Kobe Bryant and Kevin Garnett Set to Join the Broadcast Booth in NBA 2K18 - Trailer

[Quentin32]

Omg!!!!!!!!

[Geolink]

Re: NBA 2K18 Trailer - Kobe & KG Join Commentary Booth

Did you watch the leaked vids? Those guys were missing WIDE open shots....this is a TRAILER showing of the game...of course you're going to see nothing but net.

Can't wait for the Twitter fan base to complain to 2K about missing wide open shots. We'll be back to last year patches in no time...

[The 24th Letter]

Re: NBA 2K18 Trailer - Kobe & KG Join Commentary Booth

I didn't say every shot was a make. I said they were all swishes. In past 2K, a HIGH % of made shots were swishes. I doubt this is a coincidence.

But like I said, it "could be" another year where there are way too many swishes/not enough rim interaction. "Could be".

Really?

I thought 2K17 saw a really big improvement in shot variation..

In fact, there was a thread on here named "bounce bounce swish" from the way the shots were falling....

I know green releases tend to be swishes but Im surprised to hear someone say this..

[strawberryshortcake]

Re: Kobe Bryant and Kevin Garnett Set to Join the Broadcast Booth in NBA 2K18 - Trail

Side Note: Someone told me once that because a certain clip is putting the "spotlight" on a certain item(s) that I shouldn't make too much of what's going on in the video. Since this video is about "new commentators," any comments about the video should have been on them and rather than gameplay, player awareness, player position, and anything else that has nothing to do with the commentary. Anyways, unfortunately, I'm going to disregard that person's suggestion because these look to be full plays from a broadcast standpoint. Better perspective.

Tell me that I'm wrong and that's fine. I'm not a basketball guru at all. I don't know much about plays and what goes where, but I'm just going by what I see on live TV compared to what I see with NBA2k18 footage.

But some concerns I have from the video.
(1) Player floor position awareness and the lack of "cheating" "anticipatory help" defense.
(2) Isolation plays
(3) Crossover dribble drives.


Click on spoiler tag to see gifs and examples of my concerns.

Spoiler

(1) Player floor position awareness and the lack of "cheating" "anticipatory help" defense. So my number concern has been the defenders simply playing too close to their man on the perimeter during certain sequences and but more importantly not really providing "cheating" or proper anticipatory "help" defense.

Example is the post game from the video:
Joel Embiid in the post. All defenders are simply focused on their man, especially the defenders at the top of the three. With the exception of the corner three defenders, the two defenders up top don't seem to care about providing help because they have their backs turned to the play with no head tracking.

Side tidbit, I would have like to have seen Hayward at least attempt to box out Ben Simmons as he made his way towards the paint. Hayward actually head tracked Simmons move to the inside but still didn't react much. In addition, #11 at the lower corner also didn't "cheat" or "help" of any kind to potentially disrupt Embiids' post game. Would have also like to have seen #13 provide at minimal some disruption as Embiid starting moving towards the center paint area.

Kevin Love is essentially in the post position guarded by Klay. Despite Klay being a very solid defender. The rest of the defenders are still at arms length of their man able to recover if needed but the important thing is that all the defenders are "cheating" with "help" defense ready to provide assistance if needed.

Again, maybe it's just me. But I would have like to have see more "space" between the offensive and defense. Would have liked to have seen the defenders been closer to the paint in case there's a driver. Maybe that's just me. At least the center motion backed towards the paint.

"Anticipatory help" or "cheating" defense clamping down the paint if needed.

The following is actually may favorite sequence in the video solely because of defensive positioning. I actually like the following a whole lot better because you see all five players keep an eye on the ball handler as well as keeping a more spacious distance between them and their man in case they need to clamp the paint to provide help defense. The defenders aren't "hugging" their assignment. Secondly, seeing the blow by and help defense meeting at the bucket is nice. My only minor gripe is #17 moving towards the baseline rather than close out on the driver.

