NBA2K10 - Devs- The Bar has been Raised.

[STLRams]

I am a huge fan of the 2Kbasketball, it is the best basketball game currenty. As a fan I'm really hoping the developers interact with us more to get feedback and fix some of the nagging problems that that NBA2K9 has, and expand on the great features that the series has. The past few months on the board EA sports developers and Sony developers have interacted with fans on the board and give some insight of what they are planning for there games and asked directly on ways to improve them. If anyone has played MLB 09 the Show they will see that the game is Grade A baseball game, truly beautiful.
http://www.osatwork.com/forums/showthread.php?t=297819
From the gameplay, graphics, presentation,etc. The Sony devs have raised the bar as far as how a sports SIM game should be. Even the Madden devs gave them praise on how that is how sports game should be, and now they are interacting with fans and implementing great things for Madden 10 to match this level of realism. Same goes for NBA Live, the devs have been interacting with the fans on ways to improve the game and are working on making the game more SIM and realistic by showing off some of there new tech and gameplay features in the early stages.

You can say what you want about EA sports but they are stepping up to the bar this year - http://www.osatwork.com/forums/showthread.php?t=298078
My question is do you think the 2KDevs will also try to meet the bar or surpass the bar that has been set by the MLB The Show devs? The EA sports devs have admitted that for Madden 10 and NBA Live 10 that they are striving to meet this bar or surpass it. As 2K fans it seems like every year we are left in the dark by 2K to find out any info or interaction with the devs until about a month before the game is released. While the Sony Devs and EA devs are interacting early with there fans to get input and ways to improve there games and showing them what they are working on so far and getting feedback. I hope that the 2Kbasketball are not sitting on the throne calmly thinking there game can't be knocked off, because believe it or not NBALive will be stepping up this year. As great as NBA 2K9 was, we all know that it had alot of issues - online gameplay, unrealistic player and team tendencies, PITP issues, fastbreak issues, no collision detection, help defense, etc.

Some of these things are already not problems in NBA Live - especially the roster updates with realistic team and player tendencies, Gotta admit this is better than 2K's. I really just want the devs to match what the Sony and EA devs are striving to do now with there games, and interact and talk with us more on the boards so that they understand that we want great features, great gameplay, and a great SIM Basketball game. Go on the MLB 09 boards, or the Madden10 boards and just read what's going on with there games. As a 2K fan I just want 2K to surpass the Bar that has been raised.

[DC]

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EA is REALLY trying. I sneak over to the Madden board and I am impressed with Ian and what he is doing. I think with 2K communicating with us is they want to talk to us , but they are very busy. The more they talk to us, the more we want to talk to them, and because of time they can’t respond often and that starts to create the idea that they are avoiding specific questions

But 2K10 needs to be on point man. 2K9 was a big disappointment in MANY people's eyes. Not saying it is unplayable but it is nowhere near the best game of the series.

[STLRams]

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I agree NBA2K10 has to be on point. Especially now with the quality that the Sony devs have released and now that its caught the attention of the EA Madden and Live Devs to meet this standard. Im sure the the 2Kdevs are busy, but I can't imagine them being twice as busy as the EA and Sony devs causing them not to interact with us and give us some early insight on what they are working on so far and get feedback from us. I just do not think its good that they keep is in the dark till the last minute with there baskeball game every year. Also I'm just hope they now that EA is resting on there butts and they have made it a goal to meet the bar that has been raised. For the Madden and Live developers to admit there past mistakes with there games and give MLB The show developers open praise about there game, and strive to meet or surpass what The Show has done is Huge coming from them. I just hope the 2Kdevs are noticing whats taking place this year as far as the standard being raised for a video game sports SIM game should be.

[STLRams]

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P.S. like you said I agree that Ian, one of the lead devs for Madden, im impressed with what he's trying to do with the Madden series. He's really striving to improving there game and making it more SIM. I hope 2K steps it up this year like the rest of the sports developers seem to be doing.

