NBA 2K10 from a skeptics POV

[The 24th Letter]

Re: NBA 2K10 from a skeptics POV

Great post. Message board can really skew people's perspective on things. You take a dozen or so long time members who were really upset with 2k9, some going so far as to make sigs and avatars bashing the game, and have them spend months relentlessly expressing their disappointment, and all of a sudden that translates into "2K9 an unmitigated disaster for all 2 million who purchased it"

The Combine has already created a new schism. Some(myself included) see many improvements and are very excited for 2K10, others have a feeling of same ole, same ole and are already close to throwing in the towel.

I hope that those who end up not feeling 2K10, say their piece constructively and then move on, instead of being a relentless irritant, constantly taking subtle and not so subtle shots at the game and those who do like it.

[videobastard]

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Im expecting 2k9.5 but i hope that i am wrong.

[CoHouse2814]

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from the combine 2k10 will for surely not be 2k9.5

you can see the difference in alot of areas and i have high hope for 2k10 and will still hold on to the crown as king of basketball.

[Jano]

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Marketing can't make a bad game to be good. But, marketing CAN point out things that were fixed. 7-8 years ago, marketing was: "We show you our new game - take it!!!". Today marketing is: "We learned from our mistakes last year, so this year we have lots of new and improved stuff, BUT we also fixed many of the issues that bothered you last year".

Good post youvalss this is how I feel about marketing too. And this is one area I think 2K can improve in.

I like the fact that they are finally taking the time to do these Dev insights because I feel like they are long overdue.

This is the type of info I like to hear but I wish that they had started earlier like EA did. The info is nice but at the same time its like I want to hear about gameplay now.

The audio insight was good but its something I think they could have talked about earlier.

I just don't like 2K's marketing because i feel like they could do so much more with it.

Generally 2K bball games have a lot packed into it I just wish they would show their product off more. I don't think doing that will increase sales but it will get people more interested in playing their game.

I think they could have really stolen the show if they marketed anywhere close to the way EA does for Live.

People are in love with animations so if they were showing off their gameplay improvements like EA IDK where live would be.

But hey the game is going to sell regardless so I guess it doesn't matter anyway. It just frustrates me to see how at times it seems like they aren't taking advantage of their top dog position.

I feel like they really could (And still might be able to got a month until release) crush Live if they just marketed more.

Imo 2K has the power to make Live nonexistent in some areas if they showed off the game more. Its like at this point they can show off stuff but EA's already got a hold of peoples attentions so the impact of their info may not be as huge.

Whatever rant over I'm done.

[Rocboyz101]

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to all the complainers we all know you going to buy 2k10 anyways whether they market heavy or not...lol

live does this every year and hype people to buy there game then people do and its turn out to be super trash. 2k method of marketing may frustrate some people but if its works USE IT. 2k sales numbers has rise every year and live numbers has fallen or been equal SO......the smartest and best marketing is the one that shown to be more profitable and the winner of that goes to 2k sports

Why do people say this? No one blindly buys games solely off the their name anymore.

I don't get it, ea hypes all of their live games the same way. What makes this different than any other year? If your paying attention to live 10 because of hype, the why didn't you buy live 09 or live 08 because of the hype. Like 2k, ea does the same thing every year! The difference is that 2k actually delivers a good product in the end.

The same reason I started to pay attention to 2k7 instead of live 07, it looks good.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Only if you wasn't trying to find out info on 2K periods but chances are you could find info on the DC pretty good. 2K forums and OS maybe the major place that get a lot of info drops but that gets spread so quickly around the net that it's ridicules, that's called marketing, toss the info out to the biggest fan based or what have you and it gets spread across the board, you almost have to not be looking for info at all not to know that DC demo isn't out.

But agree to disagree I still don't think it should have been much emphasis on DC as there was since it's not a full fledged reflection on 2K10

If you say so...

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Good post youvalss this is how I feel about marketing too. And this is one area I think 2K can improve in.