(1) Isolation plays. I've never been too fond of how 2k positions off-ball defensive players' positioning so far away from the isolation play. It resembles a lot of 2k17. My idea of an isolation is that the player essentially is in a triple threat position with a live ball. He could drive the paint (1st option), drive hard but pull up for a jumper (2nd option), or take an outside shot (3rd option). That is how I always picture it. But the most important thing being that the isolation player is incredibly adept at all three, but even more skilled at driving the paint and is very likely his go to move.

Which is why I don't understand why the massive amount of space between the isolation and the rest of the defenders. I like that the center started to cheat towards Kyrie, but then the center completely backed off. While all the other wing defenders are playing tight on their man. Even if the outside shooters were solid 3 point shooters, shouldn't the first line of defense be stopping the isolation drive?

The following looks like an isolation play that is about to go down. Lebron eventually drives the paint and gets snuffed by the three defenders because the defenders were "cheating" with anticipatory "help" defense. Even though the play looks like an isolation setup (at least that's what it looks like to me), the defenders weren't playing tight on their assigned man. They probably recognized that Lebron's first move could very well have been to drive the paint rather than take an outside shot. The defenders were essentially still within recoverable distance to contest the outside shot.

(3) Crossover drives. Note, I personally don't use the crossover in 2k basketball much because I'm simply not that good at it on the sticks. I use player movement and ball movement to score. That's just how my mind is wired.

Even so, I never really liked how it requires the ball handler to move either to the left or right several feet sort of like going in circular arc motion, before actually able to cross and get pass the defender. I was hoping to see more "confined area/space/restricted" crossovers where the ball handler can remain directly in front of the defender and do a quick crossover to get by the defender without having to move laterally several/few feet before exploding laterally to drive.

Kyrie Irving had to move laterally 2-3 feet in order to crossover and drive. The following doesn't give me hope that the defenders are less sticky on drives nor that there will be more hip rides. And I've seen this multiples in 2k17 youtube videos. It's nothing really new.

Reggie Jackson does a more "confined area/space/restricted" crossover to get by his man without having to move laterally 2-3 feet. He just does it with the defender directly in front of him.

Concern #1


Concern #2


Concern #3

[Rockie_Fresh88]

Re: NBA 2K18 Trailer - Kobe & KG Join Commentary Booth

I thought 24 did when he first switched. Just got used to seeing him in 8 I guess.

Happens with most guys who change numbers when they're a big name. LeBron changing to 6 was sort of weird for a bit too.

We all eventually get used to it though.

It's funny because going back to watch old videos of Kobe wearing #8 looks weird to me . I basically watched every game of KB24.

[Jrocc23]

Re: NBA 2K18 Trailer - Kobe & KG Join Commentary Booth

I thought 24 did when he first switched. Just got used to seeing him in 8 I guess.



Happens with most guys who change numbers when they're a big name. LeBron changing to 6 was sort of weird for a bit too.



We all eventually get used to it though.

I was cool with Brons as well because he wore 6 in the Olympics multiple times and it just fit to me.

I just think the Celtics jersey and number 11 looks trash for Kyrie. #2, #10 or even #4 would've been fire. It's been multiple players that changed teams and numbers. So I didn't make my comment just because he changed numbers. But this jersey number convo has already gone on too long lol. It's not serious at all. I just wish he was able to get #2 if he wanted and the retired jersey number concept is silly to me.


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[ForeverVersatile]

Re: Kobe Bryant and Kevin Garnett Set to Join the Broadcast Booth in NBA 2K18 - Trail

Side Note: Someone told me once that because a certain clip is putting the "spotlight" on a certain item(s) that I shouldn't make too much of what's going on in the video. Since this video is about "new commentators," any comments about the video should have been on them and rather than gameplay, player awareness, player position, and anything else that has nothing to do with the commentary. Anyways, unfortunately, I'm going to disregard that person's suggestion because these look to be full plays from a broadcast standpoint. Better perspective.

