So how long will 2K continue to deny 3rd quarter momentum shifts?

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  • DoubleZ_3
    Pro
    • Sep 2013
    • 555

    #46
    Re: So how long will 2K continue to deny 3rd quarter momentum shifts?

    Originally posted by Hustle Westbrook
    When my opponents go on these ridiculous runs I make sure to call timeouts, slow the game down, make substitutions and run plays.

    I understand that teams go on runs in the NBA that's because they make adjustments and a lot of the time when teams are getting blown out the bench comes in and that's when they make their runs.

    When I'm playing some cheeser on online they're not making any adjustments at halftime. They'll deny ball and play everyone tight from start to finish.

    My complaint is that I feel I have no control when other teams are going on runs. It's feels forced.

    One of my theory's is that if you're hot in the 1st half the game recognizes that and tries to average out your shooting percentages by lowering them in the 2nd half.

    I actually tested this out a few months back. In the 1st half I would sag off all perimeter players and completely lock down the paint and force my opponents to take 3s. I wouldn't manually switch on-ball to close out on shooters like I normally do. My opponents would go nuts from 3 in the 1st half and I would not make any adjustments. 2nd half comes and my opponents would continue to shoot 3s but they would not drop anymore.

    Using this strategy I managed to go on a 15 game win-streak with the Knicks (while Carmelo was out of the lineup due to injury). Same story every game. Opponent goes crazy from 3 in the 1st half and goes dead cold in the 2nd. I eventually ran into a Thunder user who managed to kill me from 3 the entire game. Opponent went 6-10 from 3 with Roberson who has a 3 point rating in the 60s. I assume he mastered his release because Roberson has a 3 point rating in the 60s. Ended up losing the game by about 18.

    Anyway, I challenge you guys to test out this theory to see if you guys get the same result.
    Then you'll have people complaining it's not realistic.
    Originally posted by thedream2k13
    Invalid excuse ,users should have control not "comeback logic"

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    • DoubleZ_3
      Pro
      • Sep 2013
      • 555

      #47
      Re: So how long will 2K continue to deny 3rd quarter momentum shifts?

      Originally posted by RodionMaZ
      You are missing the OP point. This thing is forced AUTOMATICALLY by in-game logic. Why should I adjust something when my opponent doesn't adapt even a bit?
      I'm okay to "step up" if it is the opponent who adjusted his game, not the game itseft gave him some "momentum" out of the blue.
      Because if that never happened people would then complain about it not being realistic. You can't make everyone happy.

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      • 2ksinceday1
        Banned
        • Jan 2014
        • 63

        #48
        Re: So how long will 2K continue to deny 3rd quarter momentum shifts?

        Can someone please tell me exactly
        what Defensive assist strength and Boxout Assist strength is??? I know its suppose to help guide you in some way but I never really understood what exactly turning it from 0 to 100 or 100 to 0 is suppose to do? Is it just a placebo effect or does it really matter. What are the games default settings for these?

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        • nova91
          MVP
          • Oct 2009
          • 2074

          #49
          Re: So how long will 2K continue to deny 3rd quarter momentum shifts?

          Originally posted by DoubleZ_3
          Because if that never happened people would then complain about it not being realistic. You can't make everyone happy.
          Why would anyone complain about that? I'm trying to think of a valid complaint against that and I just can't. If you or your opponent are getting beaten and you're not attempting to make any adjustments to overcome the deficit that's on you and you only.

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          Say "No" to railroaded MC modes.

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          • RodionMaZ
            Rookie
            • Mar 2015
            • 95

            #50
            Re: So how long will 2K continue to deny 3rd quarter momentum shifts?

            Originally posted by DoubleZ_3
            Because if that never happened people would then complain about it not being realistic. You can't make everyone happy.
            I don't think that in real life it's a god's hand that helps teams to gain momentum.

            "Realistic" - it's if I was taking bad shots, not making good releases and then, after a break and some Gatorade I concentrated and changed "3pt cheese tactics" to "bank shot all the time". And started playing patient defense without jumping like rabbit just raising my hands. In this case I think that I'll be able to cut the deficit by my own actions and it's realistic. But when I'm doing nothing different and continuing to take bad shot and suddenly they start to fall into a basket - that is unrealistic because someone helps me for no valid reason.

