Bumping and canimations

[eko718]

Re: Bumping and canimations

You're only blowing by people because of a combination of settings, sliders and spamming iso moves. Spamming iso moves is not the desired affect for people who like a realistic playstyle. I can do that too. I refuse to. I don't want to play an and1 game, I want to play an NBA game.

Don't make that assumption. I play on Superstar/Sim with no additional slider adjustments other than Help D at 70 and I can get around my defender majority of the time. I do not spam Iso in the least bit. It only really takes one or two sharp moves to create space. Moreover, getting by a defender in an NBA game requires shifting momentum and/or taking proper angles. Do you expect that you should just be able to run by an NBA defender with no resistance? Guys like Wade, Westbrook, D Rose etc. are of the variety who have a quick enough first step to just blow by a defender at times, but this is not a common trait.

Some of the people complaining about the bumping might actually be the ones playing unrealistically. This is not a game where you can jam it in to the lane every time down the court and that's what makes it special.

Edit: Also, I wish people would realize that crossovers/isomotion is not the ONLY way to get by the defender. There are so many offensive weapons in this game, to dumb down the defense is a very dangerous move. Triple threat is very effective as well.

[BegBy]

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Don't make that assumption. I play on Superstar/Sim with no additional slider adjustments other than Help D at 70 and I can get around my defender majority of the time. I do not spam Iso in the least bit. It only really takes one or two sharp moves to create space.

Some of the people complaining about the bumping might actually be the ones playing unrealistically. This is not a game where you can jam it in to the lane every time down the court and that's what makes it special.

You're right, I shouldn't have assumed that, my bad. Honestly I can get by defenders almost as easily w/o a cross as I can with. I kinda hate the feel of it, and more to the point, it's not as engaging. It's not just crossing a guy up for me either. It's just general things like step out, triple threat cut offs and simple things. In the post I love to play guys as they would, so facing up a lot of the time is what I do. Usually followed by a jab into a roll shot or a blow by, but lately 80% of the time, they just jump in front of me.

Anyway we are on the right track here with all this feedback, and again I apologize for the assumption to everyone reading.

[TeeDogg]

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Don't make that assumption. I play on Superstar/Sim with no additional slider adjustments other than Help D at 70 and I can get around my defender majority of the time. I do not spam Iso in the least bit. It only really takes one or two sharp moves to create space.

Some of the people complaining about the bumping might actually be the ones playing unrealistically. This is not a game where you can jam it in to the lane every time down the court and that's what makes it special.

Edit: Also, I wish people would realize that crossovers/isomotion is not the ONLY way to get by the defender. There are so many offensive weapons in this game, to dumb down the defense is a very dangerous move. Triple threat is very effective as well.

good post, also there is something to be said for taking what the D gives you. everytime you create space its not to drive the lane. shoot the J, SHOOT IT! (prince form Dave Chapelle show LOL)

[BegBy]

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good post, also there is something to be said for taking what the D gives you. everytime you create space its not to drive the lane. shoot the J, SHOOT IT! (prince form Dave Chapelle show LOL)

I agree but often times you may want to dribble to get space to pass and not shoot since the ball is going through a scrub to finish a play. Or the play fell apart and they can't shoot from that spot and are slashers, etc. I don't want NBA Jam, but I don't want the Ravens defense out there either.

[TeeDogg]

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You're right, I shouldn't have assumed that, my bad. Honestly I can get by defenders almost as easily w/o a cross as I can with. I kinda hate the feel of it, and more to the point, it's not as engaging. It's not just crossing a guy up for me either. It's just general things like step out, triple threat cut offs and simple things. In the post I love to play guys as they would, so facing up a lot of the time is what I do. Usually followed by a jab into a roll shot or a blow by, but lately 80% of the time, they just jump in front of me.

Anyway we are on the right track here with all this feedback, and again I apologize for the assumption to everyone reading.

thats right, talking this stuff out hopefully helps the devs when making choices. we just waited along time for a game like this, and usualy love 2ks patches but this time i fear they may respond to some complaints prematurley.

[TeeDogg]

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I agree but often times you may want to dribble to get space to pass and not shoot since the ball is going through a scrub to finish a play. Or the play fell apart and they can't shoot from that spot and are slashers, etc. I don't want NBA Jam, but I don't want the Ravens defense out there either.

you cant find any difficulty level/slider combo to give you some ballance? try cranking up the user ballhandleing slider in conjunction with lowering on ball D for the cpu

[BegBy]

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One of the problems I saw frequently was that the bumps caused the ballhandler to go back when physics says the ballhandler's force should have caused the defender to get bumped back. So it's not that the bumps shouldn't occur, is that the results that should have happened as a result didn't occur.

Exactly. Mind you I would like the frequency to be toned down a fair amount, but for the love of ball, don't bounce me around the court during contact. Get rid of that animation, it's horrible.

[BegBy]

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you cant find any difficulty level/slider combo to give you some ballance? try cranking up the user ballhandleing slider in conjunction with lowering on ball D for the cpu

I can't lower on ball D past 0, and that just leaves the D open to getting crossed over horribly when I do put it that low. This not a solution to suck in magnet like D animations and bumping.

[Kaanyr Vhok]

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Interesting thread. Great post by Da Czar. It covered a lot and Mos1ted made some good points with that video. I can see the need to adjust some things with the patch. My advice to Beluba is that you can add some non-charge button blocks and charges in moderation but the real change is comestic. All you need to do from 13ft and out is have the defender give a little ground instead of the stonewall bump. At 13ft and you can keep the bump but replace it with the forearm style legal handcheck.

http://www.2ksports.com/forums/showthread.php?t=269859

Good list of what could or should be addressed in a patch.




Another thing... you can blow right by defenders in this game. I see it all the time online and unlike previous games it happens at a real NBA rate.

[Serra11]

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http://www.2ksports.com/forums/showthread.php?t=269859

Good list of what could or should be addressed in a patch.

Wow they care alot about Association...
just one request...
At least we have a good thread here thanks to simballer.

[BegBy]

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Another thing... you can blow right by defenders in this game. I see it all the time online and unlike previous games it happens at a real NBA rate.

Good thing you pointed that out!!! Problem solved!!!!

[TeeDogg]

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I can't lower on ball D past 0, and that just leaves the D open to getting crossed over horribly when I do put it that low. This not a solution to suck in magnet like D animations and bumping.

sorry just trying to help you solve your OP. good luck. but it sounds as if you solution lies between the settings described in the OP and the one quoted here

[BegBy]

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sorry just trying to help you solve your OP. good luck. but it sounds as if you solution lies between the settings described in the OP and the one quoted here

After re-reading my original post, the one you're referring to here, and this post I am quoting, I quite literally have no idea what you mean.

[stillfeelme]

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I can't lower on ball D past 0, and that just leaves the D open to getting crossed over horribly when I do put it that low. This not a solution to suck in magnet like D animations and bumping.

I agree man I don't know what happened to my sliders as of yesterday. I didn't want to limit the bumping completely so I lowered mine to 20 and that helped out. I have been playing bad teams vs. bad teams good vs bad and good vs good. However I don't know what happened yesterday but it seems my sliders are not helping out. Steve Nash and the Suns are now excellent on ball defenders against D. Rose. It could be just me but I need to try again later.

[TeeDogg]

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After re-reading my original post, the one you're referring to here, and this post I am quoting, I quite literally have no idea what you mean.

sorry i wasnt clear. the OP refered to exsessive bumping. the slider adjustments to zero lead to being easily crossed in the previously quoted post. hence find a combination of sliders that provide a happy median for you. unless im miss reading.