There is nothing wrong with the CPU on-ball defense. Here are some tips....

[hanzsomehanz]

Re: There is nothing wrong with the CPU on-ball defense. Here are some tips....

Wait are we even talking about the same video?

I understand people are entitled to their own opinions but if my opinion is that Paul George is the cover athlete of nba 2k16, that's wrong information not an opinion and you don't have to respect it.

With that said if you think this

http://youtu.be/XgwyPvYG3gE

Is a side step and youre seeing him move his feet instead of slide with your own 2 eyes then........



And Lmao @ I seem mad

The (beaten) defender should not be able to halt your momentum so suddenly with that hand check - now if he was already in a ride position then so be it but this defender was clearly best and the recovery animation needs to simulate something more practical than what we currently see.



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[ProfessaPackMan]

There is nothing wrong with the CPU on-ball defense. Here are some tips....

/reads the thread title







Huh?

I said "most folk", not all.

And the title don't mean ****. I've seen people here have in their titles "2K IS BROKEN!!!" but then are the same ones in that thread saying "Well, it's not broken but there are issues".

[ekferio]

Re: There is nothing wrong with the CPU on-ball defense. Here are some tips....

How about when they teleport in front of you during a fast break when they're slightly behind you. That's equally annoying.

[Scofield]

Re: There is nothing wrong with the CPU on-ball defense. Here are some tips....

I said "most folk", not all.

And the title don't mean ****. I've seen people here have in their titles "2K IS BROKEN!!!" but then are the same ones in that thread saying "Well, it's not broken but there are issues".

So we're basically where this board typically is then... people talking past each other and knee-jerking to positions without deference to reason or context.

[Sundown]

Re: There is nothing wrong with the CPU on-ball defense. Here are some tips....

I said "most folk", not all.

And the title don't mean ****. I've seen people here have in their titles "2K IS BROKEN!!!" but then are the same ones in that thread saying "Well, it's not broken but there are issues".

Good try though, buddy.

You said there is literally no one who claims that warping doesn't exist when the very thread of this title is a denial that warping exists in a manner that affects the defense.

To be fair the poster didn't say there's no warping at all, but suggests that there is literally nothing wrong with the defense caused by warping, which is much more meaningful a distinction and what we're all actually talking about. The post also didn't expound on the title by saying "okay, well there are a few issues, but..."

I mean this thread was started almost as a direct response to the other thread that finally presented clear video proof. "Nothing is wrong because I can get around the defender sometimes!" certainly seems a little denial-ish to me, or at least lacking in nuance in addressing the issue.

[BegBy]

Re: There is nothing wrong with the CPU on-ball defense. Here are some tips....

I'm a "hopefully it gets patched" guy. Not because I want to make mix tape moves all day, and not because I want to dominate. I just want more realistic looking and feeling basketball. The bumping is way overdone. They are fouls. There is absolutely no arguing that. Not unlike a lot of animations in the 2k series they are just overdone and happen too frequently. I'd like for there to be less sliding and warping on both sides of the ball and less contextually questionable/inappropriate animations.

I do feel the defense is a bit sticky, however I think that is in part due to animations that trigger. As a result, in my opinion, it detracts from the realism in both play, feel and visual appearance.

Not asking for cheese - asking for less cheese, in fact.

Huge props to guys like 24th for helping the community with good visual aides and proof. It's awesome that guys like him help and can actually have a discussion about a point of contention and not get personal or try to discredit other peoples' opinions. These forums could use more of that for sure.

[Smirkin Dirk]

Re: There is nothing wrong with the CPU on-ball defense. Here are some tips....

the reason you dont see blow bys in the nba all the time is because everyone starts their offense with a screen. so its no longer You vs me or me vs you. its me the offensive guy calling my teammate to pick you the defender off. now if by chance some average to below average defender gets stuck on an island vs teague(atl) or I.thomas its a wrap. they will blow by you. the only thing stopping it from happening everytime is that you call for help or your help defenders close to the paint/baseline slide over so the small guy cant make a clean layup.

but the actual BLOW by will still occur if there's no help on the behind the defender.

Here's the thing though. I never watch NBA systematically, but I watched a half yesterday and catalogued all of Cleveland's shot types. It's in the other thread. Kyrie and LeBron were playing.

I only noticed 3 shots that came as a result of penetration (blow bys) and none were the 'wiggle right stick' variety.

The game forces you to use post plays, drive and kicks, off ball screens, pin downs, hand offs.

[ProfessaPackMan]

Re: There is nothing wrong with the CPU on-ball defense. Here are some tips....

You said there is literally no one who claims that warping doesn't exist when the very thread of this title is a denial that warping exists in a manner that affects the defense.

