Bedwardsroy19 30-Team Control Association Guide/Discussion

[qpc123]

Re: Bedwardsroy19 30-Team Control Association Guide/Discussion

Actually, there not allowed to come back and play until the end of Chinese playoffs, so they can sign on March 31st

If the Chinese team they play for doesn't make the playoffs, then they can sign when the season is over.

Here's a quote from the ESPN article about teams pursing Martin, I will link to it aslo.

"Martin could potentially sign with an NBA club when the CBA(Chinese Basketball Association) season ends Feb. 16."

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/7511134/sources-miami-heat-los-angeles-clippers-teams-pursuing-kenyon-martin?eleven=twelve

[SwaggerCoach]

Re: Bedwardsroy19 30-Team Control Association Guide/Discussion

For anyone interested,

I ran through a practice run of the offseason idea DPauley and I came up with. In a nutshell, players go through a "randomization" process where 1 player from the team will lose 1-4 overall points and 1 player has a 50% chance of gaining 1-4 overall points.

We did this to throw a curve ball into how predictable 2k's player progression system is and to also balance out the league so that in year 10, you won't see as many all-stars sitting in free agency because of an abundance of league talent.

Here are the results of my first run through...took me about 40 minutes:

Total OVR + pts: 32 (12 players)
Total OVR - pts: 70 (30 players)

12 teams had a player improve (50% chance):
DJ Augustin +4
Derrick Rose +3
Derron Williams +4
Ty Lawson +4
Marquis Teague (rookie) +1
Ricky Rubio +2
LeBryan Nash (rookie) +3
Eric Gordon +1
Paul Pierce +3
Perry Jones (rookie) +2
Gerald Wallace +3
Blake Griffin +2

Notable declines:
Corey Maggette -3
JJ Hickson -4
Terrance Jones (rookie) -2
Metta World Peace -3
Ian Mahinmi -3
Darren Collison -2
James Anderson -4
TJ Ford -4
Greg Oden -3

Analysis: The original rule we came up with stated that players cannot decline/improve 3 years in a row...I think it would be wise and amend the rule to a player can only improve/decline once each per career.

I'm pleased with how the first run through turned out. The Bulls, Bobcats, Clippers, Nets, Timberwolves, Nuggets, and Celtics really looked out with key players upgrading their skills. On the other hand, the Kings, Trailblazers, and Spurs took a hit with Hickson, Anderson, and Oden declining. I was also pleased to see Terrance Jones take a hit...simulating a potential draft bust.

In the past, signing players to long term contracts typically had a very low level of risk because you could predict how good a player would end up and when he would start declining (the only thing you were afraid of were injuries). Now, every long term deal you put out there will require some thought because one of your players could have an ugly offseason.

I'm going to apply this to my own association mode and see how things turn out! Again, DPauley and I are open to any questions or suggestions!

[qpc123]

Re: Bedwardsroy19 30-Team Control Association Guide/Discussion

Is the 3-point shot tendency progression predictable? We know that bigs who don't/rarely shoot the three will have their tendency rise. Is there a set amount that it seems to move? Like everyone's tendency goes up 7 points every offseason.

We may have to get a community project going to track three point tendencies or at least add a page to the guide that has everyone's starting 3 point tendency on it, so that we know what to set it back to in the offseason.

On a completely unrelated note, is it just me or is the association news on the home page constantly dominated by injury news from the D-league? 3 of the six stories on mine are D'league injuries right now. I lost Daequan Cook for 6-8 weeks with a broken ankle and that doesn't make the 'news', but the 12th man on a D-league team has a sore foot and that's a 'top' story. WTH?

[SwaggerCoach]

Re: Bedwardsroy19 30-Team Control Association Guide/Discussion

Is the 3-point shot tendency progression predictable? We know that bigs who don't/rarely shoot the three will have their tendency rise. Is there a set amount that it seems to move? Like everyone's tendency goes up 7 points every offseason.

