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  • kdurantmvp
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    • Mar 2012
    • 527

    #451
    Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

    Originally posted by ksuttonjr76
    They don't, but it's not LeBron showing up with Wade, Melo, Bosh, or Chris Paul either.

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    And even if it was them four showing up, no one is going to cry and complain. Playing against 4 of the greatest would be fun as hell.


    But a better example would be if 4 random nba players are playing in a gym and them 4 come in the building and call next game. Those other nba players are not going to complain about them being a squad. And damn sure not going to cry if lebron and them play a zone. They'll eat that zone up


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    • ksuttonjr76
      All Star
      • Nov 2004
      • 8662

      #452
      Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

      Originally posted by kdurantmvp
      And even if it was them four showing up, no one is going to cry and complain. Playing against 4 of the greatest would be fun as hell.


      But a better example would be if 4 random nba players are playing in a gym and them 4 come in the building and call next game. Those other nba players are not going to complain about them being a squad. And damn sure not going to cry if lebron and them play a zone. They'll eat that zone up


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      I see...you would be starstruck. How you would feel if you wanted to play some basketball at the local park, and those same NBA level players just made it a "culture" to come to your park every now and then to get jollies off and free wins ? At some point, you're going to be like "Shouldn't you all be playing people at your level?????".

      You're dense as hell, huh? That's still 4 "NBA" random players versus another 4 "NBA" players who are kinda random themselves. The example you're looking for is 5 random bench warmers from different teams are playing together, and then the starting 5 for the Lakers show up to play.

      You're trying too hard to give the impression that a 5-player squad that play together consistently is on the SAME level of talent and chemistry as 5 random dudes playing together for the first time. Stop...you're making yourself look like a fool.
      Last edited by ksuttonjr76; 05-11-2020, 10:31 AM.

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      • kdurantmvp
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        • Mar 2012
        • 527

        #453
        Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

        Originally posted by ksuttonjr76
        You're dense as hell, huh? That's still 4 "NBA" random players versus another 4 "NBA" players who are kinda random themselves. The example you're looking for is 5 random bench warmers from different teams are playing together, and then the starting 5 for the Lakers show up to play.

        You're trying too hard to give the impression that a 5-player squad that play together consistently is on the SAME level of talent and chemistry as 5 random dudes playing together for the first time. Stop...you're making yourself look like a fool.

        Are we all not nba players in this game? Logic still apply.. And even with it was 5 bench warmers, they still not going to cry like a baby because they came in together.


        And I never said it would be the same level of talent. That's the point of basketball. One team will be better than the other team. Not everything is created to be equal especially in a competitive basketball game. And I don't want to hear nothing about how rec isn't supposed to be competitive. It's two teams facing each other. It's competitive.


        My whole point is these squads aren't doing anything you cannot do to increase your chance of winning. Stop crying that teams are coming and playing as a team and you want to be stubborn and not try to make friends on this game and have folks to play with.


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        • tru11
          MVP
          • Aug 2010
          • 1816

          #454
          Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

          Originally posted by kdurantmvp
          And even if it was them four showing up, no one is going to cry and complain. Playing against 4 of the greatest would be fun as hell.


          But a better example would be if 4 random nba players are playing in a gym and them 4 come in the building and call next game. Those other nba players are not going to complain about them being a squad. And damn sure not going to cry if lebron and them play a zone. They'll eat that zone up


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          How often have you seen nba players go to the local rec and run their playbook against the locals?

          Its fun if they come in once in a while and just shoot some hoops.

          It wont be fun if they come in everyday and run the playbook to beat on locals when they themselves cant get a win trying the same stuff in their nba games......

          Ps remember lebron talking about activating play off mode and then proceed on losing and missing the play offs.
          If during that stretch he went into the local gym with his team and started running plays and bragging about beating them, i can assure he would have been run out of town and would have destroyed his entire legacy with that nonesense.

          Complaining would have been the least of his worries....



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          • ksuttonjr76
            All Star
            • Nov 2004
            • 8662

            #455
            Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

            Originally posted by kdurantmvp
            Are we all not nba players in this game? Logic still apply.. And even with it was 5 bench warmers, they still not going to cry like a baby because they came in together.