[totalownership]

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I'll definitely being looking at EA this year. i pretty much wrote off Madden but when I saw that (I guess Ian) guy acknowledge the work that Sony did with the MLB 09 then I had to second guess that. It's still not a first day buy BUT if I read the right things on these message boards it will be considered. NBA Live is now on EQUAL footing for consideration this year with 2K. First time ever for me but I do not like the direction 2K is headed with the series. Flash over substance is where they stand in my opinion and thats just not me. Whoever brings me the best SIM will get my dollars this year.

[edubbs]

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As 2K fans it seems like every year we are left in the dark by 2K to find out any info or interaction with the devs until about a month before the game is released.

This has been 2k's motto for the past few years.

However, this tactic will not fly with me this year.

NBA2K10 will be the 1st 2k basketball game since NBA2K5, that I'll be questioning whether the game is 'sim' enough for my purchase.

That keeping people in the dark method that has been their bread and butter in the past, will easily cause people to be that much more critical of the game if they repeat the gameplay shortcomings of NBA2K9.

ie; poor court spacing, horrible help D, poor CPU playcalling, lack of true authenic NBA playsets, poor player tendacies etc.

I know the Devs. are busy and they do not have the staff size of EA to devote people to these community boards but, ALOT of longtime fans are concerned about the direction of this game.

I know they are the king of the hill now in sales and quality but, the competition already does ALOT of things better gameplay wise and that game will only get better.

I'm hoping Big Rob and co. makes everybody a believer again this year but, until they come out from hiding we will have to wait on it.

Anyways......It will be VERY interesting to see, if they show up at E3 in June.

[STLRams]

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A have to agree with you, I'm a 2Kfan but the direction that the 2K series is going and the direction that EA now has Live going, I may have to buy NBALive10 when its released. The EA devs are stepping it up on all of there games this year. I mean reading some of there blogs about things they are implementing into there games this year is great. I want to have faith in 2K but 2K9 had so many problems that need to be fixed. I hope the Devs do deliver a true SIM experience with NBA2K10.

[FadeEmAll]

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There's no doubt in my mind NBA Live 10 will be better than NBA 2k10 due to the fact EA appears to be going forward and 2K appears to be resting on its laurels. Look at these boards, 2K is the least interactive of all the games and they should be the most active. The fact that you have to change rosters and slider just to get accurate stats in simulation is just pathetic. That's something that should have been solved. Not to mention the wack *** repetitive rookies they produce in association. The fact they have like 50 player models/faces is ridiculous.Why on earth would they nmot have an in-depth player creation mode that the computer uses to randomly generate players and then use a virtual face is beyond me. The weights of the players and body sizes is garbage too. I had a 6'8 279 power forward come out with a THIN BODY!!!! Then you can't even edit a player's weight?!??!?!?!? That just reeks of complacency and not paying attention to detail. I havent' played Live, but these things are horrible to see ina video gamr and this is supposed to be the BEST!!! Live aint got that far to go to pass this up.

[Jeffx]

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But 2K10 needs to be on point man. 2K9 was a big disappointment in MANY people's eyes. Not saying it is unplayable but it is nowhere near the best game of the series.

Agree 100&. I may go back to playing Live if 2K10 isn't up to snuff.

[tehova]

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does anybody think madden developers would be this open and talkative if they had direct competition? (not that it matters in this discussion)

For that reason neither live or 2k can have that same sort of interaction with the community, (which sucks for us) but makes business sense

[FadeEmAll]

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Well you're wrong there because the Live developers are open and so are MLB The Show developers. There's no excuse man.

[tehova]

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I wasn't makin excuses, but you won't see previewed animation sequences, detail on how ratings are tuned etc.. from any of those other games and for good reason. Madden has that unique position to show their whole hand, because they are playin solatire, not poker.

[Behindshadows]

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I wasn't makin excuses, but you won't see previewed animation sequences, detail on how ratings are tuned etc.. from any of those other games and for good reason. Madden has that unique position to show their whole hand, because they are playin solatire, not poker.

Yes they would make the same efforts if 2k was still making NFL 2k series.

