NBA 2K10 from a skeptics POV

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Marketing can't make a bad game to be good. But, marketing CAN point out things that were fixed. 7-8 years ago, marketing was: "We show you our new game - take it!!!". Today marketing is: "We learned from our mistakes last year, so this year we have lots of new and improved stuff, BUT we also fixed many of the issues that bothered you last year".

That's true. It can surely build hype, sometimes for better, sometimes for worse. With that said, I haven't an issue with 2K's marketing. I do not feel their marketing strategy will make me like the game more or less once I try it. I'll be able to see info on the game at some point before I make a purchase. I do not see why I have to see that info so early. Often, I find respected gamer's impressions to be most valuable, and those do not come until the day of release or just prior.

In accordance to a couple other posts that suggest 2K9 was a dissapointment and there's no way of anyone getting around that, I respectfully disagree once more. I believe there were many people dissapointed by the game but I also believe there were many people completely satisfied. It is okay if one was dissapointed with their product, but it is hardly the feeling of the majority and certainly not an accepted fact.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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To be honest I couldn't care less about 2k's marketing. I know I'm going to buy the game because I love basketball and their series, the only thing I care about is when I play the game for the 1st time, it amazes me like NBA 2K8.

That's true. It can surely build hype, sometimes for better, sometimes for worse. With that said, I haven't an issue with 2K's marketing. I do not feel their marketing strategy will make me like the game more or less once I try it. I'll be able to see info on the game at some point before I make a purchase. I do not see why I have to see that info so early. Often, I find respected gamer's impressions to be most valuable, and those do not come until the day of release or just prior.

In accordance to a couple other posts that suggest 2K9 was a dissapointment and there's no way of anyone getting around that, I respectfully disagree once more. I believe there were many people dissapointed by the game but I also believe there were many people completely satisfied. It is okay if one was dissapointed with their product, but it is hardly the feeling of the majority and certainly not an accepted fact.

Couldn't agree more with these two.

[crm968]

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Firs of all, i hate how people are always talking about who copied who! seriously? We gonna go that route? How much more can you expand on the game of Basketball as a sport? Almost everything everyone has ever created in the market has been outdone or improved by either themselves or someone else. It's just the nature of Marketing. For example, Look at the iPhone, they may have used technology created by someone else but they expanded on the idea of touch screen. Now look at how many phones are doing it just to compete. It goes back and forth forever. It's not called copying.

It is enhancing or improving on the original idea, but you need to avoid being accused of plagiarism. As long as you take the time to find out the holes in the original product, you’ll create a unique and useful product of your own that can stand alone. Everyone does this.

With all respect, i highly disagree with the man that said marketing is overrated. I think Word of mouth advertising is the most powerful form of advertising you can get. And that is what we are doing on these forums. I bet there would be a huge difference between LIVE not showing anything until two weeks of release compared to showing videos every week like they are. Ok so maybe they have done this before, but there have been impressions where people like CZAR were left alone in a room with all confidence to play the game. No one said anything to him or was on his back, They said here, play this F-ing game and have fun.

Finally, i agree with shadows, If 2K doesn't start to advertise or show people something besides the Combine then they can be in trouble. You know there are people that are only willing to spend their 60 on one game this year, and i have heard many already mention that they will go with LIVE. And that's people who haven't played it in years or hated it before. And i don't see why people also say that 2k10 is going to be different than the Combine. What the hell is the point of releasing a demo showcasing your main feature if it's going to play nothing like the final product. Didn't they release the demo to give us a preview of 2K10? if not then i am at a loss. I for one am going to buy both though, but that little thing called marketing and word of mouth has changed people's minds. That's my point. Thank you for reading.

[Goffs]

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Oh that reminds me, 2k10 better have a demo unlike 2khockey.

they already said they would...i think its in one of the articles but i cant recall....in 2k hockeys case there was no mention of a demo whatsoever only speculation...

[CoHouse2814]

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to all the complainers we all know you going to buy 2k10 anyways whether they market heavy or not...lol

live does this every year and hype people to buy there game then people do and its turn out to be super trash. 2k method of marketing may frustrate some people but if its works USE IT. 2k sales numbers has rise every year and live numbers has fallen or been equal SO......the smartest and best marketing is the one that shown to be more profitable and the winner of that goes to 2k sports

[ProfessaPackMan]

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And i don't see why people also say that 2k10 is going to be different than the Combine.

SimBaller has already came out and said that the final version will be just about completely different from what we've seen on the DC. I don't understand why people keep ignoring that part that has been known before the DC even dropped. But I guess certain people on here get the benefit of the doubt moreso than others.

[drewbs]

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to all the complainers we all know you going to buy 2k10 anyways whether they market heavy or not...lol

live does this every year and hype people to buy there game then people do and its turn out to be super trash. 2k method of marketing may frustrate some people but if its works USE IT. 2k sales numbers has rise every year and live numbers has fallen or been equal SO......the smartest and best marketing is the one that shown to be more profitable and the winner of that goes to 2k sports

I disagree, Live looked like trash last year and played like trash last year. I'm surprised so many people thought it looked good from pre-release videos and screens. And 2k outsells Live because Live has sucked ever since it's come to next gen consoles, and hiring the 2k lead gameplay designer was a brilliant move for them because despite the fact that 09 was mediocre, there was a definite improvement and Live 10 actually looks like it's going to be great for the first time in many years. It's the first time I've watched a gameplay video and actually could be fooled into thinking it's basketball.

