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  • xCoachDx
    MVP
    • Aug 2015
    • 1295

    #46
    Re: #SIMNATION Developer Feedback Project

    Originally posted by awg811
    I absolutely have played basketball and quite a bit of it.
    Have you?
    If you know anything about basketball you would know that it’s a non-contact sport. Meaning, you are not allowed to make contact with the opposing team or a foul will be called.
    In recent years they have changed the label from non-contact to limited contact, meaning some contact, such as bodying up someone in the post or crowding a ball handler, is allowed, but contact still draws fouls. Limited contact is allowed but excessive contact is a foul.
    So stop reading all you like, but just because you choose to not read doesn’t change the facts or the rules.


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    This sort of seemed contradictory as you said “non-contact” and then said “limited contact.” 🤷🏻*♂️ Kind of confused there.

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    • xCoachDx
      MVP
      • Aug 2015
      • 1295

      #47
      Re: #SIMNATION Developer Feedback Project

      The number one thing I want fixed is the AI’s ability/inability to defend the Pick and Roll. The middle PnR is defended too well as the CPU can give a hard hedge with no help on the roll man, and the Hedge man is able to defend both players as 2K can’t seem to program an overhead pass properly and the pass goes straight into the defense, despite the roll man being essentially wide open.

      On a PnR towards the baseline, the CPU just falls asleep and does nothing. Allowing a good shooter to pull up for an easy jump shot.

      That’s really all that has been an annoyance so far for me. CPU defense is way OP but can sort of be minimized with slider settings.

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      • jk31
        MVP
        • Sep 2014
        • 2659

        #48
        Re: #SIMNATION Developer Feedback Project

        Originally posted by awg811
        I absolutely have played basketball and quite a bit of it.
        Have you?
        If you know anything about basketball you would know that it’s a non-contact sport. Meaning, you are not allowed to make contact with the opposing team or a foul will be called.
        In recent years they have changed the label from non-contact to limited contact, meaning some contact, such as bodying up someone in the post or crowding a ball handler, is allowed, but contact still draws fouls. Limited contact is allowed but excessive contact is a foul.
        So stop reading all you like, but just because you choose to not read doesn’t change the facts or the rules.


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        Well, actually i do Play Basketball for nearly 14 years. and usually we Leave our League games with Lots of bruises, in some cases even with small injuries because of All the contact. even In the official rulebook of the german Basketball Association on the first Page it states, that Basketball is Not a contact-less Sport any more.

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        • Kushmir
          MVP
          • Jun 2003
          • 2414

          #49
          Re: #SIMNATION Developer Feedback Project

          Here again, I can't stress enough how the good timing = reward, bad timing = neutral outcome model has to be revised. Timing matters when we shoot, pass and even rebound. It has to matter on blocks and steals, gameplay has to stop rewarding spam. Noel bites on multiple pumpfakes here and should be whistled or be punished with terrible defensive position...but he stays in perfect defensive position and gets a block? He can't FAIL and then keep a textbook defensive stance. Users have to RISK something if they want the REWARD of a block or steal. They simply don't get to spam until their timing is good.

          <iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/Cw9PX_-7XOk" frameborder="0" allow="autoplay; encrypted-media" allowfullscreen></iframe>

          How the lack of emphasis on block timing effects shooters (quite possibly the biggest issue) is exposed in the last part of the clip above. George misses a steal but nope, he doesn't lunge out of the play...no sir then he races back to block Redick's shot and leaps before the shot is even attempted but nothing happens. Thats the worse kind of SPAM. Imagine a Madden game where you go for the big HIT STICK miss and then recover to make the tackle to prevent a TD.

          That's broken H2H balance. If gameplay doen't reward countering the other user there's really no reason to play.

          Block Timing has to matter: We need to see this CONSISTENTLY when guys mistime block attempts and jump before the ball is even released.

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          Last edited by Kushmir; 12-21-2018, 02:27 PM.
          NOTE: Any and ALL of my suggestions are specifically and only related to Play Now Online.

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          • awg811
            Pro
            • Jul 2009
            • 768

            #50
            Re: #SIMNATION Developer Feedback Project

            Originally posted by xCoachDx
            This sort of seemed contradictory as you said “non-contact” and then said “limited contact.” 🤷🏻*♂️ Kind of confused there.

            Answer (1 of 11): In terms of contact, sports are designated into 3 categories: 1. Full-Contact: These are sports that can’t feasibly be played or engaged in without contact on other participants. In other words the rules require you to make contact with others participating in the sport. Exampl...


            Not contradictory at all and if you read my post it was explained.



