There is nothing wrong with the CPU on-ball defense. Here are some tips....

[DmaXmius101]

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haa haa lol at lateral hop. stop it dmax.

look both of you have a point. guys are trying to cheese their way to the basket or force their way. thats not basketball. learn to play legit basketball. BUT with that said, even guys playing real basketball. a part of basketball is taking your man off the dribble when in an iso situation. if i get a defender leaning left and i shake back right at the right moment. the defender will be off balance. then if i go to the rack. the defender has no chance of catching up. NON. the best he can do is bump me which is actually a foul in that scenario. because i'm clearly by you. i said this in the other thread about that other game. where some guy showed a video saying he LIKED that sticky glue defensive bump on the drive. thats not real. if your shoulder is past the guy. its a wrap. you aint catching up. you're beat. its that simple. and it should be that simple in 2k or any other hoop game. now you can be stopped by the defender playing further off of you. not nearly as close. and/or having a backline defense to shut you down before you get to the rim.

Some don't understand..but this is how real organize basketball feels. There's bumping pushing, collision, frustration being heavily guarded. Man if you played real life basketball you wouldn't be complaing.

But trust me...this **** is going to be patch I just know it.

[UnbelievablyRAW]

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lol i feel your pain and have felt your pain for years. no one hears you but me and a handful of on ball defenders. the rest are all about cpu defenders doing the work for them. they actually LIKE that better. i use to tell guys in the old 2k's when they had lobbys you could type in. "if you put your cpu guy on me, and i put my cpu guy on you. guess what we're playing? VS THE CPU not each other."

but they never understood that concept.

when i use to run some online leagues on 2k back in the day as GM. i would make sure to turn down CPU defensive awareness. it forced dudes to play on ball defense. they had no other option. they would cry and cry and cry about it. until a few games in when they got use to it. and they realized how much fun they were having win or lose.

Yeah, I absolutely hate when people play offball. There is literally no excuse I can think of for why one would do it other than "the AI plays the game better than I do so I'll let it play for me".

I'm 10-3 online but I'd probably only have 1 loss if the guys I faced were forced to play defence.

[xCoachDx]

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Yeah, I absolutely hate when people play offball. There is literally no excuse I can think of for why one would do it other than "the AI plays the game better than I do so I'll let it play for me".

I'm 10-3 online but I'd probably only have 1 loss if the guys I faced were forced to play defence.

I do it for helpside defense. The help rotations are pitiful at times. Like if a player drives from the top of the key with a player in the ballside corner, the corner defender will drop in and leave his man WIDE open for a shot. That's not how it should happen. Help should come from the backside. Drives me INSANE when this happens.

[theMayor313]

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Yes there is something wrong with CPU defense. Many have posted video proof already. http://xboxdvr.com/gamer/LBx6IX/video/10612061 look at my defender slide to get in front of me. This is on All-Star sim by the way. It's unrealistic and defies the new foot planting system. The warping and sliding need to go. The CPU defense would be fine if they fixed those things.

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thank u SOMEBODY agrees with me....the rest of yall thinking that "no patch required"...yall r smoking something...his vid is EXACTLY the issue im talking about....u cant practice glue like D...its a problem yall....ACCEPT it

[pack4life69]

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thank u SOMEBODY agrees with me....the rest of yall thinking that "no patch required"...yall r smoking something...his vid is EXACTLY the issue im talking about....u cant practice glue like D...its a problem yall....ACCEPT it

Some people are weary of a patch because they have a tendency to be too extreme. If they can fix some warping without messing anything else then go for it.

But in my experience working with developers is that coding can be tricky. You change one line and next thing you know a total different system gets negatively impacted.

If this warping is there to assist with zig zag cheese would the majority of gamers be fine removing that if it means zig zag cheese returns?

If this warping is helping make the defense actually be competitive this year would the majority of gamers be fine removing it if thay means defense gets nerfed?

I guess my issue is more about my lack in faith toward 2k patches and less about seeing some warping every now and then.

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[dat boi Q]

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Never thought I see the day people would defend warping in video games.

