NBA 2K17 Defensive Settings Community Wiki

[Smirkin Dirk]

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This is the weirdest thing. Im in practise plays and none of the settings work. I set no hedge and they blitz the ball handler. I set double and my big stays attached to the screener.

[LorenzoDC]

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Breakdown from OG's stream

Defensive Team Packages

• Junk: Show 2-3 or 3-2 Zone initially (dependent on team), and switch to man after the first pass.
• Shrink The Floor: Off-Ball will gap, Go Under and Hard Hedge on screens
• Straight Up: Moderate On-Ball and Off-Ball across the board, Help will still come
• Stay Home: No Help
• Focus on Stars: High pressure on stars and doubling
• Switch Everything: Switch all screens

Defensive "Focus On" Packages

• Boxes and Elbows: A man to man concept (can look like a zone when ran) where the player it is selected for will have his man guarding him and the other 4 defenders on the two elbows and just outside the paint on either side of the rim. You are giving up shots to get the ball out of the selected player's hands.
• Give it Up: Smothering on Ball, Go Over on screens, Double on Ball Screens, Double on drive, No Double on catch

The Defensive Settings (in the Gameplan menu) will override everything else!

Tag on Roll
Used for heavy rim runners (Deandre, young Dwight). He explained that this is used on wing pick and rolls in combination with Icing the pick and roll. The tag man (weak side wing defender in his example) comes from the weak side onto the nail to impede the path of the roller. You are giving up a skip pass from the tag man's original assignment to stop the roll man.

Catch Hedge
This option is based off of the NBA concept called "Weak Up Top". The hedge man is responsible for preventing a straight line drive from the ball handler, while also being responsible for not letting the roll man get behind him. Help defense will not come when this is selected.

Suggests staying away from hard hedge if at all possible. It was made more extreme this year.

Help Settings
The Screen Help setting pertains to pick and rolls, while the Help Rules setting pertains to drives.

"Help and No Rotation" means the help the helper concept is not there.
"Auto" can be thought of as "Help and Rotation". Help the helper concept is there.
"No Help" means no help will come on the roll man.


Pre-rotate is confirmed to do what we have in the OP right now (bring an extra defender over when there is an iso on the wing). No news on if we can select the help man with the settings in any way.

If Shrink the Floor gives you hard hedges then it should basically never be used this year, since hard hedge is so screwed up.

I've been doing some Shrotriya no the Floor to try to slow down ppiintd in paint without success, and now I know why.

I guess I'll have to make some individual adjustments to get more paint help instead.

[clinthc0003]

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Seems like they made a mistake with the labeling of the screen help. If Help and No Rotation means the help concept isnt there, then why have No Help. Per definition they do the same thing. Seems like what we would want is for No Help to function like Help and No Rotation. Help and No Rotation should provide a little help and go back to your specific man without cause the defenders to rotate.

Correction***

Auto would be both Help on the Roll Man and and Help of the initial Helper.
Help and No Rotation would bring Help if that defender was like first responsible to the roll man, which should mostly be a big, but there could be examples like in 4 out 1 in where that could be your shooting guard as first responsible. To be used on like an above average shooter from 3 like Jimmy Butler.
No Help - Is exactly that. To be used on like Thompson or Reddick.

This is my understanding after listening to the interview.

Yeah, I'm also a little confused about it as well. I was just trying to type out what he said in the stream.

He says that the Screen Help settings are "for the roll man". When he says that, it makes me think that setting will only be in effect when that player is the screener in a Pick and Roll. For example, if I have the "No Help" setting selected for Curry then this setting will cause no one to help if Curry is ever the screener in a pick and roll and he runs to the rim (this is my understanding at least).

I asked a question at some point in the stream if Help and No Rotation is the setting we want to use for shooters. He said yes, but I'm not sure if he understood exactly what I was asking. It's hard to ask a detailed question in the twitch chat.

I wish we had a "Help Off Of" option.

[Smirkin Dirk]

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Xbox users what are you seeing?

Ive just been running practise plays for a couple of hours and the settings arent working. Been looking at them in demo mode aswell.

Doubling isnt working.

ICE isnt working. Dropping back (No hedge) isnt working. choosing to go over screens isnt working.My guard goes under the screen every single time unless I manually control him. Staying attached to the screener does seem to be working.

