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  • STLRams
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    • Aug 2005
    • 2847

    #16
    Re: NBA2K10 - Devs- The Bar has been Raised.

    P.S. - I know people probably have already read this interview but:
    http://sports.espn.go.com/videogames...ory?id=3900151


    Respond quote from a NBA Live Developer after some felt he was slamming 2KBasketball:

    Alright, let me clear up a few things. First off, I think some of the answers I gave ESPN were either a bit distorted or came out the wrong way. I, in no way, intended to slam 2k. I have a tremendous amount of respect for the guys over there and consider many of them to be my close friends. Here are the points I was trying to communicate in some of those "quotes" that have been debated on OS the past couple of days:

    1. 2k porting from old gen and covering up problems with animation. 2k and EA obviously chose 2 very different paths when moving from the last gen of consoles to the current. given the resources at 2k, porting the old gen code up to 360/PS3 and re-writing "chunks" of the game each year was probably the best strategy for the team. it allowed us to shove in a great deal of content without having to rebuild the game from scratch. however, I was admittedly frustrated with several aspects of 2k's gameplay while I was there. And for reasons I don't want to delve into, they just weren't getting fixed. I wouldn't say we tried to cover up those problems with animation... but the animation work we were doing certainly did mask some of the flaws or at least let many consumers look passed them. so one of the reasons I approached EA, was because I felt that Live wasn't suffering from those same problems and I saw a tremendous upside with the game they were building. and I believe, between the 2 games, Live is actually better positioned for me to reach my goal of making the ultimate hoops sim. and that's something I hope you guys will see as well next fall.

    2. the window dressing comment. what I meant by that was, 2k does a good job differentiating players via animation. IMO, that's 2k's biggest strength. but there wasn't really a huge commitment to differentiating players via the under the hood logic. Live, on the other hand, is just the opposite. there is so much logic in the underlying systems to try and get players to play like their real life counterparts. I mean, that's the primary goal of Dynamic DNA. but the animation component just isn't up to par yet. I don't want a game that has one and not the other because it'll either be pretty and stupid, or ugly and smart. our goal with Live 10 is to make sure that we capture both the look as well as the brains.

    Live Developers already communicating with the public, steps in the right direction....<!-- / message -->

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    • Urban Legend 72
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      • Aug 2008
      • 122

      #17
      Re: NBA2K10 - Devs- The Bar has been Raised.

      Good post.
      EVERYTHING HAPPENS FOR A REASON. WE JUST DONT ALWAYS KNOW WHAT THE REASON IS.

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      • spankdatazz22
        All Star
        • May 2003
        • 6219

        #18
        Re: NBA2K10 - Devs- The Bar has been Raised.

        Funny how some of you value "steps in the right direction" over results. It's cool that the devs of Madden/Live 2010 are promising riches and that all your wildest dreams will come true - for next year's titles of course - but shouldn't all this be taken with a grain of salt until information of substance or the end product is released? Tiburon has done nothing but produced mostly disappointing Madden and NCAAs this gen. This ENTIRE gen. Now people are falling over themselves in praise because of the simple act that they're providing a dialogue with the community. Do people even bother to ask themselves about the information that's being discussed? I'm glad that they're improving the QB play, but to be honest... it's kinda expected. And necessary. I'm glad they're making improvements to player momentum but to be honest... it's kinda expected. And necessary. Of the polls I've seen, all but one seemed pretty much obvious what choice needed to be made. Madden 06<07<08<09. I fully expect Madden 2010 to be better. But for some reason it seems the expectation is that the game will be worse, and that we should be elated/surprised if it's better. I had to laugh when I read one person's post after looking at a screen capture in one of Ian's blogs that "it looks like they really improved the QB drops" or something to that effect.

        It was a Madden 09 pic.

        Community interaction is nice, but I think some blow it completely out of proportion. I think it's a great customer service tool; it makes the consumer feel involved and perhaps closer to the product. What Tiburon has done with the OS community given Madden's real life performance is borderline remarkable. If people want to make themselves giddy over every twittered bit of info that's fine. But imo it's not that necessary. As long as the developer has a clear vision of what they want and the talent to bring that vision to bear, it's not necessary to have the community making sure they're doing every little thing right - because ultimately, they won't. Infinity Ward doesn't need to check with the community every 5minutes to make sure they're developing Modern Warfare 2 to the community's standards; their own standards are high enough. I'm sure if Capcom had depended on community involvement, Street Fighter IV would've been pushed into being a 3D fighter. I realize I'm not a developer, and that I don't have the first clue to many of the things that have to be taken into consideration when developing a game.

        Either way, I don't know when things changed but it seems promising future riches actually carries more weight than having tangible assets in the present. No wonder I'm posting less and less.
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        • TheBadazz
          MVP
          • Jun 2004
          • 2610

          #19
          Re: NBA2K10 - Devs- The Bar has been Raised.

