Bedwardsroy19 30-Team Control Association Guide/Discussion

[BoSoxPujols]

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I'm the Bulls. Kicking around ways to get Mayo. Was thinking of CJ Watson and a 1st rounder pick for Mayo.

Watson and Jimmy Butler for Mayo?

Which seems more fair?

[BasedTaylor]

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Could L.A. trade Griffin for Howard?
Here are five (hypothetical) trade scenarios that would make sense for both teams
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Believe it or not, a Blake Griffin-Dwight Howard swap could work for both L.A. and Orlando.
The March 15 trade deadline is more than six weeks away, but that doesn't mean we can't have a little fun with trade "projections." We use that word lightly, since these following scenarios are not deals in the works or rumors we've heard. They're just moves we think make sense, moves that could help both teams, moves that GMs can feel free to borrow if they are so inclined. And all of them work financially.

So let's start big, as in big enough to rock the landscape of the entire league. Big enough to put lots of fear in all three early NBA Finals favorites -- the Miami Heat, Chicago Bulls and Oklahoma City Thunder.

1. Los Angeles Clippers trade Blake Griffin and DeAndre Jordan to the Orlando Magic for Dwight Howard and Ryan Anderson
Yes, I went there. I hate to break up the Clippers, a team I have predicted will win the Western Conference. But Howard is the greatest big man in the league by a mile, and the chance to pair him with Chris Paul, arguably the league's best pure point guard, is just too good to pass up.


Giving up both Griffin and Jordan for Howard alone is too much, but throwing Anderson into the deal makes it something I believe is fair for both sides.

There is one caveat to this trade: Jordan has to give his consent. Because the Clippers matched the offer sheet the Golden State Warriors gave Jordan, the 7-foot center has the right to reject any trade for one year from his signing date, which was in mid-December. Though I imagine Jordan would consent, since he then would be aware the Clippers are looking to move him, there is the risk he would decline. If that happened, the Clippers' chemistry could be destroyed, as both Jordan and Griffin could be upset, and this season could go down the drain.

Nonetheless, this deal would work for both clubs. First, for the Clippers: While it would be hard to part with Griffin, not only for his 22 points and 11 rebounds but also for the exciting brand of play that has made him must-see TV, there is little doubt the Clippers would improve by getting Howard. For all his excellence, Griffin still does not have a go-to move; he may be even more raw than Howard, who has developed a nice running hook shot. Howard is a better rebounder and the best defender in the league, so while losing Griffin and Jordan would hurt, the Clippers would improve in two of their weakest areas (defense and rebounding).

Actually, make that three areas -- their foul-shooting would improve, too. While Howard is a poor free-throw shooter, Anderson is one of the best in the league at 91 percent. Adding Anderson, whose seven rebounds per game matches Jordan's output, would give the Clippers a 3-point shooter to stretch the floor for Howard's paint touches and Paul's drives.

While I'm one of the few who have picked the Clippers to reach the Finals this season, I'm sure many, if not most, observers would have them Finals-bound if they make this move. And just as important, Los Angeles finally would be theirs (at least for the next five seasons). No question about it.

And if you're Orlando, it doesn't get any better than this. Chances are you're losing Dwight anyway, and this is about as close to equal value as it gets. This is better than getting Andrew Bynum, even better than getting Bynum and Pau Gasol, due to the latter's age. It's better than Amare Stoudemire and Tyson Chandler, better than Brook Lopez and a host of draft picks. The Magic would remain a playoff team and still be among the league's most exciting draws. Magic fans would forget about Howard faster than a speeding bullet.

2. New York Knicks trade Carmelo Anthony to the New Jersey Nets for Deron Williams
Yes, I went there, too. The only thing keeping Williams sane in New Jersey is the belief that Howard soon will fly in with his cape and instantly transform the Nets from chumps to potential champs. But if Howard goes elsewhere (see above), Williams will begin looking around, as he should.

Williams has come to love living in New York City (who can blame him after all those years in Utah?), and the Knicks are one of the three teams he would most like to play for outside of the Nets (the Dallas Mavericks and the Los Angeles Lakers are the others).

