Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

[Caelumfang]

Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

I did not say that at all.

Not even close.

I said 5 man squads (full) should be separated from solo players in matchmaking.

All others squads are fine in my book.

You are either confusing me with someone else or you are making stuff up or you are “ special “ .

So which of the 3 options is it?



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I don’t care what number you put with it, that’s separating squads from ‘solo.’ And it does no good when a squad can manipulate the system (just like with the combine) and get in as a squad ANYWAY. And also, you’re forcing a 5-man squad who isn’t equipped to play against more hardcore teams for one reason or another to jump into an inferno even if they don’t want to. If they want to face randoms, let them.

It’s unranked, so it shouldn’t matter.

HOWEVER, it would make more sense if you had RANKED solo as well. Then what you are saying would be more viable. But because Rec is unranked, it’s pretty much the equivalent of “Free-for-All.” So you should be going in expecting just about anything.

[tru11]

Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

I don’t care what number you put with it, that’s separating squads from ‘solo.’ And it does no good when a squad can manipulate the system (just like with the combine) and get in as a squad ANYWAY. And also, you’re forcing a 5-man squad who isn’t equipped to play against more hardcore teams for one reason or another to jump into an inferno even if they don’t want to. If they want to face randoms, let them.

It’s unranked, so it shouldn’t matter.

HOWEVER, it would make more sense if you had RANKED solo as well. Then what you are saying would be more viable. But because Rec is unranked, it’s pretty much the equivalent of “Free-for-All.” So you should be going in expecting just about anything.

You should care as it not the same as what you claim.

Combine and JRC matchmaking are different.

Solo players are even less equipped and are forced to play full squads.

You tell them to man up.

How about you tell those 5 man squads the same?





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[ksuttonjr76]

Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

OMFG! Point blank, a squad has an advantage over a group of randoms. You keep stating that you don't want to deal with randoms, but the irony of this entire conversation is that the people that want solo matchmaking are willing to deal with randoms as teammates versus playing against squads trying to get easy wins. You mentioned COD. They do have a matchmaking where no parties are allowed, and that's basically what some people are looking for in the REC. I know in COD that if I go against a clan, my team is going to get merked unless I luck up and get an exceptionally good player on my team. Even then...we will probably still lose.

And why is it that if people want change to the matchmaking, we supposedly suck???? I know that I'm a solid player weather I'm using my PG or C. Like IRL playground/indoor games, sometimes you can have winning streaks, and sometimes you lose. That's very nature of pick up basketball. Like IRL, you'll have teammates that suck, and sometimes you'll have teammates that play some type of high level basketball. In IRL, if we lose, we ****ing lose. I don't start calling my teammates bums and garbage. It is what it is.

And before you even mention it...yes, people do come to the park or indoor courts with "squads". You know what makes those experiences different than from a video game? IRL, those "squads" are just a bunch of friends who are average players. Out of all the games that I played IRL since the 90's, I only played one squad that was "way above the competition" and that was when the Purdue basketball team showed up. In a videogames..most squads are the tryhards of the game who were handpicked then take the time to learn the exploits of the game. Squads and clans grow, because it's basically good players picking up other good players. It's NOT just 5 people from OS forums who get along.

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[ksuttonjr76]

Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

That's a lie, and you know it. You and I both know it's going to attract more hardcore squads. So, if that's the case, if I want to take a more relaxed approach to the game for the day for whatever reason, why the **** would I go to a mode where I am going to have to be ON EDGE more often than not? That literally makes 0 sense. Being on edge is literally the opposite of relaxing.


That is EXACTLY what the Rec is for.

You can still play a relaxed game. Just know that you're probably going to take an L, or was you wanting to play a relaxed game while not worrying about losing at the same time?

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[Caelumfang]

Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

You should care as it not the same as what you claim.

Combine and JRC matchmaking are different.

Solo players are even less equipped and are forced to play full squads.

You tell them to man up.

How about you tell those 5 man squads the same?





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Because they're not crying about it as much as you.