          Originally posted by spankdatazz22
          Funny how some of you value "steps in the right direction" over results. It's cool that the devs of Madden/Live 2010 are promising riches and that all your wildest dreams will come true - for next year's titles of course - but shouldn't all this be taken with a grain of salt until information of substance or the end product is released? Tiburon has done nothing but produced mostly disappointing Madden and NCAAs this gen. This ENTIRE gen. Now people are falling over themselves in praise because of the simple act that they're providing a dialogue with the community. Do people even bother to ask themselves about the information that's being discussed? I'm glad that they're improving the QB play, but to be honest... it's kinda expected. And necessary. I'm glad they're making improvements to player momentum but to be honest... it's kinda expected. And necessary. Of the polls I've seen, all but one seemed pretty much obvious what choice needed to be made. Madden 06<07<08<09. I fully expect Madden 2010 to be better. But for some reason it seems the expectation is that the game will be worse, and that we should be elated/surprised if it's better. I had to laugh when I read one person's post after looking at a screen capture in one of Ian's blogs that "it looks like they really improved the QB drops" or something to that effect.

          It was a Madden 09 pic.

          Community interaction is nice, but I think some blow it completely out of proportion. I think it's a great customer service tool; it makes the consumer feel involved and perhaps closer to the product. What Tiburon has done with the OS community given Madden's real life performance is borderline remarkable. If people want to make themselves giddy over every twittered bit of info that's fine. But imo it's not that necessary. As long as the developer has a clear vision of what they want and the talent to bring that vision to bear, it's not necessary to have the community making sure they're doing every little thing right - because ultimately, they won't. Infinity Ward doesn't need to check with the community every 5minutes to make sure they're developing Modern Warfare 2 to the community's standards; their own standards are high enough. I'm sure if Capcom had depended on community involvement, Street Fighter IV would've been pushed into being a 3D fighter. I realize I'm not a developer, and that I don't have the first clue to many of the things that have to be taken into consideration when developing a game.

          Either way, I don't know when things changed but it seems promising future riches actually carries more weight than having tangible assets in the present. No wonder I'm posting less and less.
          Good post Spank. I agree with ya.
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          • noshun
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            • Sep 2006
            • 1150

            #20
            Re: NBA2K10 - Devs- The Bar has been Raised.

            Originally posted by TheBadazz
            Good post Spank. I agree with ya.
            I agree as well.
            NBA Live is the epitome of Cancel Culture..


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            • FadeEmAll
              Banned
              • Dec 2008
              • 880

              #21
              Re: NBA2K10 - Devs- The Bar has been Raised.

              Spank, While your posts made some valid points the truth is that interaction at least gives the appearance of knowing your product is flawed. We all know 2K9 and the developers ain't saying nothing, so what gives you any reason to believe they will improve in the future?

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              • Behindshadows
                CEO - BSG Network
                • Nov 2004
                • 8055

                #22
                Re: NBA2K10 - Devs- The Bar has been Raised.

                Originally posted by FadeEmAll
                Spank, While your posts made some valid points the truth is that interaction at least gives the appearance of knowing your product is flawed. We all know 2K9 and the developers ain't saying nothing, so what gives you any reason to believe they will improve in the future?
                2ksports kept quiet like this last season as well and didn't get any info until a week or two before release and the game ended up terrible. Same goes with MLB 2k9 and NHL 2k9 where demo's were released after it hit stores, etc.

                The company knows that we will be disappointed with the game so they keep their mouth shut, but 2ksports has a history of great basketball games that's why the sales went through the roof as normal. But the fact is 2k9 left a bad taste in everyone's mouth this year and they really need to start the spam marketing a lot sooner than later to keep up. Because now competition has improved it's ways not to mention it has technology that surpasses anything 2ksports has presented from footplanting, better defensive A.I. and Dynamic DNA which is more dominate than Living rosters!
                Last edited by Behindshadows; 03-20-2009, 09:32 PM.

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                • DC
                  Hall Of Fame
                  • Oct 2002
                  • 17996

                  #23
                  Re: NBA2K10 - Devs- The Bar has been Raised.

                  Good Points Shadows
                  Concrete evidence/videos please

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                  • STLRams
                    MVP
                    • Aug 2005
                    • 2847

                    #24
                    Re: NBA2K10 - Devs- The Bar has been Raised.

                    Originally posted by Behindshadows
                    2ksports kept quiet like this last season as well and didn't get any info until a week or two before release and the game ended up terrible. Same goes with MLB 2k9 and NHL 2k9 where demo's were released after it hit stores, etc.