Difference is Peter Moore and EA have hired some developers who actually give a damn about the sports series. And everyone so funny with the I'm a 2k fan stuff. I've been a 2k fan since the beginning and still have a guilty love for the series. But I'm finally in disappointment with everything they released. I've never had such a disgust for a company I've supported and loved so much in my life. But every 2k9 title is just a disappointment.

The reason the 2k devs aren't communicating with us is because they know they can't do much better or improve anymore to the levels they should as long as Take-Two isn't supporting their games. Since Take Two has acquired them from Sega. They haven't given them the budget to improve to that next level and they have yet to fund to technology for the games to advance to the next level.

I mean come on the same old graphics engine what more can you do with it. Same gameplay engine etc. You can't improve in areas if you don't have new technology and Take Two refuses to give them that. And I'm sure Simballer / Rob Jones / Zack Timmerman are all at 2k camp just shaking their heads. Because all the stuff they want to do they just can't. So you know what they say,"if you don't anything good to say don't say nothing at all". And you know what, they aren't saying anything. So there's definitely nothing good to say.

Take Two is constantly canceling games while all other companies are continuing to make their titles no matter what. They canceled APF and CH because of the so called lack of sales.

Sony's NBA game sales like boo boo, but they still make it! And March Madness isn't selling well, but NCAA Basketball still gets released. Even if they didn't hold up to quality standards they continued to support it. It's all about support and TT just aren't supporting 2ksports game like they should. But instead are continuing to cancel what 2k does best, basketball and football. While they are trying to survive off of nothing but NBA, NHL and MLB.

Good luck with that!

[NINJAK2]

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NBA 2k9's biggest fault is that they did not focus on defense enough and the interactive animations between offensive player and defensive player benefits the offensive player far to often. Better court spacing and reaction to playcalling is key to NBA 2k10 being better imo. If they can't do it this year then BS is probably right that it can't be done with their engine.

time will tell

[STLRams]

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There's no doubt in my mind NBA Live 10 will be better than NBA 2k10 due to the fact EA appears to be going forward and 2K appears to be resting on its laurels. Look at these boards, 2K is the least interactive of all the games and they should be the most active. The fact that you have to change rosters and slider just to get accurate stats in simulation is just pathetic. That's something that should have been solved. Not to mention the wack *** repetitive rookies they produce in association. The fact they have like 50 player models/faces is ridiculous.Why on earth would they nmot have an in-depth player creation mode that the computer uses to randomly generate players and then use a virtual face is beyond me. The weights of the players and body sizes is garbage too. I had a 6'8 279 power forward come out with a THIN BODY!!!! Then you can't even edit a player's weight?!??!?!?!? That just reeks of complacency and not paying attention to detail. I havent' played Live, but these things are horrible to see ina video gamr and this is supposed to be the BEST!!! Live aint got that far to go to pass this up.

Great statement! The 2Kboards on this forum are the most quiet now. People hated on the LiveDNA feature at first for roster updates and tendencies, but it turned out to be much better than what 2K is doing with the 2Kinsider roster updates. I like sliders in games but it is so stupid every year with have to spend more time adjusting roster tendencies and sliders than playing the actual game because of 2K devs not getting the gameplay right. I didn't like Live 09 more than 2K9, but the teams and players tendencies are much better in NBA Live than 2K. We should not have to constantly change sliders and settings to get the game to play more SIM and realistic. Most of us are still adjusting sliders now.

As far as EA not communication on the NBA Live boards, they already have been communicating on the forum about plans for Live10, and have mentioned that they will continue to communicate in the coming months, like they are doing for Madden10. Also one of the big reason's that the devs are communicating on the Madden forums is because of the new dev teams have finally heard the cries of improving Madden. The 2Kfootball fans always complained about Madden, but the past 2years its been the die hard Madden fans that have also been complaining about the game, this what really caught there attention to make the game more SIM and realistic. All I can say is EA Devs compared to 2K Devs in the past year are going in opposite directions, and EA is going in the right direction im sorry to say. Like I said before with MLB 09 The show putting out a Grade A product and Madden and Live Devs shaping up by acknowledging what Sony has done and are follwing suit, the bar has been raised, what is 2K planning to do.....