Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

[Iasounis]

Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

Once again, how about instead of blocking 5 stacks from going into the rec or making it solo only.... You incentivize the pro am mode until the point where it's pointless to even go into the rec. Yeah sure, you still might have that one team thats in there to cheese randoms but those games will be rare. But 2k shouldn't cater anything to solo players. Don't like it? Go play another game.. You cannot expect to be successful playing solo in a team based game. And then the way some of you guys have attitudes toward making friends, having communication with others just tells me everything I need to know about what type of player you are (language barrier folks is excluded).


What's hilarious is 2k probably has the stats of what type of squads enter the rec and it'll probably shock you guys how many 5 stacks really be in the rec.


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This too.

Either way, 2k needs to fix the matchmaking or else they'll just loose players; simple as that.

Got into a few games (4-5) using my 95+ build, and every game was against a squad. 97+ players playing 5 out and zone.

If this continues... I'm done. No fun loading into a game where I'm likely to lose at tip.

[tru11]

Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

Once again, how about instead of blocking 5 stacks from going into the rec or making it solo only.... You incentivize the pro am mode until the point where it's pointless to even go into the rec. Yeah sure, you still might have that one team thats in there to cheese randoms but those games will be rare. But 2k shouldn't cater anything to solo players. Don't like it? Go play another game.. You cannot expect to be successful playing solo in a team based game. And then the way some of you guys have attitudes toward making friends, having communication with others just tells me everything I need to know about what type of player you are (language barrier folks is excluded).


What's hilarious is 2k probably has the stats of what type of squads enter the rec and it'll probably shock you guys how many 5 stacks really be in the rec.


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Who said anything about blocking?

Do some of you have a reading disability or some kind of other issue that we need to know off?




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[TheFgGoatLikesHawks]

Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

So it never dawned on you that people may have just decided to use newer builds, and decided to test them in the Rec?


This is some of the nonsensical complaining that I'm talking about around here.

Yeah all 5 of them at the exact same time. No coincidence there..

[TheFgGoatLikesHawks]

Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

I hope this isn't the case LMAOOO. I have a 3&D center that I'm purposely keeping at 86-89. Games are so much better because you aren't matched with squads. Do you know for sure they're keep their levels low?

If true that is beyond pathetic.

Can't say for sure but from my exp. I'm seeing it more and more, and yeah I agree it's pathetic lol.

[TheFgGoatLikesHawks]

Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

You act as if coming in with a bunch of 93 rated players is gonna magically stop you from getting matched up against higher rated teams. Doesn’t work like that in Rec.

“OMG Rec shouldn’t allow squads!” “OMG I hate playing in Rec with randoms!” “OMG teams are running zone and 5-out!” “OMG my teammates don’t ever stretch the floor!”

Like seriously, people can’t decide what to complain about, so they just complain about everything.

The matchmaking will never be perfect, and you can’t stop people from going into the Rec as squads. You do that, and you pretty much kill off the Rec for good, because NOBODY is stepping in there if they’re forced to play with nothing but randoms every single game.

"complain about everything" or is it "complaining" (also known as uhh Feedback that idk 2K should be paying attention to). Feedback today is how technology moves forward tomorrow.

There's a simple solution. If you're a squad of 3 or more, you get matched with a squad of 3-5. Anything less than that gets matched with 2 or solo.

[TheFgGoatLikesHawks]

Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

Then don't get mad when teams are playing a team catered mode and play like a team. Rec has never been and will never be a solo mode. 2k has never advertised the mode as a solo mode so I don't know where you guys get this idea that squads shouldn't be allowed in there. And truth be told, I play the rec every day and multiple hours of the day. I rarely see these squads you guys speak of.

Nah Rec is PICKUP, Pro Am is meant for squads. At minimum it's both. It's based of the concept of pickup basketball. I've gone to play pickup (not so much now 'cause covid) solo or with friends plenty of times. You know what I don't see at my local park/gym? I don't see Coach K bringing his Duke team to play at my local park, running set plays like they're in the Final 4. That's the equivalent with 2K's current matchmaking system's loop holes.

