Bumping and canimations

[ehh]

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Once I put quickness and vertical at zero I became satisfied.

[BegBy]

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The more I play and watch what happens the more obvious it becomes. Guys guess where you're going, and they hop there with both feet planted to cut you off unless you just go nuts with iso. Also when you get near another player they automatically drop their assignment of guarding their man and assume guarding you with Ron Artest like ability. Very often they go for an on ball steal, but even if they don't you bounce off them or drop your dribble.

It's pretty bad when Jose Calderon (a pretty weak defender) can shut down Baron Davis in an iso play. Just stand there and Davis magically bumps into him and does some crap animation and has no option now but to pass or get moved into some other area of the court.

Would love to see this patched, so it can be removed via sliders. It's a horrible idea and offers terrible gameplay.

[tcnumba10]

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Once I put quickness and vertical at zero I became satisfied.

Like what he said, it can be fixed my adjusting ur slider or you can even change your game-style to Default or Casual. I hope 2K doesn't patch it because there are others who enjoy it.

[BegBy]

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Like what he said, it can be fixed my adjusting ur slider or you can even change your game-style to Default or Casual. I hope 2K doesn't patch it because there are others who enjoy it.

The sliders are not doing anything for me. Just making the cpu more likely to get crossed over very badly. That's not what I want at all. I am not asking for them to remove it, I am asking for them to make it so sliders can remove it.

I get how some people like it as it's the only way to defend cheese fests, or people who try to turn the game into a Rucker Park all star game with mad handles and dunks. But I assure you, that's the last thing I want. I just don't want Calderon stop Baron Davis w/o pressing a button. Hell, I don't want Calderon stopping Davis on an iso ever.

NBA Defenders impede progress and try to influence where and possibly when a ballhandler is going to go, in hopes of help defense assisting them. They do not stonewall every guy. Calderon would never ever stop Davis in a one on one. Never.

[BezO]

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Lower the collisions slider and on the ball defense slider.

OK, where are these sliders?

This was finally getting on my nerves but I couldn't find any sliders I thought would fix it.

[eko718]

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Really? I'm still having the same problems with the 10/12 Roster (less contact, easier to dunk).

OK, when I started up the game just now and played a Quick Game, it seems that the game is back to normal...I don't know if it's a placebo affect after reading your post but it seems that it's really hard to get into the lane and dunk again, which is awesome!

I don't know what changed from last nite, I did not touch the sliders or settings but it does feel CONTACT is back! It could be my mind, but I believe it's the Server, cause I did not download anything (roster), after I booted up the game and log on to the 2K Servers the game felt like it felt when I first played it.

Lol... the power of suggestion. Nah, but the game does feel right again. The contact in the lane and help defense are intact.

OK, where are these sliders?

This was finally getting on my nerves but I couldn't find any sliders I thought would fix it.

To be more specific, Driving contact shot frequency and Inside Contact shot frequency. Its under defense in the Sliders menu. Decreasing on the ball defense under attributes might also help.

[BegBy]

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No slider makes a lick of difference right now. I just tried to walk right as the ball was in my left hand, and the defender 'jumped my position' and stopped me dead, which lead to me trying again, but this time with a crossover and he 'jumped' my spot again and then I had to pass. This was near halfcourt.

I literally shut the game off. Can't play it like this. Sucks because I need an NBA game, but I need one that doesn't have 5 of the world's best defenders on the court, on every team at all times. I also need one where the refs see that the defender's really aren't that good, they are just doing ******** crap and call fouls.

[Mos1ted]

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To the detractors, notice there's no physical contact presence. Because non-incidental physical contact is a foul. This is something 2K has to look at to resolve their on-ball defense issues.


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[BezO]

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To be more specific, Driving contact shot frequency and Inside Contact shot frequency. Its under defense in the Sliders menu. Decreasing on the ball defense under attributes might also help.[/QUOTE]Ahhh, thanks!