I have a feeling this is something to do with not getting the patch.

[clinthc0003]

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Will tag on roll work if I dont ICE the PNR.

From my understanding, the answer to that is yes. I believe Smirkin Dirk has a video in the OP showing the help coming when he is not running ICE on the PNR.

OG was just explaining the origins of the option and how actual NBA teams use it with the ICE example.

[willo1822]

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Yeah, I'm also a little confused about it as well. I was just trying to type out what he said in the stream.

He says that the Screen Help settings are "for the roll man". When he says that, it makes me think that setting will only be in effect when that player is the screener in a Pick and Roll. For example, if I have the "No Help" setting selected for Curry then this setting will cause no one to help if Curry is ever the screener in a pick and roll and he runs to the rim (this is my understanding at least).

I asked a question at some point in the stream if Help and No Rotation is the setting we want to use for shooters. He said yes, but I'm not sure if he understood exactly what I was asking. It's hard to ask a detailed question in the twitch chat.

I wish we had a "Help Off Of" option.

Auto - First available/closest off ball defender (defender #3) will come over to cut off the roll man. And if the 4th and 5th or other two defenders that are further away will help the helper (defender #).
Help No Rotation - The first available defender will come over (defender 3) probably in most cases a big and will provide help on the roll man, but the other two off ball defenders (the 4th and 5th defender) will not help the helper mean defender #3. But if they were put in position to be the first helper like defender #3 they would defend the roll man.

No Help - Means just than NO HELP. This is the setting to choose against like Reddick or Thompson.

All of this applies to PNR. Not 100% sure or I will it applied to Off Ball logic because I get killed on down screens. I am going to test it myself later.

[willo1822]

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Can some help me figure out the Hedge and Hedge Center? If I were defending the Warriors. I feel like Durant's settings should be Hard/Soft Hedge when he is the ballhander. I feel like the Center Hedge setting/logic should apply to him if he is the screener and if that is correct I'd choose stay attached so that my defender wouldn't help. Which I'd hope would overall the Hedge setting for Curry which I would like have set to Hard/Soft Hedge same on Zaza's Hedge center, which I believe means that if Curry and Zaza were in PNR that a hard hedge would occur. But if Durant came to set a PNR for Curry, Durant's man would Stay Attached.

I know Scott said don't do too much in the individual settings, but this is the ideal way to defend them.

I just feel like Hedge Center should apply to any player who is serving as the screener, not just the Center.

[clinthc0003]

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Xbox users what are you seeing?

Ive just been running practise plays for a couple of hours and the settings arent working. Been looking at them in demo mode aswell.

Doubling isnt working.

ICE isnt working. Dropping back (No hedge) isnt working. choosing to go over screens isnt working.My guard goes under the screen every single time unless I manually control him. Staying attached to the screener does seem to be working.

I have a feeling this is something to do with not getting the patch.

I'm on PS4 with all patches and updates installed, and I'm seeing the same thing. There are definitely inconsistencies with how the CPU follows these settings, especially on a user controlled team. If I tell them to switch, they only do it sometimes. If I tell them not to hedge, they still blitz the ball handler sometimes. I've had no luck with the Off-Ball screen settings working either.

I've been trying to use the Junk defense today, but I'm not seeing the zone bluff at the beginning of possessions at all.

I also started messing around with the ICE option on pick and rolls. It only seems to trigger on pick and rolls on the wing and it seems completely messed up. Instead of the ball handler's defender coming up top to deter using the screen and the hedge man dropping back to contain the drive, the exact opposite happens. The hedge man tries to come up top to force the ball handler to go away from the screen and the primary defender stays in place to contain the drive.

NBA 2K17 ICE Defense
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Actual NBA ICE Defense
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*See 1:01 with KD for a similar example to the screenshot

[LorenzoDC]

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I'm on PS4 with all patches and updates installed, and I'm seeing the same thing. There are definitely inconsistencies with how the CPU follows these settings, especially on a user controlled team. If I tell them to switch, they only do it sometimes. If I tell them not to hedge, they still blitz the ball handler sometimes. I've had no luck with the Off-Ball screen settings working either.

I've been trying to use the Junk defense today, but I'm not seeing the zone bluff at the beginning of possessions at all.