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            • Kushmir
              MVP
              • Jun 2003
              • 2414

              #51
              Re: #SIMNATION Developer Feedback Project

              Here's an example of the Risk/Reward we need to see...the user tries to go for a steal MISSES and lunges out of defensive position. This is too rare and its something we need to see this or a foul EVERY TIME users miss. There has to be a downside for FAILURE. The sad part is if he'd used R-stick steal he could have spammed endlessly.

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              Next up is really bad block timing from the user, and while this resulted in an easy score timing this bad has to have more negative outcomes...where's my opportunity for a 3pt play? Lebron gets beat backdoor and is literally at the apex of his leap but Cov has yet to shoot. Allow users to punish bad timing like this and we'll phase out the pogo-sticking...TRUST ME.

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              Last edited by Kushmir; 12-21-2018, 02:29 PM.
              NOTE: Any and ALL of my suggestions are specifically and only related to Play Now Online.

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              • taildog
                MVP
                • Jun 2008
                • 1161

                #52
                Re: #SIMNATION Developer Feedback Project

                For myGM/myLeague heads: If system Proficiency impacts ratings once a player is acquired, we shouldn’t have to guess if a player we want to trade for/drafting will fit the system we have activated. The system fit star rating that is in free agency should be available for trade menus and scouting menus.
                NBA 2K23 - OFFICIAL TRIANGLE SYSTEM THREAD

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                • TMagic
                  G.O.A.T.
                  • Apr 2007
                  • 7550

                  #53
                  Re: #SIMNATION Developer Feedback Project

                  Originally posted by Kushmir
                  Here's an example of the Risk/Reward we need to see...the user tries to go for a steal MISSES and lunges out of defensive position. This is too rare and its something we need to see EVERY TIME users miss. There has to be a downside for FAILURE. The sad part is if he'd used R-stick steal he could have spammed endlessly.

                  <iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/J9ffK3JeIgE" frameborder="0" allow="autoplay; encrypted-media" allowfullscreen></iframe>

                  Next up is really bad block timing from the user, and while this resulted in an easy score timing this bad has to have more negative outcomes...where's my opportunity for a 3pt play? Lebron gets beat backdoor and is literally at the apex of his leap but Cov has yet to shoot. Allow users to punish bad timing like this and we'll phase out the pogo-sticking...TRUST ME.

                  <iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/g49DkvWRZ4A" frameborder="0" allow="autoplay; encrypted-media" allowfullscreen></iframe>
                  You're hitting my biggest gripes with your posts mane. I agree with you 100.

                  It's funny because I think they had the bad timing/out if position fouls last year when they first released the game. But then it got patched out. Probably because of complaints.

                  I might be misremembering though. Lol

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                  • CaseIH
                    MVP
                    • Sep 2013
                    • 3945

                    #54
                    Re: #SIMNATION Developer Feedback Project

                    This probably has been mentioned, but Im not going thru every page to find out, aint got time right now, but after seeing how this last patch didnt fix the issue, I figure I better post the issue here as well.


                    Its very simple, fix the lack of freaking fouls in this game. The only fouls being called are reaches, and shooting fouls inside the paint.


                    Its very rare but occassionally you will see a loose ball, or over the back foul, but not enough, and I play full 12 minute qtrs only.


                    Its even rarer to see charges, and even blocking fouls, and while this game has always had some issue with the lack of charges, the lack of blocking fouls hasnt been a issue until 19.


                    Its also very rare to see a foul on a 3pt attempt. Now days in the NBA, you see fouls on 3pt attempts being called in basically every game. Its no longer a rare foul. This was broken last yr as well.


                    Its really basically lying to call this game a NBA simulation, when the game doesnt call any fouls except for reaches, or shots in the paint.



                    NBA2k19, has a lot to like, but this lack of fouls issue is ruining the game, to the point of if its not fixed, in 19, I will not be buying NBA2k20 day until I see everything that wrong with it, and if those issue get fixed.


                    been many of us offline MyLeague guys complaining about this issue, and yet its not fixed, after how many patches, 4 I think with this last patch dropping.
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                    • ataman5
                      MVP
                      • Jun 2007
                      • 2620

                      #55
                      Re: #SIMNATION Developer Feedback Project

                      Off to top of my head my important list would be as below.

                      + More risk reward factors on steal and block attempts. Blocking for a shooting especially there in shooting should be more foul outcomes if timed bad no matter early or late, foul period, you shouldn't be able to spam triangle to get a great contest with bad input timing.Now it's off of risk/reward. Same applies to stealing take a look at Live, if i press and miss timed there should be a clear risk/reward distrubution.

