superstar? Is a users ability and quickness able to stop this?

yea, i touched on this earlier in the thread. My gf's lil bro was able to pull this off on me at will as i tried all kinds of defensive adjustments with both Rose, Rubio and some other guard i cant remember.

Manually i could contain it, but in transition there were too many things and players to manage to shut this tactic down. I stopped it here and there, but he was successful at times too.

retreating, quicker turning of the hips, and use of the speed shuffle would all be things id suggest the cpu use more to react realistically.

**Vni** · 10-05-2014, 09:42 PM

Re: NBA 2K15 Gameplay...a bit worrisome

I imagine his players would get tired really quickly doing this too, right ?

**Boilerbuzz** · 10-05-2014, 09:43 PM

Re: NBA 2K15 Gameplay...a bit worrisome

Originally posted by vannwolfhawk

Have you played against another user yet and tried this on sim setting and superstar? Is a users ability and quickness able to stop this?

This. This is what I asked and one of the points I made. The CPU defender is not dropping like he should. At least now soon enough. But the guys I've really hammered on are the ones that are saying it will be an issue in a *human versus human* game. I'm sure the AI defender can be patched to drop (at least I hope), but if this issue extends beyond AI defenders, and isn't just a bad behavior on the AI's part, then that needs to be identified.

**2_headedmonster** · 10-05-2014, 09:48 PM

Re: NBA 2K15 Gameplay...a bit worrisome

Originally posted by Vni

I imagine his players would get tired really quickly doing this too, right ?

considering it didnt matter which point guard did it, it didnt matter. The better the guard, he go for the finish, otherwise he'd dump it off or kick it out.

**Boilerbuzz** · 10-05-2014, 09:48 PM

Re: NBA 2K15 Gameplay...a bit worrisome

Originally posted by 2_headedmonster

yea, i touched on this earlier in the thread. My gf's lil bro was able to pull this off on me at will as i tried all kinds of defensive adjustments with both Rose, Rubio and some other guard i cant remember.

Manually i could contain it, but in transition there were too many things and players to manage to shut this tactic down. I stopped it here and there, but he was successful at times too.

Wait, these two statements seem to contradict each other. Was he able to do it "at will" or were you able to contain it? In RL, this is HARD to defend in open space. This is why you're coached to stop the ball as soon as possible - to slow him down and make him pick a side - normally away from the ball (make him change hands). It slows him down. Seems that the cross may not be slowing him down enough and help is really late.

**vannwolfhawk** · 10-05-2014, 09:48 PM

Re: NBA 2K15 Gameplay...a bit worrisome

Originally posted by Boilerbuzz

This. This is what I asked and one of the points I made. The CPU defender is not dropping like he should. At least now soon enough. But the guys I've really hammered on are the ones that are saying it will be an issue in a *human versus human* game. I'm sure the AI defender can be patched to drop (at least I hope), but if this issue extends beyond AI defenders, and isn't just a bad behavior on the AI's part, then that needs to be identified.

I agree and it's been a legacy issue really since 2k11 as far as defenders being slower and not as agile as offensive guys IMO. Like I said I haven't enjoyed on ball defense since 2k11. It just hasn't been tuned properly IMO. I almost think for a user it should be higher ability on ball. It's so easy to take people off the dribble but I need to wait until I feel THIS years game and see if it's more of the same.

**vannwolfhawk** · 10-05-2014, 09:51 PM

Re: NBA 2K15 Gameplay...a bit worrisome

Originally posted by Boilerbuzz

Wait, these two statements seem to contradict each other. Was he able to do it "at will" or were you able to contain it? In RL, this is HARD to defend in open space. This is why you're coached to stop the ball as soon as possible - to slow him down and make him pick a side - normally away from the ball (make him change hands). It slows him down. Seems that the cross may not be slowing him down enough and help is really late.

Good point! It's like there is no penalty for crossing over at full speed. Irl that cross is stolen if he doesn't break down and stutter before crossing him unless he crossed sooner where defender should then have time to recover and re route him.

**iLLosophy** · 10-05-2014, 09:52 PM

Re: NBA 2K15 Gameplay...a bit worrisome

I've watched like 4 different mycareer videos on twitch, and every one of them is getting Player of the Game and playing major minutes. Even if they were playing on rookie, isn't a little absurd to make that much progress in so little time since they got the game?

**Boilerbuzz** · 10-05-2014, 09:52 PM

Re: NBA 2K15 Gameplay...a bit worrisome

Originally posted by vannwolfhawk

I agree and it's been a legacy issue really since 2k11 as far as defenders being slower and not as agile as offensive guys IMO. Like I said I haven't enjoyed on ball defense since 2k11. It just hasn't been tuned properly IMO. I almost think for a user it should be higher ability on ball. It's so easy to take people off the dribble but I need to wait until I feel THIS years game and see if it's more of the same.

Right. What's funny is that I've always felt the dribbler is allowed to do MUCH more, physically difficult things, where the defender was not. Is this still the case? I've seen people complain that the defender shuffling is too fast. NOTE: I'm not talking about 2K15. 2K15 seems more balanced. When my friends and family get the game, I guess I'll get the answer to these questions.

NBA 2K15 Gameplay...a bit worrisome

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