[BegBy]

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Those are great video examples. In the NBA guys beat defenders constantly, as the rules favor the ballhandler. First steps, triple threat pivots and step outs are basic skills that 95% of NBA players have, and use. Simple shoulder movements, head fakes and very slight ball handles greatly influence the best of on ball defenders because it's not about just getting beat, it's about getting called for a foul out of position and they know they can rely on help D. You impede progress, generally, you do not outright stop it.

In 2k11 in either of those vids the ballhandler would be bumped, or sucked in, resulting in some absolutely terrible animation, and thusly ruining the game for me.

Remove these animations via a slider patch, and for the love of basketball remove the second defender's robot like ability to snag the ballhandler and render the play dead. Or at least remove the dumb suck in animations and such.

[Disappoint]

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This pretty much ruins the game for me. I've been playing a lot less because it's just not fun to me the way driving to the basket works. I want to be able to play realistically, the way things are to get to the hole you have to do 3-4 Iso moves and start your dunk/layup animation before the defenders bump animation starts.

I don't feel like I'm playing basketball, guys, I feel like I'm playing a video game.

[eko718]

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Those are great video examples. In the NBA guys beat defenders constantly, as the rules favor the ballhandler. First steps, triple threat pivots and step outs are basic skills that 95% of NBA players have, and use. Simple shoulder movements, head fakes and very slight ball handles greatly influence the best of on ball defenders because it's not about just getting beat, it's about getting called for a foul out of position and they know they can rely on help D. You impede progress, generally, you do not outright stop it.

In 2k11 in either of those vids the ballhandler would be bumped, or sucked in, resulting in some absolutely terrible animation, and thusly ruining the game for me.

Remove these animations via a slider patch, and for the love of basketball remove the second defender's robot like ability to snag the ballhandler and render the play dead. Or at least remove the dumb suck in animations and such.

Or, just practice or reduce your level. I barely get the 'bumping' animations on the perimeter. I beat my defender constantly when I have superior ball handlers. If you utilize isomotion better, you will have more success.

People keep talking about removing the 'bumping' but that's how the game is made. If they remove this via patch who knows the host of other imbalances it may cause. The 'bumping' is really just a collision between to bodies which is absolutely realistic. If you are running straight into your defender there will be a collision, real life or game. Its not perfect, but the game is the closest thing to the NBA ever made. Lets try to learn it before deconstructing it.

[Disappoint]

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Or, just practice or reduce your level. I barely get the 'bumping' animations on the perimeter. I beat my defender constantly when I have superior ball handlers. If you utilize isomotion better, you will have more success.

People keep talking about removing the 'bumping' but that's how the game is made. If they remove this via patch who knows the host of other imbalances it may cause. The 'bumping' is really just a collision between to bodies which is absolutely realistic. If you are running straight into your defender there will be a collision, real life or game. Its not perfect, but the game is the closest thing to the NBA ever made. Lets try to learn it before deconstructing it.

So you found a way to exploit the poor AI with Iso moves. Wonderful, I can do that too. But it's boring and i'd rather play realistically.

Yes, we know that there should be bumping. But guess what? Refs are going to call blocking every single time a defender is moving his feet and collides into the ball handler. Also, in real life you don't see defenders strafing as fast as Aaron Brooks can run. You don't see defenders shifting over in a split second when they get beat off the dribble.

Don't tell me this is realistic when it clearly isn't.

[eko718]

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So you found a way to exploit the poor AI with Iso moves. Wonderful, I can do that too. But it's boring and i'd rather play realistically.

Yes, we know that there should be bumping. But guess what? Refs are going to call blocking every single time a defender is moving his feet and collides into the ball handler. Also, in real life you don't see defenders strafing as fast as Aaron Brooks can run. You don't see defenders shifting over in a split second when they get beat off the dribble.

Don't tell me this is realistic when it clearly isn't.

I wasn't responding to you. Sorry your having issues. Good luck.

[Disappoint]

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I wasn't responding to you. Sorry your having issues. Good luck.

I know you weren't, I was just addressing the comments you made. I'm not having any issues, I just find it highly insulting when people pretend like legitimate problems with the game are just in our imaginations and everything is absolutely perfect so we should all just learn to deal with it.