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  • JJRuelz
    Pro
    • Mar 2013
    • 686

    #331
    Re: New CAP system

    Originally posted by TGsoGood
    Outside of the art devs, I don't think anyone understands the amount of work that goes into creating a new CAP system, which is what appears 2K is trying to create. To me it appears that they started over and were going to implement more customization next year.

    If I recall correctly this is what they did with NBA 2K14 on PS4 and Xbox one. The difference this year being that users can't swap skintones. (Maybe I'm wrong, I'm on PC and 2K14 for us was old gen)

    Being a PC modder, I have taken a crack at editing the CAP 3D models in 2K13, 2K14,2K16, and 2K17. From what I can tell the the biggest reason 2K had to change their CAP system was due to the requests to use hair that the scanned models have. I will be looking into the CAP files next week when I get the game downloaded for PC and see if there is indeed any hope for 2K18 on the CAP front.
    didn't they have to restructure like 8000 cyberface files just to implement the custom bodytype feature?
    Recreate The NBA in NBA 2k18

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    • flexbrook0
      Banned
      • Sep 2017
      • 186

      #332
      Re: New CAP system

      Originally posted by TGsoGood
      Outside of the art devs, I don't think anyone understands the amount of work that goes into creating a new CAP system, which is what appears 2K is trying to create. To me it appears that they started over and were going to implement more customization next year.

      If I recall correctly this is what they did with NBA 2K14 on PS4 and Xbox one. The difference this year being that users can't swap skintones. (Maybe I'm wrong, I'm on PC and 2K14 for us was old gen)

      Being a PC modder, I have taken a crack at editing the CAP 3D models in 2K13, 2K14,2K16, and 2K17. From what I can tell the the biggest reason 2K had to change their CAP system was due to the requests to use hair that the scanned models have. I will be looking into the CAP files next week when I get the game downloaded for PC and see if there is indeed any hope for 2K18 on the CAP front.
      They should've taken a couple of years to work on it before forcing it on us. Now they gotta deal with this backlash.

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      • JJRuelz
        Pro
        • Mar 2013
        • 686

        #333
        Re: New CAP system

        Originally posted by flexbrook0
        They should've taken a couple of years to work on it before forcing it on us. Now they gotta deal with this backlash.
        than we'd be even more mad that there's no new tools
        Recreate The NBA in NBA 2k18

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        • flexbrook0
          Banned
          • Sep 2017
          • 186

          #334
          Re: New CAP system

          Originally posted by JJRuelz
          than we'd be even more mad that there's no new tools
          What new tools do we have now though? If anything, we have even less tools than before. I'd much rather use the old cap system >>> this new incomplete piece of crap

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          • kobebryant314
            Rookie
            • Aug 2015
            • 79

            #335
            Re: New CAP system

            Share this and tweet it to Ronnie and LD!! They need 2 watch this and change this trash CAP system! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Y60...re=youtu.be&a=

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            • CyberOps
              Rookie
              • Mar 2013
              • 485

              #336
              Re: New CAP system

              Originally posted by LD2k
              I'll be monitoring feedback on CAP specifics and handing it over to the producers.
              As already said we need the sculpting back or atleast some form of it, what we are gonna get now does nothing but use a couple preset values with which roster and draft class creators like myself cant do anything with to make an even close to life realistic looking player. The way it is now everyone is gonna look the same in your myleagues, i recommend the devs sim a couple years in myleague with generated draft classes and i bet they will end up with a full roster of duplicate faces.

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              • ludo95
                Rookie
                • Mar 2011
                • 57

                #337
                Re: New CAP system

                Originally posted by flexbrook0
                My Barkley would've NEVER came out this terrible in 2k17
                I prefer my version

                Just add some stubble and you're good!

                Originally posted by LD2k
                I'll be monitoring feedback on CAP specifics and handing it over to the producers.
                1. Please give us the ability to change skin tone for all presets.
                2. Some of the presets, especially the caucasian ones, have ridiculously wide jaws. If possible, tone it down so that we also can give narrow jaws to these presets.
                3. Please make the range wider for both the skull height and width. 3-head through 5-head
                4. I feel like the sliders are a bit arbitrary, in the sense that there's no logic in how the slider values correspond with, for instance the size of the chin and jaw. It would make more sense if a larger value resulted in a larger chin, mouth, brow etc. I understand that with this system, changes in slider values adjusts size in all three dimensions, but I would still like to see the sliders be more intuitive.

                Overall I think the new CAP system could still be an improvement. It's fundamentally a good idea with the presets, because it will result in larger variety. Last year every preset was based off the same template, so there was an issue with many players ending up resembling one another too much.

                From a CAP-makers perspective, it's now way easier to share my work as well, just copy the slider values! Sure, it still needs some tweaking, but when you factor in the new hairstyles and possibly more body types, I'm still optimistic about the situation.
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                • kobebryant314
                  Rookie
                  • Aug 2015
                  • 79

                  #338
                  Re: New CAP system

                  Originally posted by ludo95
                  I prefer my version

                  Just add some stubble and you're good!