Tell me that I'm wrong and that's fine. I'm not a basketball guru at all. I don't know much about plays and what goes where, but I'm just going by what I see on live TV compared to what I see with NBA2k18 footage.

But some concerns I have from the video.
(1) Player floor position awareness and the lack of "cheating" "anticipatory help" defense.
(2) Isolation plays
(3) Crossover dribble drives.


Click on spoiler tag to see gifs and examples of my concerns.

Spoiler

(1) Player floor position awareness and the lack of "cheating" "anticipatory help" defense. So my number concern has been the defenders simply playing too close to their man on the perimeter during certain sequences and but more importantly not really providing "cheating" or proper anticipatory "help" defense.

Example is the post game from the video:
Joel Embiid in the post. All defenders are simply focused on their man, especially the defenders at the top of the three. With the exception of the corner three defenders, the two defenders up top don't seem to care about providing help because they have their backs turned to the play with no head tracking.

Side tidbit, I would have like to have seen Hayward at least attempt to box out Ben Simmons as he made his way towards the paint. Hayward actually head tracked Simmons move to the inside but still didn't react much. In addition, #11 at the lower corner also didn't "cheat" or "help" of any kind to potentially disrupt Embiids' post game. Would have also like to have seen #13 provide at minimal some disruption as Embiid starting moving towards the center paint area.

Kevin Love is essentially in the post position guarded by Klay. Despite Klay being a very solid defender. The rest of the defenders are still at arms length of their man able to recover if needed but the important thing is that all the defenders are "cheating" with "help" defense ready to provide assistance if needed.

Again, maybe it's just me. But I would have like to have see more "space" between the offensive and defense. Would have liked to have seen the defenders been closer to the paint in case there's a driver. Maybe that's just me. At least the center motion backed towards the paint.

"Anticipatory help" or "cheating" defense clamping down the paint if needed.

The following is actually may favorite sequence in the video solely because of defensive positioning. I actually like the following a whole lot better because you see all five players keep an eye on the ball handler as well as keeping a more spacious distance between them and their man in case they need to clamp the paint to provide help defense. The defenders aren't "hugging" their assignment. Secondly, seeing the blow by and help defense meeting at the bucket is nice. My only minor gripe is #17 moving towards the baseline rather than close out on the driver.

(1) Isolation plays. I've never been too fond of how 2k positions off-ball defensive players' positioning so far away from the isolation play. It resembles a lot of 2k17. My idea of an isolation is that the player essentially is in a triple threat position with a live ball. He could drive the paint (1st option), drive hard but pull up for a jumper (2nd option), or take an outside shot (3rd option). That is how I always picture it. But the most important thing being that the isolation player is incredibly adept at all three, but even more skilled at driving the paint and is very likely his go to move.

Which is why I don't understand why the massive amount of space between the isolation and the rest of the defenders. I like that the center started to cheat towards Kyrie, but then the center completely backed off. While all the other wing defenders are playing tight on their man. Even if the outside shooters were solid 3 point shooters, shouldn't the first line of defense be stopping the isolation drive?

The following looks like an isolation play that is about to go down. Lebron eventually drives the paint and gets snuffed by the three defenders because the defenders were "cheating" with anticipatory "help" defense. Even though the play looks like an isolation setup (at least that's what it looks like to me), the defenders weren't playing tight on their assigned man. They probably recognized that Lebron's first move could very well have been to drive the paint rather than take an outside shot. The defenders were essentially still within recoverable distance to contest the outside shot.

(3) Crossover drives. Note, I personally don't use the crossover in 2k basketball much because I'm simply not that good at it on the sticks. I use player movement and ball movement to score. That's just how my mind is wired.

Even so, I never really liked how it requires the ball handler to move either to the left or right several feet sort of like going in circular arc motion, before actually able to cross and get pass the defender. I was hoping to see more "confined area/space/restricted" crossovers where the ball handler can remain directly in front of the defender and do a quick crossover to get by the defender without having to move laterally several/few feet before exploding laterally to drive.