                      + Hands down mans down. It was great 2k19 at launch, you should have cover your ground get a good position to react and play to the poison, you can'T cover every inches all the time which you can atm after patch4 so, make it back and if possible make it better and improve over that,too.

                      + Rebounding battles has to play more organic, it's better than previous 2ks yet there is too much to improve upon.

                      + There has something happened to transition over the course of 2k19, i don't know what but it doesn't feel right as of now on both defensen/offense.

                      + Space the floor should be back or something similar to that.

                      + Let us set our freelance/series in coaching gameplan menus under MyLeague Off/Online

                      + This one is a big beast because i have so many experience that i've had over the last 4 years on this gen consoles which where we have to connect to servers all the time online/offline. The gameplay general is different and feels different on each server or different isps. Believe me most of the bugs or stuff you hear about especially gameplay from users(such as we heard slow hands up animation that's why now everything is lightly contested) are because of the servers or their isp. The gameplay Movements are Highly affected by these server/isp issues. I can confirm that different servers/isps makes you feel like you're playing a very very different game. This issue is bigger than 2k yet i know that there can be improvements on their side.

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                      • TMagic
                        G.O.A.T.
                        • Apr 2007
                        • 7550

                        #56
                        Re: #SIMNATION Developer Feedback Project

                        I'm actually surprised that charges haven't been properly incorporated into the game yet. I think making that a viable option defensively would add a welcomed element to the game both online and offline.

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                        • TheFinalEvent97
                          MVP
                          • Jul 2016
                          • 1519

                          #57
                          Re: #SIMNATION Developer Feedback Project

                          Originally posted by Kushmir
                          Here again, I can't stress enough how the good timing = reward, bad timing = neutral outcome model has to be revised. Timing matters when we shoot, pass and even rebound. It has to matter on blocks and steals, gameplay has to stop rewarding spam. Noel bites on multiple pumpfakes here and should be whistled or be punished with terrible defensive position...but he gots a block? He can't FAIL and then keep a textbook defensive stance. Users have to RISK something if they want the REWARD of a block or steal. They simply don't get to spam until their timing is good.

                          <iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/Cw9PX_-7XOk" frameborder="0" allow="autoplay; encrypted-media" allowfullscreen></iframe>

                          How the lack of emphasis on block timing effects shooters (quite possibly the biggest issue) is exposed in the last part of the clip above. George misses a steal but nope, he doesn't lunge out of the play...no sir then he races back to block Redick's shot and leaps before the shot is even attempted but nothing happens. Thats the worse kind of SPAM. Imagine a Madden game where you go for the big HIT STICK miss and then recover to make the tackle to prevent a TD.

                          That's broken H2H balance. If gameplay doen't reward countering the other user there's really no reason to play.

                          Block Timing has to matter: We need to see this CONSISTENTLY when guys mistime block attempts and jump before the ball is even released.

                          <iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/qMk9D_FZC_A" frameborder="0" allow="autoplay; encrypted-media" allowfullscreen></iframe>
                          I think I've got the winner for bad block timing being rewarded, in this clip i guessed he would shoot the corner 3, jumped at him and, well, look what happened.
                          <iframe width="640" height="360" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/p8EY_x7WVIU" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe>
                          There is no way this should ever happen.

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                          • JBCAROLINAKID
                            MVP
                            • Jun 2009
                            • 1039

                            #58
                            Re: #SIMNATION Developer Feedback Project

                            Fix the ACE system so teams will run thru there playbooks instead of running the Same couple plays over and over and isos.

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                            • gu8lal8
                              Rookie
                              • Aug 2006
                              • 463

                              #59
                              Re: #SIMNATION Developer Feedback Project

                              Originally posted by TMagic
                              I'm actually surprised that charges haven't been properly incorporated into the game yet. I think making that a viable option defensively would add a welcomed element to the game both online and offline.

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                              I have 1 charge called in all the games I played online (6 min qtr), offline (12 min qtr). I play minimum 2 games/day.
                              It was in an offline USER vs USER game, my CPU teammate Horford (Celtics) drew a charge on Westbrook.
                              When I try to take a charge myself, it's like matador defense, the defender seems to take a step to the side before he tries to take the charge.
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                              • Barncore
                                Formerly known as Barnsey
                                • Aug 2003
                                • 1337

                                #60
                                Re: #SIMNATION Developer Feedback Project

                                Don't know if i'm too late but i'd like to see more stat overlays and things show on the screen that express the storyline of the game.
                                I'd also like to see more replays during stoppages. The game is so beautiful and it's bizarre that there aren't more replays. I have it set to "Often" but i don't see it often at all.

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