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Anthony is not an ideal fit for coach Mike D'Antoni's offense.
While we love Anthony's scoring ability, there's no question that he is not helping the Knicks. Stoudemire has become a $100 million traffic cone next to Anthony, and the Knicks' offense looks like something straight out of Rucker Park. Anthony fits Mike D'Antoni's offense about as well as Shannon Sharpe's blazers, and unless Baron Davis turns back the clock five years, the Knicks will be fortunate to make the playoffs this season.

But with Williams at the controls, Stoudemire will feel like he's playing with Steve Nash again. And Tyson Chandler will be better served as well, what with the easy baskets Williams will get him. Suddenly, the Knicks will be the third-best team in the East, with improvement on the horizon.

The Nets would not become a contender with Anthony, but they would have the star, a Brooklyn-born one at that, to lead them into their new digs. While his ability to win big may be up for debate, there is no question that Anthony puts on a show. He'll give the Brooklyn fans 27 points a night and provide the best one-man fireworks the city has seen since Bernard King.

Beyond that, the Nets still will have the cap room and draft picks to build around Melo. That's what Melo needs -- a team built around him, a la the Denver Nuggets in 2009. Denver was a legit contender with Anthony, so the Nets could follow that blueprint -- hard, tough-nosed defenders and rebounders who don't care about offense (Nene, Kenyon Martin, Chris Andersen), plus shooters (J.R. Smith, Linas Kleiza) and a true point guard (Chauncey Billups). No, it's not the instant contender the Nets are dreaming about with Williams and Howard, but it beats losing Williams for nada this summer.

3. Lakers trade Pau Gasol and Darius Morris to the Houston Rockets for Luis Scola and Kyle Lowry
Without Gasol, the Lakers don't win their last two championships, period. But time moves on -- and so do players, even stars. The Lakers need a shake-up and with Howard (at least in the above scenario) going to the next-door neighbor Clippers, the Lakers can't rely on Superman bailing them out. So I suggest moving Gasol to the team that nearly had him in December, the Rockets.

Houston is dying to add a star, any star, and it will pay handsomely for one. In Houston, Gasol can return to the post (Mike Brown has him playing on the perimeter in L.A.), where he could give the Rockets a nice inside-outside punch with Kevin Martin. Morris could battle Jonny Flynn for backup minutes behind Goran Dragic.

As for the Lakers, this is just what the doctor ordered. While it doesn't make them the Western Conference favorites, it certainly gives them a significant and much-needed upgrade at point guard. One of the Lakers' biggest problems is their inabilty to contain quick point guards. Well, Lowry is a tough, gritty and quick point who has improved dramatically as an offensive player. The Lakers' already stout defense would improve in an instant, and Lowry also would add to the offense as another playmaker and creator.

And with Scola, the Lakers wouldn't lose one of their strengths -- their size. Bynum and Gasol are the best center-PF combo in the game, but Bynum and Scola wouldn't be much of a drop-off.

4. Memphis Grizzlies trade O.J. Mayo to the Cleveland Cavaliers for Daniel Gibson and Omri Casspi
Mayo is playing well off the bench for the Grizzlies, but the club essentially has been trying to move him for nearly two years. With his qualifying offer for next season at a hefty $7.4 million, Memphis isn't sure what it wants to do with him. Making this trade would save them a headache. Gibson gives them the 3-point shooting Mayo has provided, and then some -- Mayo is a career 38 percent shooter from behind the arc, while Gibson has shot 42 percent. He also is poised, playoff-tested and cheaper than Mayo. Casspi is young, long and fairly athletic. He'd add to their depth off the bench.

While Mayo has been a good soldier as a sixth man, his competitive juices have to be telling him he's a starter. Remember, he averaged 18 points per game during his first two seasons. Cleveland is set at the point guard position for years to come with Kyrie Irving, and putting a shooter like Mayo beside him would give the Cavs a strong backcourt for the foreseeable future. They'd be set at the guard spots and free to concentrate on improving their front line.