To be fair the poster didn't say there's no warping at all, but suggests that there is literally nothing wrong with the defense caused by warping, which is much more meaningful a distinction and what we're all actually talking about. The post also didn't expound on the title by saying "okay, well there are a few issues, but..."

I mean this thread was started almost as a direct response to the other thread that finally presented clear video proof. "Nothing is wrong because I can get around the defender sometimes!" certainly seems a little denial-ish to me, or at least lacking in nuance in addressing the issue.

So we're basically having an "issue" over semantics then.

You'd probably be better off asking the OP exactly what he meant since I'm not gonna put words in his mouth trying to decipher what he said.

I've said my piece in here though so at this point I'm not even sure what people are exactly looking for.

[hanzsomehanz]

Re: There is nothing wrong with the CPU on-ball defense. Here are some tips....

Obviously there are not a lot of "blow-bys" in the NBA, but guys do beat their man off the dribble without blowing by them. That forces the defender to play catch-up, and usually leads to defensive rotation to help. The problem in the game is that the defender can slide back in front of the ball-handler, negating the need for the rotation. Even in the third clip in this thread, George slid back to body up Kobe and get a decent contest on the layup.

It wouldn't be as much of an issue if the ball-handler could keep their momentum, but when the CPU slides back into place, the game acts as if he was there the whole time. This often causes the offensive player to stop and step back, instead of being able to continue towards the basket.

Great point on help defense rotation - I saw a lot of double teams and help rotations on 15 but there is an overload of emphasis on on ball defense in 16.

There is a justice due here for user vs user games and for user vs cpu games - cpu defense should necessitate more off ball help defense when a blow by occurs. I see the help defense pulls from my side of the ball but not when the cpu is on defense.

The points made above do not at all take away from my enthusiasm for learning the new dribble mechanics - - I very much appreciate the complexity of the new system as it is very rewarding when you understand it and handle it appropriately.

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[ProfessaPackMan]

Re: There is nothing wrong with the CPU on-ball defense. Here are some tips....

So we're basically where this board typically is then... people talking past each other and knee-jerking to positions without deference to reason or context.

...Sure, why not.

[Smirkin Dirk]

Re: There is nothing wrong with the CPU on-ball defense. Here are some tips....

Another couple of things. Sometime the CPU wants you to try and drive. When I play with Deron Williams they hedge me hard to prevent the jumper. When I play with Barea the center drops back and opens up the J.

What I do sometimes is call an iso for my PG. Get right near mid court, call for a high pick, and get some momentum up when I attack. This helps.

Hell, you can even call for a pick in the backcourt if they are harrassing you.

[hanzsomehanz]

Re: There is nothing wrong with the CPU on-ball defense. Here are some tips....

Not tell me if I'm wrong, after you blew by the defender you had 2 guys defending the paint..so you auto hesitate and the defender got back on defense.

Good acknowledgment here: I will vouch that the defender's recovery should be a tad slower and he should be passing the ball handler to the two bigs who can further assist while he plays trail.

I understand the development team did not want it to be too easy to perform drive and kickbacks or assist in the paint due to it being too easy to bait an intense double team that continually breaks the integrity of the defense.

The key here is defensive integrity : how easy is it to break down the defense ? I will be content with the game still if the development team cannot afford to tune the recovery animations during this current cycle.

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[UnbelievablyRAW]

Re: There is nothing wrong with the CPU on-ball defense. Here are some tips....

The only consistent issue I have is my player hesitating after getting pass a guy, leading to the defender getting to recover. I have no idea what causes the slowdown, but it happens far to often

[BegBy]

Re: There is nothing wrong with the CPU on-ball defense. Here are some tips....

The only consistent issue I have is my player hesitating after getting pass a guy, leading to the defender getting to recover. I have no idea what causes the slowdown, but it happens far to often

There seems to be a slight hesitation animation when you are in and or around the time when you beat a guy where you slow down or hitch. This gives the defender time to get back into position (though it usually looks suspect) and there's some sort of contact animation.

[xCoachDx]

Re: There is nothing wrong with the CPU on-ball defense. Here are some tips....

Playing more this evening and focusing heavily on ISO'ing, I feel like there is more problem with the offensive animations than the morphing issue. Some of the crossovers are too slow and overdramatic. Also, they don't really protect the ball when they crossover so it's way out in front of them, resulting in these infamous bounces off the defenders feet. A few times, I feel like the offensive player has a mind of it's own if I try to string more than one move together. Earlier, I tried to hesitate, drive, and crossover. He drove, half spun, and took about 5 steps to the right before picking up his dribble. My left stick was pointed to the left the entire time. Lol

I feel a bit better about driving past the defense. But that was just issue one of about 20 that I've had with this game.