[El_Poopador]

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Some people are weary of a patch because they have a tendency to be too extreme. If they can fix some warping without messing anything else then go for it.

But in my experience working with developers is that coding can be tricky. You change one line and next thing you know a total different system gets negatively impacted.

If this warping is there to assist with zig zag cheese would the majority of gamers be fine removing that if it means zig zag cheese returns?

If this warping is helping make the defense actually be competitive this year would the majority of gamers be fine removing it if thay means defense gets nerfed?

I guess my issue is more about my lack in faith toward 2k patches and less about seeing some warping every now and then.

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Personally, I've never seen a user-controlled player trigger that kind of sliding to get back into defensive position, so the zig-zag cheese isn't affected unless the user is playing off-ball defense, which is just as bad. The issue is that CPU-controlled defenders can get beat, then slide back in front of the ball-handler as if they were there the whole time.

[SportsGamer94]

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No sports video game has zero warping, its a way for the a.i. to keep up with the human in which it can never be smarter than. its how much and how drastic the warping is. In this game the warping is not that bad at all, Ive played sports game with way worse warping, Madden the worse of them all and nobody says anything.

[kobethelegend]

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Some people are weary of a patch because they have a tendency to be too extreme. If they can fix some warping without messing anything else then go for it.

But in my experience working with developers is that coding can be tricky. You change one line and next thing you know a total different system gets negatively impacted.

If this warping is there to assist with zig zag cheese would the majority of gamers be fine removing that if it means zig zag cheese returns?

If this warping is helping make the defense actually be competitive this year would the majority of gamers be fine removing it if thay means defense gets nerfed?

I guess my issue is more about my lack in faith toward 2k patches and less about seeing some warping every now and then.

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Pack, you make some excellent and legit points. getting down to the truth of the matter. and my answer to your questions would be this, FIX THE GAME. that means even if you break something in the process, Attempt to FIX THE GAME. go ahead and break something else, then fix that, and fix the next thing. so forth and so on. This is how game development gets better for us consumers. what i dont like that some games do is try to stop cheese by taking away a realistic move. nope. do not do that. keep realisim thats there in the game. dont touch it. not even to stop cheese. then you work on how to make the game even more and more realistic. the more realistic a game becomes the less cheese you will see. never try to STOP cheese. try to AIM for realism.

[Rell7thirty]

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Great tips Earv. I actually managed to figure this out the hard way lol. In mycareer I even had to switch the iso crossover to a quicker one. Playing on HoF is no joke

[kobethelegend]

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No sports video game has zero warping, its a way for the a.i. to keep up with the human in which it can never be smarter than. its how much and how drastic the warping is. In this game the warping is not that bad at all, Ive played sports game with way worse warping, Madden the worse of them all and nobody says anything.

come on bro. stop it. i cant believe you guys are really okaying warping. wow.

SG, it is that bad. and it needs to be fixed. if you want to have solid AI defense. what you do is allow the AI to read the scouting report like real life. allow the ai to know your tendencies. and depending on their awareness ratings. the better they are at sticking to the scouting report. 2k always keeps an eye on your VIP info. so its all there. the computer could easily use that info to defend you as best it could. and then, if you choose to do something out of the ordinary, you may shock the cpu. but thats true in real life vs a human. if the scouts says i never go left. and you cut my right off forcing me left. but i succeed in going left a lot of the game. i beat your scouting report. you only knew i went right. you didnt know if i could or couldnt go left. now you know i can. add that to the report. so forth and so on.

the warping is not necessary. at least not at this level that we're seeing in this game.

[kobethelegend]

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[QUOTE=DmaXmius101;2047719625]

Some don't understand..but this is how real organize basketball feels. There's bumping pushing, collision, frustration being heavily guarded. Man if you played real life basketball you wouldn't be complaing.