I like the fact that they are finally taking the time to do these Dev insights because I feel like they are long overdue.

This is the type of info I like to hear but I wish that they had started earlier like EA did. The info is nice but at the same time its like I want to hear about gameplay now.

The audio insight was good but its something I think they could have talked about earlier.

I just don't like 2K's marketing because i feel like they could do so much more with it.

Generally 2K bball games have a lot packed into it I just wish they would show their product off more. I don't think doing that will increase sales but it will get people more interested in playing their game.

I think they could have really stolen the show if they marketed anywhere close to the way EA does for Live.

People are in love with animations so if they were showing off their gameplay improvements like EA IDK where live would be.

But hey the game is going to sell regardless so I guess it doesn't matter anyway. It just frustrates me to see how at times it seems like they aren't taking advantage of their top dog position.

I feel like they really could (And still might be able to got a month until release) crush Live if they just marketed more.

Imo 2K has the power to make Live nonexistent in some areas if they showed off the game more. Its like at this point they can show off stuff but EA's already got a hold of peoples attentions so the impact of their info may not be as huge.

Whatever rant over I'm done.

Great post.

[Goffs]

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@rocboyz101 Madden would like a word with you...

[CoHouse2814]

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Why do people say this? No one blindly buys games solely off the their name anymore.

cause you know and i know its true ROC. well 2k doesnt market heavy and has been doing it for years but yet there numbers rise each year? people know deep inside that 2k series is a good product so when they walk up in stores they just say 2k basketball please, clerk says would this cash or credit?

2k10 is really gone sell HUGE for one main reason regardless if its good or not even tho i know it will be GOOD, and that KOBE BRYANT and if you doubt me all i can say wait till oct 6 and the upcoming weeks

[Rocboyz101]

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@rocboyz101 Madden would like a word with you...

cause you know and i know its true ROC. well 2k doesnt market heavy and has been doing it for years but yet there numbers rise each year? people know deep inside that 2k series is a good product so when they walk up in stores they just say 2k basketball please, clerk says would this cash or credit?

2k10 is really gone sell HUGE for one main reason regardless if its good or not even tho i know it will be GOOD, and that KOBE BRYANT and if you doubt me all i can say wait till oct 6 and the upcoming weeks

I am more or less talking about myself. I have been a 2k customer since 2k7, but I'm never gonna blindly buy their product off of their name. Maybe your casual everyday gamer will, but I won't. And that goes for any game.

[youvalss]

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So many bias comments in here it's sickening, I remember when Operationsports was about sports gaming and sports, not about one corporation vs another!

I wasn't a member of this site back then, but I suspect this attitude started when EA made its move back in 2005. You know, THE move.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Why do people say this? No one blindly buys games solely off the their name anymore

I got a beachfront home with a view of the Ocean in North Dakota I'll sell you if you really believe this.

[Rocboyz101]

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And the people talking about the combine, this is what simballer said..

I think you guys are astute enough to know that this is not final 2K10 gameplay code, it physically can't be. This game needed to be done in early July while we have until mid-late September for the full version of the game. That being said, you'll see the core changes to the game (spacing (which makes a big difference), mechanics, etc.).

It's a very fun experience that brings new gameplay to the table (the game plays totally different than what you are used to as you are player locked to your player). If you take it for what it is (it is NOT final 2K10 gameplay), then I honestly think you guys will really enjoy it. More than anything we've put out, this game rewards fundamental basketball and punishes me-first cheeser basketball. There is a learning curve for people who play a certain way, they are going to struggle at first.

Only 11 more days...

He said it'd have core changes, but its not final 2k10 gameplay. Can't find the post where he said its 2k9.5 though.

[Rocboyz101]

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I got a beachfront home with a view of the Ocean in North Dakota I'll sell you if you really believe this.

Talking about real sim gamers here, not your average casual gamer.

[blacboy]

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If 2k waits till two days before releasing 2k10 to show vids of actual gameplay and in that gameplay you see everything you wanted in a basketball sim, then what game are you going to get.