We may have to get a community project going to track three point tendencies or at least add a page to the guide that has everyone's starting 3 point tendency on it, so that we know what to set it back to in the offseason.

I'm sure if we took the time to analyze it, we'd find a certain player overall rating that triggers the progression every year. Would like to know this too so we can fix it in the offseason.

[Dpauley23]

Re: Bedwardsroy19 30-Team Control Association Guide/Discussion

If the Chinese team they play for doesn't make the playoffs, then they can sign when the season is over.

Here's a quote from the ESPN article about teams pursing Martin, I will link to it aslo.

"Martin could potentially sign with an NBA club when the CBA(Chinese Basketball Association) season ends Feb. 16."

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/75...?eleven=twelve

Thanks for the article. I thought players weren't allowed to leave to end of the playoffs, but I guess it's just when the team is done playing. I guess this means Martin's team won't make the playoffs

[qpc123]

Re: Bedwardsroy19 30-Team Control Association Guide/Discussion

I'm sure if we took the time to analyze it, we'd find a certain player overall rating that triggers the progression every year. Would like to know this too so we can fix it in the offseason.

I'm not too worried about right now since I'm only 14-15 games into season one, but it does need to be figured out for those who run short seasons or sim a lot their games.

[tarek]

Re: Bedwardsroy19 30-Team Control Association Guide/Discussion

Why fire D Antoni? Is it his fault his GM chose to trade a cohesive group for an overrated ball hog? Amare is not that effective w/o a competent PG which he had in Felton. Baron is a scorer and he wont make life easier for them.

Trust me I know full well that the Knicks FO and moreso owner gutted what was an exciting and promising team for the 2 'star' concept.

However, D'Antoni has proven to be a sub par coach regardless over the last 4 seasons. His rotations are poor, his play calling is poor and his go to strategy is to try and have the team shoot themselves out of any poor situation.

The Knicks organisation (unfortunately for us poor fans) is a mess but can be salvaged with a coach who utilizes players correctly and more importantly holds them accountable for poor plays.

But that's a mega rant, and all I want is to dump him from my virtual Knicks sidelines.

[tarek]

Re: Bedwardsroy19 30-Team Control Association Guide/Discussion

For anyone interested,

I ran through a practice run of the offseason idea DPauley and I came up with. In a nutshell, players go through a "randomization" process where 1 player from the team will lose 1-4 overall points and 1 player has a 50% chance of gaining 1-4 overall points.

We did this to throw a curve ball into how predictable 2k's player progression system is and to also balance out the league so that in year 10, you won't see as many all-stars sitting in free agency because of an abundance of league talent.

Here are the results of my first run through...took me about 40 minutes:

Total OVR + pts: 32 (12 players)
Total OVR - pts: 70 (30 players)

12 teams had a player improve (50% chance):
DJ Augustin +4
Derrick Rose +3
Derron Williams +4
Ty Lawson +4
Marquis Teague (rookie) +1
Ricky Rubio +2
LeBryan Nash (rookie) +3
Eric Gordon +1
Paul Pierce +3
Perry Jones (rookie) +2
Gerald Wallace +3
Blake Griffin +2

Notable declines:
Corey Maggette -3
JJ Hickson -4
Terrance Jones (rookie) -2
Metta World Peace -3
Ian Mahinmi -3
Darren Collison -2
James Anderson -4
TJ Ford -4
Greg Oden -3

Analysis: The original rule we came up with stated that players cannot decline/improve 3 years in a row...I think it would be wise and amend the rule to a player can only improve/decline once each per career.

I'm pleased with how the first run through turned out. The Bulls, Bobcats, Clippers, Nets, Timberwolves, Nuggets, and Celtics really looked out with key players upgrading their skills. On the other hand, the Kings, Trailblazers, and Spurs took a hit with Hickson, Anderson, and Oden declining. I was also pleased to see Terrance Jones take a hit...simulating a potential draft bust.

In the past, signing players to long term contracts typically had a very low level of risk because you could predict how good a player would end up and when he would start declining (the only thing you were afraid of were injuries). Now, every long term deal you put out there will require some thought because one of your players could have an ugly offseason.

