It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

[Fiasco West]

Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

Melo was a 81 in NBA 2k4. I hate crying threads. The only issue I see is the playoff sim. That's it and it's still better than last year where bum make the playoffs like the the 76ers and the Lakers with healthy Kobe miss it.

So 90 rated players sitting in FA is cool?

This is why I don't use the generated draft classes. Last year I went through and did this:
If the players potential is above 90, I bumped it down by 5.
If the players potential is in the 80s, I bump it down by 10.
If the players potential is below 80, I bump it down by 15.
I did this with every player last year but never really got deep enough into association to see if it really worked.

But anyway, this is why I always downloaded draft classes.

Just did this for the first class.

First year, i'm going to sim the entire first year. But might have to edit two more draft classes to see if this helps with how the AI operates with trading and FA.

Also just going through the players and looking, there is a lot of variety, but someone made a point like apage back...if in the Jordan mode he comes in rated as a 79 no one should be higher.

A lot of these top prospects are well in the 80s, not only that a lot of the mid round prospects are well into the 70s. In fact in my Wiz association the players I drafted 15th and 31 overall were BOTH rated 71 and both had good potential.

This pretty much puts Josh Howard's place on the team in doubt, pushes Thornton to a mere benchwarmer...so years and years of this of highly rated rookies with great potential filling teams I can see why the AI won't trade and I can belive others when they say they are simming into the future and see Rondo and Melo just sitting there.

Hopefully just lowering the potential for every rookie fixes this, it's still a hassle if it does though. But if you play most association games not much of a hassle only took me bout 30 mins or so.

[Jukeman]

Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

I simmed an association through season 3 (2012-2013).

I gutted each draft class, knocking down anyone who was over 75 to 70 or below. Each of these players any rating over 75 was lowered to below 70. It wasn't done carefully, just lowered them quickly.

Year 2 and year 3 there were a large number of trades and free agent signings.

When the draft classes were left as-is, year 2 and year 3 there were hardly any trades (3 in year 2 and 1 in year 3) and no FA signings.

There are still some highly rated FA's unsigned. For example in 2012-2013 C. Lee is a 72 overall SG who is good from outside and perimeter D. Salary Caps may be part of this issue. Most teams have no soft cap room.

It would take a great deal of careful rookie class editing to determine where the threshold is. Over time if these rookies have high potentials would trades and FA signings stop? Does only overall count, or if there were still some rookies who were around high 70's overall but with 90+ in some attributes would that satisfy teams to where they weren't trading or signing FA's?

If I were on the payroll I'd have that time, but that time goes towards work.

Bottom line - trades and FA signing aren't "broken". Teams are filling their personnel needs with rookies, so there's no need to trade or sign FA's. This can be addressed with well designed draft classes.

Just as I thought, thanks for the test!

[fcabanski]

Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

"So 90 rated players sitting in FA is cool?"

That likely won't happen with proper draft classes.

In 2012-2013, after editing down the draft classes, the highest rated unsigned FA was a 71 overall.

There are seemingly two issues with draft classes.

1. Too many high rated players at the top. Not sure what the proper number of 80 or higher or 90 or higher players should be, but it seems there are too many.

2. This may contribute even more to the problem. The depth of quality players in each draft class (70 or higher, as well as mid 70's) is too great.

[Primerica]

Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

So you are perfectly fine with having players like Melo stay in FA for an entire year? There was an association where Jennings was in the NBDL and stayed there for a few years.

That needs to be fixed.

It used to happen in other 2k games as well. I remember Lebron was in the FA market till the season started in 2k7.

[Segagendude]

Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

This has to be a record. Just 24 hours after release, and some in this thread are already saying the game's broken and some are even saying "I'll trade it in if not fixed!"

Quickest honeymoon in history......wow.

[TooTall]

Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

It is at times like these where the PC version is the best because of the ease of editing.

Too bad there is no way to globally lower the stats of the rookies. At least we have narrowed down the problem. Thanks for the test fcabanski.

[fcabanski]

Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

The PC version is also much quicker in simming games and off season tasks.

Here's a question. How are draft classes saved? I can edit a draft class, but how would I save it for someone else to use?

[TooTall]

Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

The PC version is also much quicker in simming games and off season tasks.

Here's a question. How are draft classes saved? I can edit a draft class, but how would I save it for someone else to use?

I am not sure but I know that there is an option to DL a class from the 2K Share so obviously, there is a way to put it on there.

[ggsimmonds]

Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

This has to be a record. Just 24 hours after release, and some in this thread are already saying the game's broken and some are even saying "I'll trade it in if not fixed!"

Quickest honeymoon in history......wow.

It is amazing isn't it?
And I saw it coming. I bet many of those crying now were heralding the game as greatest ever before it was released. Remember the "this game looks so great, will a patch even be necessary?" thread?

With so much that the developers added and tweaked in one dev. cycle you have to expect things like this that will require finetuning.

[Fiasco West]

Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

Bottom line - trades and FA signing aren't "broken". Teams are filling their personnel needs with rookies, so there's no need to trade or sign FA's. This can be addressed with well designed draft classes.
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Yep, using 'Yeah...that guy' method of lowering the potential in the 2nd year i've had 17 trades total.

Teams are also picking up FAs during the season. I think it's safe to assume the rookies coming in are the problem. Teams are filling their needs and also just looking at trade value potential plays a huge part in trades.

It is amazing isn't it?
And I saw it coming. I bet many of those crying now were heralding the game as greatest ever before it was released. Remember the "this game looks so great, will a patch even be necessary?" thread?

With so much that the developers added and tweaked in one dev. cycle you have to expect things like this that will require finetuning.

Not crying here. We just want a pretty serious issue patched is all. Also yes, association for some people is THE primary reason some of us play. I will not buy a sports game with a bad franchise mode.

[LionsFanNJ]

Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

Give it like 2 or 3 weeks. Much like last year there will be multitudes of draft classes on 2k share with lower scaled rookie ratings so the only issue would be the blowout sims. I'm not worried as I'm a person that would edit rookies anyway. I hate them all coming in looking the same.

[Kudzilla]

Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

Yep, using 'Yeah...that guy' method of lowering the potential in the 2nd year i've had 17 trades total.

Teams are also picking up FAs during the season. I think it's safe to assume the rookies coming in are the problem. Teams are filling their needs and also just looking at trade value potential plays a huge part in trades.

I love the OS community, you always find a solution. no homo

[TooTall]

Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

Yep, using 'Yeah...that guy' method of lowering the potential in the 2nd year i've had 17 trades total.

Teams are also picking up FAs during the season. I think it's safe to assume the rookies coming in are the problem. Teams are filling their needs and also just looking at trade value potential plays a huge part in trades.

So all you did was lower the potential and not worry about the overall ratings?

[Kudzilla]

Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

So all you did was lower the potential and not worry about the overall ratings?

I too would like to know this

[Fiasco West]

Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

So all you did was lower the potential and not worry about the overall ratings?

Overall can't be lowered. It's greyed out. At least it is when you go into the edit at the start of the season.

I guess with lowering their potential so much you might have a shortage of great superstars, but I think that's how the league should be any ways. The guys coming in rated 80 and have over 90 potential should still develop into stars if you bump their potential down.