[TheFgGoatLikesHawks]

Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

Why do yall get mad that people want to face bums? Not everyone plays this game for the same reason you do or the other person do. They might not even be good enough themselves to face comp but good enough to have an enjoyable time against the bums (which is 91% of the player base who play the game)


I seen a post saying matchmake based on teammate grade which sounds like a excellent idea until you realize that an teammate average grade of an A with randoms is almost as rare as a random who pass so even though we might have an A average, we going to be waiting a long time because it's not that many people that's not squaded up with an A average. Especially if you a big, most guards out there has a C or B so you going to be waiting.


Unfortunately the best solution is everyone to actually have a brain when they're playing this have but that won't happen because everyone thinks they should shoot the ball 30 times a game, won't pass, think big men shouldnt touch the ball on offense, think defense is spamming square around the court, complains about defensive badges but shoot with 3 hands in their face, the list goes on. 5 stacks vs 5 stacks is a good idea until you realize the truth is there aren't that many squads in the rec to begin with and a bunch of you guys who do complain about squads weren't facing squads and was just getting beat because maybe the other team was just better than you guys or you're just not good at the game.


I'll propose this though. Give pro am more incentives to play though. Why should anyone play pro am when you can get more rep in the rec just from the lack of talent there, you get games quicker, see less zone (which is ironic because a few of them go to the rec and play zone smh), can play with more unorthodox lineups because randoms are too stupid to realize they have a paint beast on their team going against a pure sharp SF playing center on the other team.


Pro am needs double the rep than in rec center, double the badge points, double the vc. Even in L's, you get more in pro am than in rec. Better rewards when you reach certain levels. If you elite, you can sign sponsorships and earn vc like you could in mycareer but in pro am. Say you sign a deal with Nike then everyone on the team gets a free pair of nikes to wear on the court and earn vc. A Gatorade deal could be for badge points. Beats deal could include a warm up suit shown before the game and you get more rep for repping beats.

More customization options. Give teams that are elite (which should be attainable by having 75 wins with a 80% win percentage... So 60-15 is the bare minimum to reach elite) options to choose various court options. Say a team that specializes in post play don't want a three point line, give them that option. Say a team wants to play with international rules and once the ball touch the rim, you can grab it. They should be able to set the rule. When you reach pro, you can edit the style of shorts your team play with.


Instead of blocking 5 stacks from coming into the rec like they're the problem (randoms are the problem if we being honest), you reward them for having a squad and bringing them to pro am. Once they see that not every team is going to be super big comp and the rewards is sweet (especially with the rep being doubled than what it is) 95% of them are not going to want to play rec.

Next, make the courts bigger. These courts are too small or our players is too big and not proportioned right on the courts. Reason you see zone being so relevant because you can literally control every part of the court and can spam square. Our players not even good like actual nba players and we're able to go from corner 3 to the paint with ease back and forth on the same possession. If you make the courts bigger, only time you might see zone is when you have no shooters on your team (which is a rarity in 2k). Make the courts bigger and post play is back with the increased spacing. More spacing benefits everyone. Shot creators, playmakers, Sharps. Only people who would hate making the courts bigger are spammers and who cares what they think.


Right there solves the two biggest issues you solo players have in the rec. 95% of the squads are now in pro am. Zone isn't used as much because the courts are bigger and if they do play zone, knockdown shooters are about to have a field day.


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Good ideas but Rec will always be more popular due to it's pop in and play setup. I have hundreds of 2K friends on my friends list but literally would only want to play Pro-Am with maybe 20 of them. So it's a more exclusive mode with a lot more set up and coordination of having a group of players you actually wanna run with who are on at the same time.

All 2K has to do is tweak the matchmaking in Rec. If pro-am squads wanna be in Rec, at minimum they shouldn't be going up against randoms.