            And I never said it would be the same level of talent. That's the point of basketball. One team will be better than the other team. Not everything is created to be equal especially in a competitive basketball game. And I don't want to hear nothing about how rec isn't supposed to be competitive. It's two teams facing each other. It's competitive.


            My whole point is these squads aren't doing anything you cannot do to increase your chance of winning. Stop crying that teams are coming and playing as a team and you want to be stubborn and not try to make friends on this game and have folks to play with.


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            No...they can go play other squads on the same "level" as them. It's really simple. If you play solo, then you should be able to play other solo players. If you play "squads", then should play other "squads". You're squad is good enough, then you'll be alright. If not...I don't think sucky squads should be "allowed" to "beat-up" on random squads to just stroke their egos. If you can't win with your "squad of friends", then it's on YOU to get better players on your squad. It shouldn't be on me to get a squad when I don't want to. You being unable to choose good players for your squad is not my problem.

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            • Caelumfang
              MVP
              • Oct 2012
              • 1218

              #456
              Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

              Originally posted by tru11
              Its something to be add.
              Not to be taken away.

              Solo players should get the option to be matched with full squads or not.

              If they choose not to be matched then full squads will not run into them.

              If they choose to then it will be like it is right now and you might get your free wins after all.

              Cause that is what it all about in the end.

              A full squad has the advantages over a bunch of solo players.

              Which is why you want to group up yet only want to play against solo players.
              Once you play another group you aint guaranteed an easy win.

              Its why you keep saying you dont care but you actually do a lot .....





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              Dude, understand this. Not once did I say ‘don’t add solo Rec.’. I’m simply saying add it if you want, but don’t take away options. Been gaming for a better part of 30 years. And I hate when companies take options out of games. So if I seem passionate about it, that’s why.

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              • Kleinevos
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                • Nov 2017
                • 599

                #457
                Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

                Originally posted by Caelumfang
                Dude, understand this. Not once did I say ‘don’t add solo Rec.’. I’m simply saying add it if you want, but don’t take away options. Been gaming for a better part of 30 years. And I hate when companies take options out of games. So if I seem passionate about it, that’s why.

                Maybe you should have spent those 30 years on reading courses.


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                • Caelumfang
                  MVP
                  • Oct 2012
                  • 1218

                  #458
                  Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

                  Originally posted by ksuttonjr76
                  Smh...you're playing solo with OTHER solo players. That's basically the foundation of multiplayer games across ALL genres. Basketball is one of those games that's doesn't require "in-depth" communication like you would find in Rainbow 6.

                  As for the friends comment....I have zero DESIRE to have conversations with people online. I don't want to sit there while people are playing their damn music in the background, telling bad jokes, screaming at the top of their lungs, or whatever. I want to play my game in peace without the nonsense that comes with anonymous players thinking they can say or do whatever they want because it's the internet.

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                  And that’s where you’re missing the essence of ‘solo’ Rec: Communication. Yeah, some are gonna be hardheaded, but a lot of people are actually receptive, depending on how you come at them. A lot of times I’d jump into game chat and say “Yo, what’s going on here? We trying to win, or what?” And a lot of times that’ll bring someone else on the mic, and without being an ***, let them know that we need to clean up what we’re doing in order to win. And a lot of times it works.
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                  • Caelumfang
                    MVP
                    • Oct 2012
                    • 1218

                    #459
                    Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

                    Originally posted by Kleinevos
                    Maybe you should have spent those 30 years on reading courses.


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                    I believe I was talking to Tru with that post, not you. I’ll address you when it’s time, Mr. ‘Reading Courses.’

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                    • ksuttonjr76
                      All Star
                      • Nov 2004
                      • 8662

                      #460
                      Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

                      Originally posted by Caelumfang
                      And that’s where you’re missing the essence of ‘solo’ Rec: Communication. Yeah, some are gonna be hardheaded, but a lot of people are actually receptive, depending on how you come at them. A lot of times I’d jump into game chat and say “Yo, what’s going on here? We trying to win, or what?” And a lot of times that’ll bring someone else on the mic, and without being an ***, let them know that we need to clean up what we’re doing in order to win. And a lot of times it works.
                      If I got to jump on the mic and ask people if they're trying to win, then there's a bigger issue that needs to be addressed....