Let me go ahead and put this another way:


Let's say this is Call of Duty. You jump on one day, and your boys hit you up and say they wanna run unranked Team Deathmatch (Rec). Let's just say that everyone is drunk that night, but you say "Aight let's do it." You make the squad and invite the other 5, and y'all jump into a TDM (Rec) lobby. In doing so, you all know that some of the matches are going to be come-ups (randoms), but you still have the equal possibility of running into a 6-man clan (squad/Pro-Am team). It is what it is, though. Yeah, you might run into a ranked clan (5-man squad/Pro-Am team) that's BSing around in unranked (Rec) and taking it much more seriously than they should be, but it is what it is, because you're not going to run into it game after game.


Now, let's say one day you decide to run with a casual group of friends again (like an every Saturday night thing, or whatever else reason you want to use). All of a sudden, however, Activision (2k) decides to patch something in. You all try to get into a game, but you get a message saying that full parties (5-man squad) can only participate in ranked TDM (Pro-Am), or an unranked TDM (secondary Rec) that can only be played with full squads. You'd be pissed because you all were jumping on for a bit just to have some casual fun, and not run game after game after game of clans doing the same two things: 1.) Camp their own area (5-out or 3-out P&R with the PG dribbling back and forth behind screens every single possession while everyone stands around like cones), or 2.) Camp spawnpoints (zone defense). You all aren't in the mood for the BS, because if you were and wanted to play more seriously, you'd be in those modes already. So at that point, y'all just say "**** it", shut it down and go play another game altogether. Can't ever jump back on CoD (2k) casually, because you're now being FORCED to go up against the same two categories of sweats over and over again, who want to win at every known cost.

That is exactly what you're asking for by wanting to force 5-man squads into more hardcore modes, even if they aren't in the mood for it. Every 5-man squad and scenario aren't the same, so who are you to tell them what modes they should be playing?

[Caelumfang]

Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

You can still play a relaxed game. Just know that you're probably going to take an L, or was you wanting to play a relaxed game while not worrying about losing at the same time?

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If we take an L, we take an L. But you may not feel like being on edge for hours or games at a time. That’s what I mean by ‘relaxed.’ If you’re constantly against squad after squad, you have to play with a level of edge and focus that can be stressful as hell.

I know, for me, my patience level drops to 0 in competitive games. Short fuse, and I’m prone to snap on people. I don’t like playing like that sometimes, and I know others don’t either. In more relaxed games, if we win or lose, I can just chill and not really care what’s going on.

[ksuttonjr76]

Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

Well, I'll be damned. I just got finished playing a squad.I'll be uploading videos shortly which will show why they should have their own matchmaking lobby. They played mostly zone, and unfortunately I discovered that my center matchup actually had 3PT range after I gave up two uncontested shots. His team "hid" him up until that point.

Me and the other dude played until the end.

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[Caelumfang]

Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

My whole point is that you can add options without taking away other options. I’m never an advocate for taking away options out of a game, unless they’re absolutely gamebreaking. You can argue and debate semantics all day, but never take options OUT of a game. That is, and will ALWAYS BE, my stance in this argument. No addition by means of subtraction. If you want to ADD solo Rec, fine. But not at the expense of TAKING AWAY another option.

[tru11]

Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

Because they're not crying about it as much as you.


Let me go ahead and put this another way:


Let's say this is Call of Duty. You jump on one day, and your boys hit you up and say they wanna run unranked Team Deathmatch (Rec). Let's just say that everyone is drunk that night, but you say "Aight let's do it." You make the squad and invite the other 5, and y'all jump into a TDM (Rec) lobby. In doing so, you all know that some of the matches are going to be come-ups (randoms), but you still have the equal possibility of running into a 6-man clan (squad/Pro-Am team). It is what it is, though. Yeah, you might run into a ranked clan (5-man squad/Pro-Am team) that's BSing around in unranked (Rec) and taking it much more seriously than they should be, but it is what it is, because you're not going to run into it game after game.