Kyrie Irving had to move laterally 2-3 feet in order to crossover and drive. The following doesn't give me hope that the defenders are less sticky on drives nor that there will be more hip rides. And I've seen this multiples in 2k17 youtube videos. It's nothing really new.

Reggie Jackson does a more "confined area/space/restricted" crossover to get by his man without having to move laterally 2-3 feet. He just does it with the defender directly in front of him.

Concern #1


Concern #2


Concern #3

To your concern with the crossover in trailer, the way it was done isn't the only way to do a crossover. You can be stationary and chain a crossover from other dribbles. There's several different ways.

[strawberryshortcake]

Re: Kobe Bryant and Kevin Garnett Set to Join the Broadcast Booth in NBA 2K18 - Trail

To your concern with the crossover in trailer, the way it was done isn't the only way to do a crossover. You can be stationary and chain a crossover from other dribbles. There's several different ways.

Good to know. Are you able to get pass the defender with one explosive crossover confined, stationary move like what Reggie Jackson did without being bumped by the defender? Because I haven't seen that from any of the 2k17 videos.

EDIT: Crossovers are actually a minor concern, but the first and second (player awareness, floor awareness, situational awareness) are my main concerns that I don't see much if any improvement at all unfortunately.

[NewBreed1]

Re: NBA 2K18 Trailer - Kobe & KG Join Commentary Booth

Really?

I thought 2K17 saw a really big improvement in shot variation..

In fact, there was a thread on here named "bounce bounce swish" from the way the shots were falling....

I know green releases tend to be swishes but Im surprised to hear someone say this..

I think it improved on 2K16, but still needed more variation. Especially on layups/any banked shots (including layups). Like MWilliams said, 99% of those shots are backboard, then nothing but net.

I do like how they added longer rebounds last year. But again, I'd like to see a little more of that and some longer bounces off the back of the rim.

[Americas Team]

Re: Kobe Bryant and Kevin Garnett Set to Join the Broadcast Booth in NBA 2K18 - Trail

the net physics are so realistic.

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[The 24th Letter]

Re: NBA 2K18 Trailer - Kobe & KG Join Commentary Booth

I think it improved on 2K16, but still needed more variation. Especially on layups/any banked shots (including layups). Like MWilliams said, 99% of those shots are backboard, then nothing but net.

I do like how they added longer rebounds last year. But again, I'd like to see a little more of that and some longer bounces off the back of the rim.

I did a quick run through when we first started this conversation..only 2 swishes of all these..

https://streamable.com/gzour

I dont know man, I just like to give credit where its due and I think they improved here..

Now layups...I'm not sure about..

[melo627]

Re: Kobe Bryant and Kevin Garnett Set to Join the Broadcast Booth in NBA 2K18 - Trail

Did anybody notice Wiggins has his braids in the trailer? They listened to us with all the cosmetic changes but we still haven't seen the clippers jersey fixed.the only thing it looks like its missing is the ball hitting the rim more on shots like the other NBA game

[MarkWilliam]

Re: NBA 2K18 Trailer - Kobe & KG Join Commentary Booth

I think it improved on 2K16, but still needed more variation. Especially on layups/any banked shots (including layups). Like MWilliams said, 99% of those shots are backboard, then nothing but net.

I do like how they added longer rebounds last year. But again, I'd like to see a little more of that and some longer bounces off the back of the rim.

I thought 2K17 had good ball/rim physics on jump shots. I just wished there was more variation on the layups off the glass/bank shots.

[youvalss]

Re: NBA 2K18 Trailer - Kobe & KG Join Commentary Booth

Darn it...every time I see the "Guest Commentator" message on the screen, I think it's one of those youtube ads and I instinctively try to close it.

[juicey79]

Dang the Kobe on the  04 LAkers is bald.  Really wish  he was dark  full head of hair and goatee Kobe.