I also started messing around with the ICE option on pick and rolls. It only seems to trigger on pick and rolls on the wing and it seems completely messed up. Instead of the ball handler's defender coming up top to deter using the screen and the hedge man dropping back to contain the drive, the exact opposite happens. The hedge man tries to come up top to force the ball handler to go away from the screen and the primary defender stays in place to contain the drive.

NBA 2K17 ICE Defense
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Actual NBA ICE Defense
<iframe src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/csxCcRieEAs" allowfullscreen="" frameborder="0" height="315" width="560"></iframe>
*See 1:01 with KD for a similar example to the screenshot

I see a lot of the same on XB1, at least I've notices no hedge not working a good bit.

Scott is demonstrating stuff on his stream using auto with ACE on, but I think we need to study and show video of how turning ACE off and using your own settings is really working (or not working) right in game.

I'm not sure the implementation code of the settings done either during the time out coaching menu or especially manually in the pause screen is really tight and on point.

[clinthc0003]

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I see a lot of the same on XB1, at least I've notices no hedge not working a good bit.

Scott is demonstrating stuff on his stream using auto with ACE on, but I think we need to study and show video of how turning ACE off and using your own settings is really working (or not working) right in game.

I'm not sure the implementation code of the settings done either during the time out coaching menu or especially manually in the pause screen is really tight and on point.

Yeah I agree completely. The worst part about it is, I have no idea what the game wants me to run so there are always tons of defensive breakdowns.

[LorenzoDC]

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Yeah I agree completely. The worst part about it is, I have no idea what the game wants me to run so there are always tons of defensive breakdowns.

Yeah, that's a huge problem using ACE on. It's like we're acting as players on a team who have not been allowed to know what the coach wants them to do. It's impossible not to screw it all up in that scenario.

[clinthc0003]

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Yeah, that's a huge problem using ACE on. It's like we're acting as players on a team who have not been allowed to know what the coach wants them to do. It's impossible not to screw it all up in that scenario.

It would be cool if we had indicators when a pick is coming like we do on the offense (to select side, Roll/Fade). It could show what we are supposed to run with the primary defender and the hedge man, and maybe even give us the option to modify it like we can with the manual PNR on offense.

[LorenzoDC]

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On another point, both OG and Czar have basically said, indirectly, they were not allowed to do the blog explanations this year and that doing those amounted to "30 pages" last year and that was a lot of work. At the same time, they really want to get this understanding out to the community and feel frustrated that we're working in the dark out here trying to put the pieces together.

Books Nelson has pointed out, without all the 2k hate a lot of other people do, that 2k really has problems here on the communications side as they add depth to their game, and I agree.

I think we as a community can maybe come together and ask that 2k hire a real basketball intelligent person to focus on communications - not PR or marketing, but nuts and bolts game play community communications.

That person is the person who should be doing video tutorials, blogs, entering these forums to answer questions, and so on. 2k is in a position now where they have invested years of depth of programming into their game and their user base can't even make heads or tails out of it.

I mean, we're the crazy die hards on the margin reading and viewing everything they pout out and we can't even understand it all consistently.

This thread and the Freelance Offense Wiki thread I started all help, but they don't do much more for us as a community than help us come together to share information as we all grope around in the dark.

[alabamarob]

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Went to practice mode and tried out the defensive settings and found:

1. You set the individual defensive settings on the screen options based off of the BALL HANDLER' NOT THE ROLL MAN. So if you want to stay attached on a pnr with CP3 as the ballhandler and Blake as the screener you have to do the settings on CP3 for them to work. If you put different pnr defensive settings on CP3 and blake, you will see that the setting on CP3 will work if he is the ballhandler.

2. In practice mode the go over or go under option does not work consistently. Your guy will randomly go over or under.

3. The only hedge setting that worked for me was stay attached. If you set it to stay attached the screen defender will stay attached.

4. Everything other then stay attached will be a soft or hard hedge, with the big getting back to the defender.

5. I was unable to get no hedge, double or catch all to work in practiceplay mode.

[QNo]

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I think we as a community can maybe come together and ask that 2k hire a real basketball intelligent person to focus on communications - not PR or marketing, but nuts and bolts game play community communications.

That person is the person who should be doing video tutorials, blogs, entering these forums to answer questions, and so on. 2k is in a position now where they have invested years of depth of programming into their game and their user base can't even make heads or tails out of it.

In other words: 2k, please hire SamPham!