                    The company knows that we will be disappointed with the game so they keep their mouth shut, but 2ksports has a history of great basketball games that's why the sales went through the roof as normal. But the fact is 2k9 left a bad taste in everyone's mouth this year and they really need to start the spam marketing a lot sooner than later to keep up. Because now competition has improved it's ways not to mention it has technology that surpasses anything 2ksports has presented from footplanting, better defensive A.I. and Dynamic DNA which is more dominate than Living rosters!
                    Thank You couldn't agree more.

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                    • jira2004
                      Banned
                      • May 2006
                      • 326

                      #25
                      Re: NBA2K10 - Devs- The Bar has been Raised.

                      Originally posted by STLRams
                      Thank You couldn't agree more.
                      I will have to see it to believe it...the interactions with us is cool but is it a smoke screen? Is it all hype? Madden and college football need chain gangs and gang tackling and a overall fell of football on order for me to buy!!!!!

                      I can't lie MLB 09 is a must have and i dont know much about baseball!!!!!! C'mon developers make it happen this year or you will be in a recession yourself!!!!!!

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                      • jfsolo
                        Live Action, please?
                        • May 2003
                        • 12965

                        #26
                        Re: NBA2K10 - Devs- The Bar has been Raised.

                        I think developer interaction is a great, great thing. One, because I am an information junkie and always want to know all the hows, whys, and whats, if possible, and two, because I believe that there is a high probability that the game will be enhanced by that interaction.

                        By the same token, at the end of the day the finished product is all that matters. The usual suspects will disagree, and that's alright, but IMO NBA 2k9 is the best game in the series, and the best basketball game of all time. So a lack of developer interaction for this game, doesn't give the same sense of trepidation that it might for another game.

                        I'm sure 2K will maintain their usual "Cone of Silence" about this game until around September, thus causing many here to eulogize them prematurely due to the probable cornucopia of info that EA will release before that time, but we aren't really going to know what's what until both games drop, despite any prognostications to the contrary.
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                        • tril
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                          • Nov 2004
                          • 2914

                          #27
                          Re: NBA2K10 - Devs- The Bar has been Raised.

                          The developers visit these websites regularly. they may not post anything, but Im sure they are taking notes. Complaints, and ideas are being taken into consideration.

                          IMO NBA2k9 did step their game up. THE PC version is by far their best release to date. its fun straight out the box, and with the right slider adjustments you can have an almost true to life sim experience. Its a great game with very few flaws.

                          NBA 2k series is on the right path.

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                          • Behindshadows
                            CEO - BSG Network
                            • Nov 2004
                            • 8055

                            #28
                            Re: NBA2K10 - Devs- The Bar has been Raised.

                            Originally posted by tril
                            The developers visit these websites regularly. they may not post anything, but Im sure they are taking notes. Complaints, and ideas are being taken into consideration.

                            IMO NBA2k9 did step their game up. THE PC version is by far their best release to date. its fun straight out the box, and with the right slider adjustments you can have an almost true to life sim experience. Its a great game with very few flaws.

                            NBA 2k series is on the right path.
                            I hate the console version but the PC version is very nice with a maxed out PC. The modifications to the PC version are very nice.

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                            • STLRams
                              MVP
                              • Aug 2005
                              • 2847

                              #29
                              Re: NBA2K10 - Devs- The Bar has been Raised.

                              Also another big thing the EA developers are doing for NBA Live or Madden this year on the board is with releasing info early and answering questions, they are directly asking fans questions about certain aspects of the gameplay and features that should be added or removed from the game. That is Huge, because instead of keeping there fans in the dark till the last minute, they are addressing issues early that may come up ater after there products are released and are improving and addressing things based on fan opinion and feedback while the game is still in the early stages. You can't hate on that, no matter how much of a 2Kfan you are. Smart move by EA to talk with fans while the game is still in development and get community feedback. MLB devs did the same thing = MLB 09. I repeat the bar has been raised....

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                              • AuburnAlumni
                                War Eagle
                                • Jul 2002
                                • 11939

                                #30
                                Re: NBA2K10 - Devs- The Bar has been Raised.

                                WTF?

                                I am not getting all of this NBA2k hate.

                                I DISAGREE with just about everyone in this thread. I love 2k9. I play the hell out of it..which is saying something for me since I'm a college guy at heart. I've played probably 80 combined games between my Rockets and Pacers franchises.

                                With slider tweaks and roster updates, I get consistently great games. The only major issue I have is the damn bounce passes in traffic...other than that..the game is gorgeous and plays a very very good game of basketball for me.

                                I tried live and quite frankly...it's the same EA Bball game to me. Clunky animations, awkward shooting motions, etc. I've never been a fan of EA basketball games and it would really take something special for me to ever turn back their way.

                                But again....I personally think NBA2k9 is the best sports game I've played, right alongside College Hoops 2k8.

                                Considering how EA consistently falls behind 2k in performance, the 2k guys get the benefit of the doubt with me if they don't spend as much time interacting with the community. Just my .02.
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