I don't think one can really judge the game until it comes out, which is why I think marketing is overrated, the biggest problem by far in NBA 2k is AI, the computer is just too stupid and by the time the user figures it out, it becomes completely predictable and too easy to beat, but until one actually plays the game, it's going to be impossible to tell how good it's going to be. Features are worthless unless they're actually implemented well.

[CoHouse2814]

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I disagree, Live looked like trash last year and played like trash last year. I'm surprised so many people thought it looked good from pre-release videos and screens. And 2k outsells Live because Live has sucked ever since it's come to next gen consoles, and hiring the 2k lead gameplay designer was a brilliant move for them because despite the fact that 09 was mediocre, there was a definite improvement and Live 10 actually looks like it's going to be great for the first time in many years. It's the first time I've watched a gameplay video and actually could be fooled into thinking it's basketball.

I don't think one can really judge the game until it comes out, which is why I think marketing is overrated, the biggest problem by far in NBA 2k is AI, the computer is just too stupid and by the time the user figures it out, it becomes completely predictable and too easy to beat, but until one actually plays the game, it's going to be impossible to tell how good it's going to be. Features are worthless unless they're actually implemented well.

well in terms of the A.I. that for every game including live. there is not a sports game alive that i havent figured out the A.I.

and with the top paragraph you had me confure cause you disagree but mention the same exact thing i said in different wording

[crm968]

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SimBaller has already came out and said that the final version will be just about completely different from what we've seen on the DC. I don't understand why people keep ignoring that part that has been known before the DC even dropped. But I guess certain people on here get the benefit of the doubt moreso than others.

Well thanks for pointing that out because i didn't know. Now i feel better
No sarcasm

[MarvellousOne]

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They marketed the heck out of the DC that's probably why people have it in there minds that this could be how 2K10 plays, it's not the same case for me I'm just not as confident in the product this year because of 2K9 last year disappointed me and the game just felt the same for awhile so I'm just waiting to see how the demo will be.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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They marketed the heck out of the DC

No they didn't. If you weren't on OS or the 2K Forums, chances are that you wouldn't even know that this is out or even know that this exists.

[moefooljoe]

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highly disagree with this post..how do you think ea got me even caring about the newest live 10? I aint bought a live game since live 05...im checking their forums everyday now for a reason.

I don't get it, ea hypes all of their live games the same way. What makes this different than any other year? If your paying attention to live 10 because of hype, the why didn't you buy live 09 or live 08 because of the hype. Like 2k, ea does the same thing every year! The difference is that 2k actually delivers a good product in the end.

[jfsolo]

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That's true. It can surely build hype, sometimes for better, sometimes for worse. With that said, I haven't an issue with 2K's marketing. I do not feel their marketing strategy will make me like the game more or less once I try it. I'll be able to see info on the game at some point before I make a purchase. I do not see why I have to see that info so early. Often, I find respected gamer's impressions to be most valuable, and those do not come until the day of release or just prior.

In accordance to a couple other posts that suggest 2K9 was a dissapointment and there's no way of anyone getting around that, I respectfully disagree once more. I believe there were many people dissapointed by the game but I also believe there were many people completely satisfied. It is okay if one was dissapointed with their product, but it is hardly the feeling of the majority and certainly not an accepted fact.

Great post. Message board can really skew people's perspective on things. You take a dozen or so long time members who were really upset with 2k9, some going so far as to make sigs and avatars bashing the game, and have them spend months relentlessly expressing their disappointment, and all of a sudden that translates into "2K9 an unmitigated disaster for all 2 million who purchased it"

The Combine has already created a new schism. Some(myself included) see many improvements and are very excited for 2K10, others have a feeling of same ole, same ole and are already close to throwing in the towel.

I hope that those who end up not feeling 2K10, say their piece constructively and then move on, instead of being a relentless irritant, constantly taking subtle and not so subtle shots at the game and those who do like it.

[The 24th Letter]

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So many bias comments in here it's sickening, I remember when Operationsports was about sports gaming and sports, not about one corporation vs another!

WOW. Did you read over anything you said after this? You literally cant help yourself anymore man lol

SimBaller has already came out and said that the final version will be just about completely different from what we've seen on the DC. I don't understand why people keep ignoring that part that has been known before the DC even dropped. But I guess certain people on here get the benefit of the doubt moreso than others.

Selective reading lol....he said that it literally couldnt be the final version...Im sure everyone saw that, but you know how that goes.

[MarvellousOne]

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No they didn't. If you weren't on OS or the 2K Forums, chances are that you wouldn't even know that this is out or even know that this exists.

Only if you wasn't trying to find out info on 2K periods but chances are you could find info on the DC pretty good. 2K forums and OS maybe the major place that get a lot of info drops but that gets spread so quickly around the net that it's ridicules, that's called marketing, toss the info out to the biggest fan based or what have you and it gets spread across the board, you almost have to not be looking for info at all not to know that DC demo isn't out.

But agree to disagree I still don't think it should have been much emphasis on DC as there was since it's not a full fledged reflection on 2K10