                  1. Please give us the ability to change skin tone for all presets.
                  2. Some of the presets, especially the caucasian ones, have ridiculously wide jaws. If possible, tone it down so that we also can give narrow jaws to these presets.
                  3. Please make the range wider for both the skull height and width. 3-head through 5-head
                  4. I feel like the sliders are a bit arbitrary, in the sense that there's no logic in how the slider values correspond with, for instance the size of the chin and jaw. It would make more sense if a larger value resulted in a larger chin, mouth, brow etc. I understand that with this system, changes in slider values adjusts size in all three dimensions, but I would still like to see the sliders be more intuitive.

                  Overall I think the new CAP system could still be an improvement. It's fundamentally a good idea with the presets, because it will result in larger variety. Last year every preset was based off the same template, so there was an issue with many players ending up resembling one another too much.

                  From a CAP-makers perspective, it's now way easier to share my work as well, just copy the slider values! Sure, it still needs some tweaking, but when you factor in the new hairstyles and possibly more body types, I'm still optimistic about the situation.
                  Yeah I'm sorry I still consider it a downgrade. No way you're gonna be able to create accurate looking draft classes or Legends with this new CAP system

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                  • flexbrook0
                    Banned
                    • Sep 2017
                    • 186

                    #339
                    Re: New CAP system

                    Originally posted by ludo95
                    I prefer my version

                    Just add some stubble and you're good!
                    Lol nah, The side of the face is really bad too

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                    • flexbrook0
                      Banned
                      • Sep 2017
                      • 186

                      #340
                      Re: New CAP system

                      Originally posted by kobebryant314
                      Yeah I'm sorry I still consider it a downgrade. No way you're gonna be able to create accurate looking draft classes or Legends with this new CAP system
                      Yeah I'd much rather prefer them to patch in the old CAP System

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                      • FerdBrown
                        MVP
                        • Oct 2016
                        • 1200

                        #341
                        Re: New CAP system

                        Originally posted by The 24th Letter
                        So if I was to get this passed a long,... would the main concern be adding back facial sculpting?

                        (I know we have wishlist items like WWE 2k creation etc.)

                        but it that the main concern?

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                        Yes, sir! That's the main course.

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                        • Black Bruce Wayne
                          MVP
                          • Aug 2015
                          • 1459

                          #342
                          Re: New CAP system

                          Originally posted by TGsoGood
                          Outside of the art devs, I don't think anyone understands the amount of work that goes into creating a new CAP system, which is what appears 2K is trying to create. To me it appears that they started over and were going to implement more customization next year.

                          If I recall correctly this is what they did with NBA 2K14 on PS4 and Xbox one. The difference this year being that users can't swap skintones. (Maybe I'm wrong, I'm on PC and 2K14 for us was old gen)

                          Being a PC modder, I have taken a crack at editing the CAP 3D models in 2K13, 2K14,2K16, and 2K17. From what I can tell the the biggest reason 2K had to change their CAP system was due to the requests to use hair that the scanned models have. I will be looking into the CAP files next week when I get the game downloaded for PC and see if there is indeed any hope for 2K18 on the CAP front.
                          Most posters don't care about the amount of work that goes into any of the game, unfortunately

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                          • gu8lal8
                            Rookie
                            • Aug 2006
                            • 463

                            #343
                            Re: New CAP system



                            My biggest problem:
                            I see no options to edit signatures and hot zones, this is gonna be a killer for gameplay!
                            Is every CAP gonna have the same signatures?
                            Last edited by gu8lal8; 09-09-2017, 07:26 AM.
                            gu8lal8's COMPETITIVE sliders
                            PSN: GUMO73
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                            • ffaacc03
                              MVP
                              • Oct 2008
                              • 3485

                              #344
                              Re: New CAP system

                              Originally posted by The 24th Letter
                              So if I was to get this passed a long,... would the main concern be adding back facial sculpting?

                              (I know we have wishlist items like WWE 2k creation etc.)

                              but it that the main concern?

                              Sent from my SM-G955U using Tapatalk
                              I don't want to make it over complicated to increase the chances of making a patch notes but more than that is definitively needed and that is apart of what we want (wwe) ... then again, to make it possible and ''somewhat worthy'' feature, at least we need:

                              - Sculpting be reintegrated
                              - Be able to change skin tones for all presets
                              - To be able to choose one of the many body types available, or have sliders with even wider ranges to alter (length, width, depth) for arms, legs, torso, chest, waist, shoulders, heads, as well as positioning and size of facial features (jaws, foreheads, eyes, eyebrows, nose, mouth, ears ... tattoos would be a bonus)
                              Last edited by ffaacc03; 09-09-2017, 07:19 AM.

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                              • Sellaz32
                                MVP
                                • Dec 2010
                                • 2339

                                #345
                                Re: New CAP system

                                I think this is one of those features that had more impact than they were expecting. It's true that there aren't a ton of guys capable of making really good CAPs, but the amount of users who actually take advantage of their work is exponential. Now if their plan all along was to take a "one step back, 3 steps forward" approach next year, then be honest and transparent about it so we can go ahead and get over it. (Or as one poster said earlier, wait to start implementing when you have the whole system upgraded.)

                                I am hopeful they will be able to do SOMETHING to enhance what they've done so far. We know they are getting the message. We will just have to wait and see if we can get a fix or an explanation.


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