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            • DoubleZ_3
              Pro
              • Sep 2013
              • 555

              #51
              Re: So how long will 2K continue to deny 3rd quarter momentum shifts?

              Originally posted by nova91
              Why would anyone complain about that? I'm trying to think of a valid complaint against that and I just can't. If you or your opponent are getting beaten and you're not attempting to make any adjustments to overcome the deficit that's on you and you only.

              Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S5 using tapatalk
              You're missing the fact that this happens vs the cpu as well. And people complain about the cpu adjusting and making runs. Not so much player vs player. But that comes with each idividual players consistency.

              there are very inconsistent players in the league, that's what they're trying to replicate. Note I said trying.

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              • DoubleZ_3
                Pro
                • Sep 2013
                • 555

                #52
                Re: So how long will 2K continue to deny 3rd quarter momentum shifts?

                Originally posted by RodionMaZ
                I don't think that in real life it's a god's hand that helps teams to gain momentum.

                "Realistic" - it's if I was taking bad shots, not making good releases and then, after a break and some Gatorade I concentrated and changed "3pt cheese tactics" to "bank shot all the time". And started playing patient defense without jumping like rabbit just raising my hands. In this case I think that I'll be able to cut the deficit by my own actions and it's realistic. But when I'm doing nothing different and continuing to take bad shot and suddenly they start to fall into a basket - that is unrealistic because someone helps me for no valid reason.
                That's called consistency. there are some inconsistent players in the league and as I said above, they're trying. Yes trying to replicate player consistency. Which is realistic. You think just because you get perfect releases they have to go in or taking bad shots you have to miss? Eventually taking enough bad shots you get one to go in and some players can snowball from that no matter where they shoot.

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                • DoubleZ_3
                  Pro
                  • Sep 2013
                  • 555

                  #53
                  Re: So how long will 2K continue to deny 3rd quarter momentum shifts?

                  Originally posted by DoubleZ_3
                  That's called consistency. there are some inconsistent players in the league and as I said above, they're trying. Yes trying to replicate player consistency. Which is realistic. You think just because you get perfect releases they have to go in or taking bad shots you have to miss? Eventually taking enough bad shots you get one to go in and some players can snowball from that no matter where they shoot.
                  And I don't mean it's good or even remotely good. I'm just saying that's the point of it. Which is realistic they just don't do a good job with it. It's inconsistently inconsistent lol.

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                  • RodionMaZ
                    Rookie
                    • Mar 2015
                    • 95

                    #54
                    Re: So how long will 2K continue to deny 3rd quarter momentum shifts?

                    Originally posted by DoubleZ_3
                    That's called consistency. there are some inconsistent players in the league and as I said above, they're trying. Yes trying to replicate player consistency. Which is realistic. You think just because you get perfect releases they have to go in or taking bad shots you have to miss? Eventually taking enough bad shots you get one to go in and some players can snowball from that no matter where they shoot.
                    Even if it is so, I don't like it. I don't believe that full-Ruby lineup in MyTeam suddenly becomes "unconsistent". It's BS, not realism.

                    I need basketball simulator, not "humans are not perfect" sim. It's the benefit of the videogame - I want "perfect humans" with no injuries, no hidden momentums, just my pure skill. I'm okay if my perfect release will airball from time to time because in-game shooting skill is capped at 95-99 and that's enough to have some missed shots.

                    At least, give me the option to turn off "human factor just like in real life, yo".
                    And give me the option to match like-minded opponents online.

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                    • nova91
                      MVP
                      • Oct 2009
                      • 2074

                      #55
                      Re: So how long will 2K continue to deny 3rd quarter momentum shifts?