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                      • tru11
                        MVP
                        • Aug 2010
                        • 1816

                        #461
                        Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

                        Originally posted by Caelumfang
                        Dude, understand this. Not once did I say ‘don’t add solo Rec.’. I’m simply saying add it if you want, but don’t take away options. Been gaming for a better part of 30 years. And I hate when companies take options out of games. So if I seem passionate about it, that’s why.

                        Cant remember anyone talking about taking away options.

                        I know it wasent me that is for sure.



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                        • Caelumfang
                          MVP
                          • Oct 2012
                          • 1218

                          #462
                          Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

                          Originally posted by ksuttonjr76
                          If I got to jump on the mic and ask people if they're trying to win, then there's a bigger issue that needs to be addressed....
                          Right there is why I hate having to run with randoms, because in a lot of cases, you do need to correct them. And I’m fine with the ones that get it, but it’s the ones that choose to argue back that irritate me. 3 controllers later....you know how that goes.

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                          • Caelumfang
                            MVP
                            • Oct 2012
                            • 1218

                            #463
                            Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

                            Originally posted by tru11
                            Cant remember anyone talking about taking away options.

                            I know it wasent me that is for sure.



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                            Again, like I told you, those posts of yours I quoted came off as if you wanted to completely eliminate 5-man squads from going into the Rec. That is where I had my issue. If I did a bad job in conveying that, my apologies. But that’s why I was going in about it, because I don’t want to see options eliminated from the game.

                            I have no problem with a version that doesn’t allow teams, but let’s not eliminate options because, again, there could be an untold number of reasons why some will team up in Rec. And it’s not always about ‘easy dubs.’ Some just might not want the stress of some of the overbearing games of Team Pro-Am.

                            Lol you gotta understand you’re talking to someone who has been about this since 2k2.
                            Last edited by Caelumfang; 05-11-2020, 12:05 PM.

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                            • kdurantmvp
                              Pro
                              • Mar 2012
                              • 527

                              #464
                              Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

                              Originally posted by ksuttonjr76
                              No...they can go play other squads on the same "level" as them. It's really simple. If you play solo, then you should be able to play other solo players. If you play "squads", then should play other "squads". You're squad is good enough, then you'll be alright. If not...I don't think sucky squads should be "allowed" to "beat-up" on random squads to just stroke their egos. If you can't win with your "squad of friends", then it's on YOU to get better players on your squad. It shouldn't be on me to get a squad when I don't want to. You being unable to choose good players for your squad is not my problem.

                              Wait...so squads that aren't good enough should have to face comp squads just because you don't want to even face the squads that aren't good. So other people should suffer and not have fun because you decide you don't want to play as the game intended and as a team.


                              And that's where the problem lays. One side is going to have to suffer. Either squads that belong in the rec cause they not good enough to play pro am or maybe don't want to play comp or randoms like yourself that think they should be able to play a team based mode solo and expect good results from doing so.


                              Which is why I say give players a reason to play pro am instead of rec instead of forcing them into the pro am. There is no reason to play pro am over the rec because it's just not worth it. Make it so pro am games get more rep even when you lose and a bunch of those squads are leaving rec that instant.


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                              • ksuttonjr76
                                All Star
                                • Nov 2004
                                • 8662

                                #465
                                Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

                                Originally posted by Caelumfang
                                Right there is why I hate having to run with randoms, because in a lot of cases, you do need to correct them. And I’m fine with the ones that get it, but it’s the ones that choose to argue back that irritate me. 3 controllers later....you know how that goes.
                                I'm sorry, but that's the price you pay running with randoms in ANY multiplayer game. Some people are good. Some people suck. However, most players should be in the middle. That's how online multiplayer games work. Then who are you to "correct" someone online? I wish someone would try to "correct" me online. You have to play with the cards you're dealt. If you don't like that, then clans and squads are for you. However, you shouldn't be allowed to "beat-up" on randoms like it's some type of Revenge Tour.

                                The only "teammates" that bother me are the ones who intentionally try to grieve the game.

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