I think teams have problems against zone not because court size or lack of spacing, but because it requires more offensive strategy and chemistry, and most of these squads only know a couple ways how to play.

[TheFgGoatLikesHawks]

Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

The simple solution is if you're tired of playing against squads when solo, then make some friends and get a squad of your own.

But as far as teams playing 5 out and zone, they should have never taken away the teammate grade detractors like "hold ball too long" and "leave assignment".

If these guys dribbling out the shot clock without passing actually took a hit to their teammate grade, and especially if they made it more harsh, it would help eliminate a bunch of that stuff.

2K actually encourages ball hogging with Handles for Days Badge. As far as Leave Assignment, plz nooooooo. I hated being tied down to that. Doesn't reflect real basketball. Made players play like a bunch of bots chasing an arrow and didn't allow for more creative defensive strategies.

[TheFgGoatLikesHawks]

Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

Rec is my main game mode. Got about 900 games played in the rec. Got about 250 losses. Now I bet you guys are like damn you faced squads 250 times and lost huh. No. Out of those 250 Ls, only about 100 was of these zone playing squads and out of those 100, 90 of them games came when I didn't have a full squad and the random start selling once they seen the zone.

I don't blame every loss I took on a squad because truth be told unless they all have their clan name in the psn name or they start the game off in zone, I don't know for sure if they a squad or not. I don't care if they a squad or not. We all play this game for a different reason and if they in the rec, they could be beat. Simple as that. But you guys talk like squads are this unbeatable boss on superman 64.


Alot of yall just suck at this game. It's as simple as that. This a team based sport. I know alot of you guys don't watch basketball or can't because you live overseas and games come on at 2 am. But basketball is a TEAM sport. You cannot win playing solo. You need to work together as a team and gel together as a team if you want to see success. Some of yall have this attitude that you don't want to make new friends, have no social skills, or just want to get on for one game and play without having to work with a team. Well sorry to say but maybe this game isn't for you. Go play Nascar or golf or something.


Honestly, I want 2k to softly ban squads fora weekend and I bet the people who was crying about squads will still lose most of the games played in the rec and they'll find something else to cry about.


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This might be the most simpleton take I've seen in 50+ pages on this topic.

If someone doesn't like having to face squads "you just suck at the game" / stop complaining, smh

If you hear feedback you don't like, it's "crying/whining/complaining", yet your crap is enlightenment or something? lmao.

Why are there weight classes in UFC and boxing? Why do they separate the matches? Think about it, it's not that difficult to understand.

Separate the tiers of types of players. Fix the matchmaking. Simple.

Your record isn't that impressive when you factor in that you probably wouldn't be caught dead in the Rec without your bff's. I probably win 97% of more if I have a 3-5 players I know in Rec. It's not difficult to win vs bum randoms or randoms in general when you have a squad. That's what's supposed to happen. It should be a blow out, 'cause duh.

Point ya'll continue to not get is that solo players shouldn't be punished 'cause they're solo. Rec is a pickup format (or it SHOULD be - hence the 'whining') not a NCAA tournament tryhard sweaty cry-if-you-lose format. 2K needs to make it that way, it's a simple solution, and it's now been a couple years of the same bs. And most players are both. Sometimes they're solo, sometimes they're not. I have zero problem facing squads when I have a squad myself (although it is pretty pathetic when I see an obvious tryhard pro-am squad). If a team's gonna try that hard, then why are they ducking comp? For their lil egos? If I have a team of 5-10 players I trust, I'm playing pro-am not rec. Why? Cause I'm not pathetic and scared of comp. I actually would want to test the comp as well as the toughness of my teammates.

The most pathetic group in this isn't the solo players (which a lot of the time is just to maximize actual playing time since we don't have an infinity amount of hours to play the actual game) that want fair matchmaking. The most pathetic group in the 2K community are the scared squads who get giddy over bum hunting vs randoms, yet are too scared to challenge themselves against real comp. Believe me I've told them this online as well lol.