I'm going to apply this to my own association mode and see how things turn out! Again, DPauley and I are open to any questions or suggestions!

I really really like this progression idea but wonder how you propose to manage the limit of once per career? Do you propose that the odds remain the same and if a player is selected to improve or decline a subsequent time then that change is missed? Or would it be transferred to another player? i.e. roll the dice again.

I can just see that if it's transferred there might be too much change whilst missing out might result in too little change after a few years as the real odds get quite low.

[SwaggerCoach]

Re: Bedwardsroy19 30-Team Control Association Guide/Discussion

I really really like this progression idea but wonder how you propose to manage the limit of once per career? Do you propose that the odds remain the same and if a player is selected to improve or decline a subsequent time then that change is missed? Or would it be transferred to another player? i.e. roll the dice again.

I can just see that if it's transferred there might be too much change whilst missing out might result in too little change after a few years as the real odds get quite low.

Yeah something like that. I guess what I had in mind was that the player would no longer be selectable for decline/improvement if he had been selected before.

[leoalure]

Re: Bedwardsroy19 30-Team Control Association Guide/Discussion

Okay here is the deal...<O</O

Orlando and New Jersey are struggling in my Association. The Magic are 15-16 and the Nets are 12-18. Dwight is going nowhere without any help. I tried to trade him to NJ but the trade is impossible. So, I made a 3 team trade.

Let me know what you think...<O</O
Nets Trade: Deron Williams (ORL), Brook Lopez (HOU), Anthony Morrow (ORL)<O</O
Magic Trade: '12 1st Round Pick (NJ), Jameer Nelson (NJ), Hedo Turkoglu (HOU)<O</O
Rockets Trade: Kevin Martin (NJ), Samuel Dalembert (NJ)<O</O

The Magic get D Williams and Morrow to play the 3. Nets get a PG is Nelson, a C in Dalembert and a scorer in K-Mart; they also get another 1st round pick which gives them 3 total for 2012. The rockets get the steal of the trade because they get a true center in Lopez to team with Scola and a good shooter/ Point Forward in Turkoglu.<O</O
This was as real as I could get it and I am blending a little bit of realism with what is going on in my association. If a team is struggling when they should not I will look to improve them at the right time...<O</O
Let me know what you guys think<O</O
<O</O

[zay916]

Re: Bedwardsroy19 30-Team Control Association Guide/Discussion

The Rockets get screwed in that deal. The only way i see HOU coming away with a good deal is if you throw in some unprotected first round picks from NJ. Lopez is a downgrade from Dalembert in my opinion. Lopez has ZERO defense and rebounding and he needs the ball to be productive.

[Dpauley23]

Re: Bedwardsroy19 30-Team Control Association Guide/Discussion

The Rockets get screwed in that deal. The only way i see HOU coming away with a good deal is if you throw in some unprotected first round picks from NJ. Lopez is a downgrade from Dalembert in my opinion. Lopez has ZERO defense and rebounding and he needs the ball to be productive.

While I agree with you that it's bad deal for Houston, I don't see how Lopez is downgrade over Dalembert. The guy averages 20/9 in any season I have simmed

[zay916]

Re: Bedwardsroy19 30-Team Control Association Guide/Discussion

While I agree with you that it's bad deal for Houston, I don't see how Lopez is downgrade over Dalembert. The guy averages 20/9 in any season I have simmed

Ok I did exaggerate, I'm just not too high on Lopez right now.

[qpc123]

Re: Bedwardsroy19 30-Team Control Association Guide/Discussion

Ok I did exaggerate, I'm just not too high on Lopez right now.

It's ok, the Nets aren't too high on Lopez either. They didn't even offer to extend him, lol.

[zay916]

Re: Bedwardsroy19 30-Team Control Association Guide/Discussion

Hey guys i'm thinking about making my own cba in future years of the association. And maybe a few season format and rule changes.