5. Detroit Pistons trade Tayshaun Prince to the Minnesota Timberwolves for Michael Beasley
Detroit is horrible and needs a major overhaul. They signed Prince to keep an asset, and turning him into the talented Beasley could end up being a coup. I know Beasley has his issues, but he's also got game, and with the way things are going in Detroit, it's worth the risk.

By adding Beasley, the Pistons would have a young nucleus of Brandon Knight, Ben Gordon, Beasley and the impressive Greg Monroe. It's not championship-caliber, but it has a chance of being better than what they have now. Joe Dumars once helped rejuvenate the careers of Billups and Ben Wallace. Maybe he can get through to Beasley, who after two trades would perhaps be a bit humbled.

For Minnesota, it clears out its congested small forward spot and gives Derrick Williams room to grow. The Timberwolves need to find out whether Williams can play the 3 full-time, and what better way than to move Beasley out of the way. In case you haven't noticed, Minny has done quite well without Beasley in the lineup, going 5-4 in the first nine games he missed due to injury.

[BasedTaylor]

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Sorry the last post is a little long. It's an ESPN Insider article so I couldn't just do the link directly. Anyways I know those trades probably won't happen (maybe the Beasley one) they still seem to make a lot of sense to me and I think they all seem like they make enough sense to do on NBA 2k if you're just playing for fun... dunno, just throwin em out there. Almost forgot, I would probably throw a pick in from LA in the Houston deal.

[go_vikes]

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Aha... I did not know that, thank you. I will add him to my list of "Overseas Players". I don't think Kirilenko is a good fit for the Clippers.... looking at the other SF's in the Free Agent Pool...Joey Graham (69), Jamario Moon (66) and Al Thornton (64). Who do you think is the best fit for the Clippers??

IMO, Wilson Chandler would be the best replacement because if the Clippers have any of the SF's you mentioned starting, they are getting a major downgrade over Butler. Chandler would provide a slashing threat that they desperately need; plus he can knock down at least a 3 per game and play solid D.

IRL, he'll be back latest early/mid-March, but if you don't want to sign him to the Clippers, you should look at a trade for someone such as Trevor Ariza, Tayshaun Prince, Stephen Jackson, or CJ Miles.

I'm the Bulls. Kicking around ways to get Mayo. Was thinking of CJ Watson and a 1st rounder pick for Mayo.

Watson and Jimmy Butler for Mayo?

Which seems more fair?

The Bulls shouldn't swap a PG for a SG, then there would be a massive time share between Korver, Rip, Brewer, and Mayo. Plus neither of the trades are fair.

Something interesting is the fact that the Bulls own the Bobcats lottery protected 1st round pick (top 14 protected in 2012, top 12 protected in 2013, top 10 protected in 2014, top 8 protected in 2015, unprotected in 2016).

I think a fair trade would be Ronnie Brewer, and the Bobcats 1st rounder for Mayo. Just remember to write down somewhere that the Grizz have the Bobcats pick.

[MattGarza13]

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Do you guys do development drills or send your players to the camps at the end of the season? Also how many game seasons do you guys play?

[zay916]

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^ I don't do development drills but i do training camp. i run 82 gm season. I sim most of the games tho.

[DarthRambo]

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Do you guys do development drills or send your players to the camps at the end of the season? Also how many game seasons do you guys play?

I don't mess with the development drills, but I plan to do training camps for every team at the end of the season for players I feel would benefit the team.

I decided to play 40% of the season and sim 60% which equaled out to be 33 games played. I mapped out those 33 games to play in order to get a variety of teams played. I'm down to only 15gms left to play overall...It's nice to have it mapped out so the 33 games are spread out over the course of the season.

[MillerTime89]

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How do you guys handle Free Agency? I can't seem to grasp how to do it with a 30 team Association without advancing the days while getting in and out of the menus.

[qpc123]

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Sorry the last post is a little long. It's an ESPN Insider article so I couldn't just do the link directly. Anyways I know those trades probably won't happen (maybe the Beasley one) they still seem to make a lot of sense to me and I think they all seem like they make enough sense to do on NBA 2k if you're just playing for fun... dunno, just throwin em out there. Almost forgot, I would probably throw a pick in from LA in the Houston deal.