[TheFgGoatLikesHawks]

Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

That's a lie, and you know it. You and I both know it's going to attract more hardcore squads. So, if that's the case, if I want to take a more relaxed approach to the game for the day for whatever reason, why the **** would I go to a mode where I am going to have to be ON EDGE more often than not? That literally makes 0 sense. Being on edge is literally the opposite of relaxing.


That is EXACTLY what the Rec is for.

Funny your ASAP hypocrisy once you're the one not in a position of advantage lmao. If you don't like, then you're just whining and suck at the game. So just take it and don't give feedback.

[TheFgGoatLikesHawks]

Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

You are correct. There’s 0 point in arguing with someone who thinks people should be forced to play solo in a team game. So have at it.

So I'm guessing you've never played pickup basketball. Do you know how many times guys have showed up as a "solo" and got on with other "randoms". Rec is pickup basketball. You're thinking of Pro-Am.

[kdurantmvp]

Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

So I'm guessing you've never played pickup basketball. Do you know how many times guys have showed up as a "solo" and got on with other "randoms". Rec is pickup basketball. You're thinking of Pro-Am.

And do you know how many people have came to the court with their friends and no one cried and complained.


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[ksuttonjr76]

Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

Once again, how about instead of blocking 5 stacks from going into the rec or making it solo only.... You incentivize the pro am mode until the point where it's pointless to even go into the rec. Yeah sure, you still might have that one team thats in there to cheese randoms but those games will be rare. But 2k shouldn't cater anything to solo players. Don't like it? Go play another game.. You cannot expect to be successful playing solo in a team based game. And then the way some of you guys have attitudes toward making friends, having communication with others just tells me everything I need to know about what type of player you are (language barrier folks is excluded).


What's hilarious is 2k probably has the stats of what type of squads enter the rec and it'll probably shock you guys how many 5 stacks really be in the rec.


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Smh...you're playing solo with OTHER solo players. That's basically the foundation of multiplayer games across ALL genres. Basketball is one of those games that's doesn't require "in-depth" communication like you would find in Rainbow 6.

As for the friends comment....I have zero DESIRE to have conversations with people online. I don't want to sit there while people are playing their damn music in the background, telling bad jokes, screaming at the top of their lungs, or whatever. I want to play my game in peace without the nonsense that comes with anonymous players thinking they can say or do whatever they want because it's the internet.

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[kdurantmvp]

Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

Smh...you're playing solo with OTHER solo players. That's basically the foundation of multiplayer games across ALL genres. Basketball is one of those games that's doesn't require "in-depth" communication like you would find in Rainbow 6.

As for the friends comment....I have zero DESIRE to have conversations with people online. I don't want to sit there while people are playing their damn music in the background, telling bad jokes, screaming at the top of their lungs, or whatever. I want to play my game in peace without the nonsense that comes with anonymous players thinking they can say or do whatever they want because it's the internet.

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Basketball actually does require communication like a game like rainbow 6.

This game isn't like other games. This is a team based sport where teams are playing a team based mode (squads coming into the rec). They are not exploiting the game to get their squad in the game, they aren't glitching. They're just playing the game how it's intended to be played. You cannot get upset that you are stubborn and don't want to actually meet people to succeed in a team based sport. You guys get on here and reddit all day crying about squads when you could be using that same energy to find people you can play with.


The rec has been allowing 5 stacks to come in the mode since 2k17. The 2k team(Ld2k for sure) themselves go into the rec with 5 people. It's not changing. Deal with it. Instead of crying on the internet, how about make post looking for people to roll with? Send request out to those who do be in the rec with a semblance of IQ.? Stop crying.

And once again, the truth is 5 man squads are not that often in the rec. So all this crying you guys doing and it's not even 5 stacks whooping yall.


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[ksuttonjr76]

Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

And do you know how many people have came to the court with their friends and no one cried and complained.


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They don't, but it's not LeBron showing up with Wade, Melo, Bosh, or Chris Paul either.

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