                      Originally posted by DoubleZ_3
                      You're missing the fact that this happens vs the cpu as well. And people complain about the cpu adjusting and making runs. Not so much player vs player. But that comes with each idividual players consistency.

                      there are very inconsistent players in the league, that's what they're trying to replicate. Note I said trying.
                      I'm not missing anything. I haven't seen anyone and you still haven't presented a valid reason as to why anyone would complain if they or their opponent, CPU included, did not gain momentum/were not able cut a lead when they continue to play like crap and make no effort to change their fortunes or if a team gained some momentum by adjusting their play style, pace, shot selection aggressiveness etc.

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                      • jk31
                        MVP
                        • Sep 2014
                        • 2662

                        #56
                        Re: So how long will 2K continue to deny 3rd quarter momentum shifts?

                        Funny discussion.

                        One faction says momentum shifts happen in real life, too. PERIOD.

                        Second faction, where I count myself into answers: It's about artificial momentum shifts, where someone doesn't adjust to anything and gets rewarded for keeping his bull**** style of play.

                        Now one of the first factions says momentum shifts happen in real life, too. PERIOD.

                        Wow...Turning circles again and again...


                        I'd like to see a team in reallife with the following tactics:
                        - Taking the first available shot, no matter if its open or if a defender is standing on your feet.
                        - always reach in for the ball
                        - double team all the time
                        - as soon as the ball is near the 3pt line jump to block a shot, even if the ballhandler doesnt seem to take one

                        This team stays with this crap tactic the whole game. THE. WHOLE. GAME. They are getting down by 20 at halftime. After halftime, without changing anything in their tactics, they start to hit some of those crap shots, they begin to steal the ball, the opponent begins to miss open layups which were created by all those bad double teams. The team gets the margin tighter and in the end it's a close ball game.

                        All those "happens in real life" people tell me: Would something like that happen in real life?! NO!
                        Last edited by jk31; 03-10-2015, 12:08 PM.

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                        • Shady Mike
                          Banned
                          • Nov 2014
                          • 1218

                          #57
                          Re: So how long will 2K continue to deny 3rd quarter momentum shifts?

                          Aaron Brooks just hit the most amazing fadeaway running 3pt shot with 33 seconds left in the game lol. I bet all of you would be whining "not sim" if that happened in 2k.

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                          • The 24th Letter
                            ERA
                            • Oct 2007
                            • 39373

                            #58
                            Re: So how long will 2K continue to deny 3rd quarter momentum shifts?

                            Originally posted by Shady Mike
                            Aaron Brooks just hit the most amazing fadeaway running 3pt shot with 33 seconds left in the game lol. I bet all of you would be whining "not sim" if that happened in 2k.

                            Sent from my HTC ONE using tapatalk Pro!

                            You should've seen the 3rd quarter comeback cheese yesterday in the Spurs/Raptors game. The Spurs just started missing the same shots they were making in first half, and the Raptors started hitting contested shots and layups. Not organic at all.

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                            • madmax52277
                              Banned
                              • Nov 2014
                              • 435

                              #59
                              Re: So how long will 2K continue to rdeny 3rd quarter momentum shifts?

                              I've been playing on SStar default sim for years, when the last patch came it fixed a few problems with the game..now this game play's like sh**

                              The games are rigged, fixed so you will loose or win in an ugly fashion. the cpu refuses to lose, they will do anything to win, that means playing out of rating, attributes, characters, they just don't care who they got on their team that player will turn in to a superstar.

                              The cpu will dribble through traffic without being penalize, they will not loose the basketball. they will make contested layups or shots without being penalize.

                              What makes it bad for the user so many easy opportunity to score but we are penalized so the cpu may have a chance to make a run. what fun it is knowing outcomes. knowing you will miss and the cpu will hit. and it happen with any team you play, same bs game after game.

                              This is just for HOF and SStar sim, AllStar sim plays great.

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                              • JerzeyReign
                                MVP
                                • Jul 2009
                                • 4847

                                #60
                                Re: So how long will 2K continue to deny 3rd quarter momentum shifts?

                                Good thing we are all on the PS4 and can stream our games to Twitch. For those saying the game has artificial runs - would you mind letting some of us watch you play the game?

                                I ask because I just want to see the adjustments that are made/not made. Just curious.

                                Tweet me when you go hot so I can check it out if I have any takers. I could also play a game as well if you want.
                                #WashedGamer

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