Thanks for posting that, I think I'm going to use it.

In my current association the Magic are terrible, the Nets set about 9th in the east, Lakers are in 7th or 8th in the West(they have been playing better lately though), Clippers are something like 3-11. I will probably use a random number generate set 1-5 and whichever comes up I'll make that move.

[DarthRambo]

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How do you guys handle Free Agency? I can't seem to grasp how to do it with a 30 team Association without advancing the days while getting in and out of the menus.

You're going to have to set out ahead of time who will be resigning and how much for(making sure the team can afford them first). And then edit the player's contract manually during the regular season. And then when you have your list of actual FA's I plan to give a # to the teams in the picture to sign him, and let random.org decide the team he goes to. Here are some examples Dpauley and I have come up with for players resigning and their contract #s:


Lou Williams(we assume he declines his option)- 3yrs + 1 team option; Year 1: 7.38mil, Year 2: 7.73mil, Year 3: 8.08mil, Year 4: 8.44mil(team option)

Tracy McGrady- 1yr/1mil

Eric Gordon- 4yrs + 1 player option/68mil; Year 1: 12.98mil, Year 2: 13.60mil, Year 3: 14.21mil, Year 4: 14.83mil, Year 5: 15.45mil(player option)

Devin Ebanks- 3yrs; Year 1: 2.33mil, Year 2: 2.44mil, Year 3: 2.55mil


Easy way to find the contract #s...once you decide on the contract amount, go to "contract extensions" in the menu and find a player who "Will re-sign". Pull up the negotiation screen, set it to what you want for the player resigning and write down the salaries for every year.

What we did was since the new cba rules have contracts set for 7% back instead of the 10% back type they have on the game, we chose 5% types for the sake of making it complicated. You can do whatever you want, but remember....no team can go over 80mil in total salary, which is why I feel 5% is better compared to 10. And 5% is closer to the real-life 7% anyway lol.

[Comduklakis]

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Finally found a solution to get Granger to my Clippers.

Clippers get: Danny Granger and Austin Daye
Pacers get: Ben Gordon, Charlie Villanueva, Eric Bledsoe, Randy Foye and 1st pick 2013 ( from LAC )
Pistons get: Mo Williams, Dahntay Jones, Jeff Foster, Terrico White and 2nd pick 2012 ( from Pacers, who are doing a very bad season for now ).

Seems not fair for the Pistons but it really is though, they have now three pick for the 2012 draft, and also before this trade they were 8M$ over the salary cap, after the trade they are 9M$ under the cap.
Clippers have now a strong 5, but the bench is very limited, only one player over 70 ovr. Pacers still have a solid 5 and solid bench, hope this will help them to improve their season because they only are 13th in the East for now.

Did some modifications regarding position so the new starting 5 are

LAC: Paul/Butler/Granger/Griffin/Jordan ( sixth man is Billups )

PAC: Collison/B.Gordon/George/West/Hibbert ( sixth man is Hansbrough )

PIS: Mo Williams/Stuckey/Prince/Maxiell/Monroe ( sixth man is Jones ).

What you think ?

Has anyone come up with any realistic and fair trades that get the Pistons out from under Charlie Villanueva? Not a fan of the one listed above. The last thing the Pistons need is another shoot first point, much less one that isn't that young.

[DarthRambo]

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Has anyone come up with any realistic and fair trades that get the Pistons out from under Charlie Villanueva? Not a fan of the one listed above. The last thing the Pistons need is another shoot first point, much less one that isn't that young.

Why don't you just use amnesty on him??? That's what I did! He'll be gone after the season. No one is going to take him in a trade Im sorry to tell ya lol.

[zay916]

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Yo swaggercoach, if a player improves with your system, should i raise his touches tendency?

[zay916]

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Cousins and Evans for Rondo? The celtics already got rid of KG, and are about to let ray allen walk. They can't keep rondo happy since they got upset by NJ in the playoffs.

[Altimus]

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I don't think going to Sacramento is going to keep Rondo happy either. lol