But trust me...this **** is going to be patch I just know it.

lol at if i played real life basketball. i've played so much real life basketball i cant play at the same level anymore due to knee problems. we're talking street ball and organized. i've played with people my size and much taller i'm 6'2. all of my friends are pretty much 6'2 +. we all have played ball. i had the luxury of playing with and against actual pro street ballers(guys from and 1 that are now with ball up). i've had the luxury of playing with and against ex nba players that was still better than the rest of us lol. i've had the luxury of playing with/against some current nba players. i've played d-1 level guys, d2, guys who've played overseas, etc. i've played in those nike 3 on 3 tournaments which use to be hoop it up and won a couple.

when i say, i know bumping and all that contact. i'm not making it up.

I'm telling you. thats not bumping. thats a guy fake sliding over in an animation that never should've occurred.

if i make my defender go left when i go right. ITS OVER. he's gone. he's beat. there is no recovering from that in a half court setting with nba speed players. now you can be a step behind me and bump into me anyway and foul me(up to the ref to call it). but there is no way in physics you can catch up to me, get in front and play perfect defense. not going to happen in that scenario. thats exactly what was happening in the game.

now you could poke the ball lose from behind with a nice suicide reach. if i dont lower my dribble. if i'm the type to bring the ball down before i go up for the layup. you may have a split second to strip me or tie the ball up. or if you're super athletic. you could swat it from behind.

im older, slower, less athletic, hurt, and out of shape. and i get a full step on kawhi lenard. i'm beating him to the basket. what he will do is bump me(might get a foul call) on the side. or strip me, or poke the ball lose or toss my weak layup attempt off the backboard from behind. because he has enough closing speed/length to makeup for me beating him. but he can not slide over in front of me after being completely off balance going the other direction.

[SaruAqua]

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I've definitely had more and more success as I continue to practice. I actually had no problems blowing past everyone on the Suns with Carter/McGrady yesterday on superstar difficulty. Hesitations and spin moves have definitely been helping.

However, the cpu still cheeses on defense with their constant warping. I was facing the Clippers with the '13 Heat and was baffled at how Paul Pierce bumped and contained PEAK LEBRON from attacking the basket.

[Sundown]

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Crazy that at OS of all places dudes are putting their fingers in there ears to this kind of stuff....Again, fully behind seeing things like this get fixed...but I will keep giving advice to those who aren't set to let it ruin their experience in the meantime...

There are folks putting fingers in their ears on both sides of the issue.

I mean the title of this very thread IS essentially fingers in ears and full on denial of very clear evidence.

Then it attempts to prove the nonexistence of CPU defensive issues simply by posting some videos where the CPU can be beat. Of course it can. But that is not AT ALL the same as saying there is nothing wrong with the CPU-- not to mention 1 vs 1 blacktop might play differently from 5 vs 5 (which in my limited experience seems like it does).

It's like claiming that there isn't any crime or disease in a certain country by showing a few pictures of healthy, law-abiding people.


Now perhaps the sliding is rare. Perhaps it doesn't affect people as much as is made out. Perhaps there are workarounds. Perhaps such a fix cannot be easily made without compromising something else fundamental to CPU defense (I'm somewhat dubious). Maybe the fix isn't worth it. We can and should have a nuanced, technical discussion about all that.

But full on denial based on what seems to be fear that a fix might break the current gameplay balance pretty much kills truthful discussion and pursuit of better sim play-- because warping defenders and magical barriers preventing movement through an open lane is not sim in any universe.

[Sundown]

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Ppl just want to be able to drive past the defense every time. And when they can't it's an issue. I don't think anything is wrong. I think ppl just want a successful iso 100% of the time which is never the case. I just hope 2k doesn't make offense easierv this year. It's pretty decent where it is.

I certainly don't. I like that the on-ball defense is harder. The thing is that it's so much harder that when you DO end up with a clear blow by opportunity which is rare, after you DID properly read and react, it's frustrating to have that taken away from you by CPU sliding.

Keep the challenge level up. Don't resort to immersion breaking sliding and warping for game balance. If you have to tune the AI to be smarter and not get out of position as much after fixing the sliding, then do that.

But if the AI is out of position and wrong footed, it's out of position and wrong footed.