Now, let's say one day you decide to run with a casual group of friends again (like an every Saturday night thing, or whatever else reason you want to use). All of a sudden, however, Activision (2k) decides to patch something in. You all try to get into a game, but you get a message saying that full parties (5-man squad) can only participate in ranked TDM (Pro-Am), or an unranked TDM (secondary Rec) that can only be played with full squads. You'd be pissed because you all were jumping on for a bit just to have some casual fun, and not run game after game after game of clans doing the same two things: 1.) Camp their own area (5-out or 3-out P&R with the PG dribbling back and forth behind screens every single possession while everyone stands around like cones), or 2.) Camp spawnpoints (zone defense). You all aren't in the mood for the BS, because if you were and wanted to play more seriously, you'd be in those modes already. So at that point, y'all just say "**** it", shut it down and go play another game altogether. Can't ever jump back on CoD (2k) casually, because you're now being FORCED to go up against the same two categories of sweats over and over again, who want to win at every known cost.

That is exactly what you're asking for by wanting to force 5-man squads into more hardcore modes, even if they aren't in the mood for it. Every 5-man squad and scenario aren't the same, so who are you to tell them what modes they should be playing?

Are you really mentally challenged?

Im not talking about different modes.

Im talking about different match making.

Stop making stuff up dude.

Also ive been playing cod online since 2007.

They have offered squad free modes since day 1.

I can choose if i want to play with or against squads.

Current matchmaking even puts you with people off similar skill level.

So even if i do play a mode with squads, it will not put me in a lobby with try hards unless me im off similar skill.

You have no clue what you are talking about.
Using COD only makes you more wrong then you already are which is why you are making up stuff.

They have much better matchmaking then 2K.

Then again they have been using it much longer.

Solo players should have the option to play against full squads or not.

Who are you to tell them they should not have that?

There are much more solo players then that there are full squads.

Heck a lot of squads started as solo players....


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[Caelumfang]

Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

Are you really mentally challenged?

Im not talking about different modes.

Im talking about different match making.

Stop making stuff up dude.

Also ive been playing cod online since 2007.

They have offered squad free modes since day 1.

I can choose if i want to play with or against squads.

Current matchmaking even puts you with people off similar skill level.

So even if i do play a mode with squads, it will not put me in a lobby with try hards unless me im off similar skill.

You have no clue what you are talking about.
Using COD only makes you more wrong then you already are which is why you are making up stuff.

They have much better matchmaking then 2K.

Then again they have been using it much longer.

Solo players should have the option to play against full squads or not.

Who are you to tell them they should not have that?

There are much more solo players then that there are full squads.

Heck a lot of squads started as solo players....


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"Separate full squads not all squads"
"You can do that against other full squads. So splitting full squads from solo would not affect you whatsoever."
"Btw i said full squads. That means squads of 5 players. Not 2 not 3 not 4 but 5. 5 players in a squad and not 1 less."
"I said 5 man squads (full) should be separated from solo players in matchmaking."

So this isn't you advocating for 5-man squads to be unable to go against randoms in the Rec? I.e, TAKING AWAY options? If that's not what you meant, then my apologies, but that is definitely the way it's coming off.


I don't care if a solo Rec is added, that's fine. But not by TAKING AWAY from another option. If a 5-man team wants to go into the Rec and crack the heads of random amateurs, they should have the OPTION to do so.

Just like YOU don't want to be forced to go against full squads if you don't want to, I (as a collective) shouldn't be forced to go against full squads if I don't want to just because there's 5 of us in a group.

[howardphillips214]

Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

Remember the 2k Combine? Those were all single man queues. I didn't care so much for the character selection, the fact your players were essentially "Stock" players. If you could use your REAL MyPlayers that mode would have been crazy fun. There probably still would be quitters, which i hate playing with and against AIs. But it was still a cool idea they could just recycle and monotize the **** out of.

As far as the 5v5 squad only mode, like i said... You could have that feature in the Locker Room at the main menu like All-Star Team Up. That mode you can also start with less than 5 players, but maybe it's 5 v 5 Crew or something. In Rucker Park or on the Blacktop. They have the 3 v 3 Pro-Am, why not 5 v 5 Blacktop?

