Bumping and canimations

[TeeDogg]

Re: Bumping and canimations

note the bump on parker by rip at the start of this vid. each possesion from the top of the key was good in this vid. I like how Ginobili doesnt go anywher near rip until Duncan comes up and sets the pick. Billups took his man off the dribble i time or two but it wasnt the norm, they were working for every inch out there.
at this stage im not trying to convince anyone, i think its a console or settings/ difficulty issue. but i do want 2K to know some of us feel (like) where they were heading with this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9HddS_88xE

[Sam Marlowe]

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note the bump on parker by rip at the start of this vid. each possesion from the top of the key was good in this vid. I like how Ginobili doesnt go anywher near rip until Duncan comes up and sets the pick. Billups took his man off the dribble i time or two but it wasnt the norm, they were working for every inch out there.
at this stage im not trying to convince anyone, i think its a console or settings/ difficulty issue. but i do want 2K to know some of us feel (like) where they were heading with this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9HddS_88xE

The vid you're referencing is a Game 7 NBA Finals featuring two of the best defensive teams we've seen in the past 10-15 years. There is only one current team (possibly two) in this game that can approach that level of physicality and skill on the defensive end. The level of intensity, skill, and focus we see on defense in that vid should be the exception, not the rule.

[TeeDogg]

Re: Bumping and canimations

The vid you're referencing is a Game 7 NBA Finals featuring two of the best defensive teams we've seen in the past 10-15 years. There is only one current team (possibly two) in this game that can approach that level of physicality and skill on the defensive end. The level of intensity, skill, and focus we see on defense in that vid should be the exception, not the rule.

lol, ok how about the griz and clipps?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UFzz7X1rV0

[TeeDogg]

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one last post. notice how parker and kidd, two of the best ball handlers in the game dont do alot of dribbling in the half court sets, openings are created with ball movement , motion offence, screens and picks. isos are created by backing off the D using stutters,crosses and drastic direction change (which work well in the game). all im saying im feeling it 2k. i think sometime we confuse the highlight reels on sprtcenter with the actual game flow. except those who may be having problems with their version of the game or chosen settings. im watching the heat and Cs now, and im thinking how well they nailed the different ellements of the sport.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwgHiiJBIsc

[TeeDogg]

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note the first few possesions the ball handler didnt wait for the screens, check out the results. after that not much dribbling without one. they attacked the basket if the D was out of position once or twice. other than that pass the ball or call for a screen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSNZvHwzPFI

[eko718]

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Does anybody else notice that the game feels easy again? Defense feels lax. I don't know what the eff is going on. This game feels different every week to me.

[dipset2050]

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@ TeeDog - See, that's what I've been trying to say! People claim they want what they see on TV but what they REALLY want is what they see on Sportscenter.

First night in the NBA and how many people did we see just dribbling around the entire team or even destroying their check w/o a pick or a set play? Very little if any.

I swear that if tonight's Heat v Celtics game were a game of NBA 2K11, most people on this forum would have reset the game. They won't tolerate LBJ missing open jumpers or Wade only having 9 points and not dunking on 8 people or crossing up Daniels all night.

I keep seeing people say that most people in the league can beat their check off the dribble and I don't understand what basketball games they are watching......if it was that easy then EVERYONE would just isolate everyone else. I don't see Erick Spolstra running isolation plays for Carlos Arroyo or Eddie House......

I pray the patch does nothing at all and they lie about it changing everything.

[eko718]

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^^^ Yeah, the concept of guys being able to beat their defender off the dribble every time is well overblown. Lebron and Wade barely even ran iso's today. Some of it has to do with lane congestion due to help defense, some has to do with good on the ball defense. Either way, 2K had the right balance on launch day. Collisions are vital, especially in the paint. Somehow, I feel like the game hasn't quite been right lately. Collisions and contact in the paint feel muted and I feel like its quite easy to take it to the rim lately even on Superstar/Sim. Notice there was not a SINGLE dunk that took place in the halfcourt today...only in transition.

Believe it or not I want to be able to have a game like we saw today in 2K, and I could at launch. Now the game seems faster again and D feels suspect. I am actually losing interest in the game at this point.

[Kaanyr Vhok]

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The hesitation was a flaw of 2k10's isomotion, but besides needing to handle the change of speed and direction a lil better, it was very solid when at 75.

You played 2k10 with a 75 in speed?

[Kaanyr Vhok]

Re: Bumping and canimations

^^^ Yeah, the concept of guys being able to beat their defender off the dribble every time is well overblown. Lebron and Wade barely even ran iso's today. Some of it has to do with lane congestion due to help defense, some has to do with good on the ball defense. Either way, 2K had the right balance on launch day. Collisions are vital, especially in the paint. Somehow, I feel like the game hasn't quite been right lately. Collisions and contact in the paint feel muted and I feel like its quite easy to take it to the rim lately even on Superstar/Sim. Notice there was not a SINGLE dunk that took place in the halfcourt today...only in transition.

Believe it or not I want to be able to have a game like we saw today in 2K, and I could at launch. Now the game seems faster again and D feels suspect. I am actually losing interest in the game at this point.

It is. It really is. I was watching the Trail Blazer game and when Nash was isolated against Camby and Aldridge most of the time he would shoot. The one time he drove was when they bit on the step back thinking he was going to shoot. Now how often do you see that online? When I have a big on someone online they drive and its so predictable they are easy to guard then they complain that Oden was guarding Kobe. Well hell I could guard Kobe if I knew he was going to drive baseline.

Maybe not, bur knowing what he was going to do would help my effort.

[TeeDogg]

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Maybe not, bur knowing what he was going to do would help my effort.

LOL, Im sure youd shut Kobe down. dont sell yourself short. LOL

[Jesus]

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You played 2k10 with a 75 in speed?

75 man defense

[Sam Marlowe]

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@ TeeDog - See, that's what I've been trying to say! People claim they want what they see on TV but what they REALLY want is what they see on Sportscenter.

First night in the NBA and how many people did we see just dribbling around the entire team or even destroying their check w/o a pick or a set play? Very little if any.

I swear that if tonight's Heat v Celtics game were a game of NBA 2K11, most people on this forum would have reset the game. They won't tolerate LBJ missing open jumpers or Wade only having 9 points and not dunking on 8 people or crossing up Daniels all night.

I keep seeing people say that most people in the league can beat their check off the dribble and I don't understand what basketball games they are watching......if it was that easy then EVERYONE would just isolate everyone else. I don't see Erick Spolstra running isolation plays for Carlos Arroyo or Eddie House......

I pray the patch does nothing at all and they lie about it changing everything.

Point us to the posts where guys are saying they want to do any of the things you've mentioned here. Namely iso and dunk whenever and never miss open shots.

[Sam Marlowe]

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lol, ok how about the griz and clipps?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UFzz7X1rV0

This is why sample size is so important when determining defensive abilities. Consistently great defensive teams are pretty rare.

[TeeDogg]

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This is why sample size is so important when determining defensive abilities. Consistently great defensive teams are pretty rare.

you are correct, but i think what seperates the greats is their success rate. can the other team still find a way to score. just about all teams pressure the ball handler once he nears the 3pt line (varries depending on context) you dont see alot of dribbling they get up in his chest, bump, and force him to call for a screen or pass the ball. ( i love how Magic begged for one when pippen pressed him. that step back animation to regroup is something no gamer would do on his own after getting cut off. we'd continue to cross over and try to speed burst around him. (me included)