But the idea that THE REC SHOULD STAY THE SAME FOREVERRRRR YOU DON'T LIKE IT YOU SUCCCCKKKK type of mentality is pointless.

This is a forum, it's supposed to be about proposing new ideas and giving feedback.

If they use the same neighborhood a 3rd year in a row that's just stupid. If they have us in the same gym with 3 courts going with AIs using processing and bandwidth for no reason that's dumb.

If they can't improve the matchmaking algorithm IN ANY WAY that's counterproductive. Why is this such a hard concept?

The Devs don't even post here anymore because we're always quibbling about them changing things all the time. Some people like change, others don't. Some EXPECT change and get upset when it doesn't happen. We're all different people with different ideas of how we want OUR 2k to play. Matter of fact we have certain criteria for how we wish OTHERS should play.

Some randoms WANT to shoot 50 shots in a Rec game and see if they can make half. Who are you to tell them what to do?

I have my own opinions as well. I'll tell people what to do on the Mic, whether he's my friend or not. When others play nice we all have fun.

The fact that this has become a conversation of who's preference or opinion is best is crazy.

My first post was about CHANGING the match making. But some people want it to stay the same. They changed it, some people want it back the way it was.

More options and features shouldn't be a detriment to the game.

[tru11]

Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

"Separate full squads not all squads"
"You can do that against other full squads. So splitting full squads from solo would not affect you whatsoever."
"Btw i said full squads. That means squads of 5 players. Not 2 not 3 not 4 but 5. 5 players in a squad and not 1 less."
"I said 5 man squads (full) should be separated from solo players in matchmaking."

So this isn't you advocating for 5-man squads to be unable to go against randoms in the Rec? I.e, TAKING AWAY options? If that's not what you meant, then my apologies, but that is definitely the way it's coming off.


I don't care if a solo Rec is added, that's fine. But not by TAKING AWAY from another option. If a 5-man team wants to go into the Rec and crack the heads of random amateurs, they should have the OPTION to do so.

Just like YOU don't want to be forced to go against full squads if you don't want to, I (as a collective) shouldn't be forced to go against full squads if I don't want to just because there's 5 of us in a group.

Its something to be add.
Not to be taken away.

Solo players should get the option to be matched with full squads or not.

If they choose not to be matched then full squads will not run into them.

If they choose to then it will be like it is right now and you might get your free wins after all.

Cause that is what it all about in the end.

A full squad has the advantages over a bunch of solo players.

Which is why you want to group up yet only want to play against solo players.
Once you play another group you aint guaranteed an easy win.

Its why you keep saying you dont care but you actually do a lot .....





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[Iasounis]

Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

[B] If a 5-man team wants to go into the Rec and crack the heads of random amateurs, they should have the OPTION to do so.

What!!??

If you want that as an option, go play MyCareer.

This dude on some, 'If I need the ego boost of beating up on disadvantaged (human) 'competition', 2k should hand over some scrubs for execution,' sh@t.

Options should be available, but not at another players peril. (Peril, not dislike)

Wow... Just wow....

[kdurantmvp]

Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

Once again, how about instead of blocking 5 stacks from going into the rec or making it solo only.... You incentivize the pro am mode until the point where it's pointless to even go into the rec. Yeah sure, you still might have that one team thats in there to cheese randoms but those games will be rare. But 2k shouldn't cater anything to solo players. Don't like it? Go play another game.. You cannot expect to be successful playing solo in a team based game. And then the way some of you guys have attitudes toward making friends, having communication with others just tells me everything I need to know about what type of player you are (language barrier folks is excluded).


What's hilarious is 2k probably has the stats of what type of squads enter the rec and it'll probably shock you guys how many 5 stacks really be in the rec.


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[Kleinevos]

Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

Once again, how about instead of blocking 5 stacks from going into the rec or making it solo only.....


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Nobody is saying 5stacks are to be barred from the rec. Do you know how to read?

You can still go into the rec. The only thing that changes, is that you wont be put in the same queue as solo players.

Go in as a stack and face a stack.

Basically its unranked pro-am.


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